$40,000 donated to Crawford Peace House to pay the Mortgage !!!

[ben frank]

Donations given to the Crawford Peace House are going to be used to pay of the mortgage!

from the Orlando Sentinel: "In one week, the house has amassed enough money to pay off its $40,000 mortgage."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0815-03.htm


Doesn't this seem wrong? That money be going towards the immediate cause, not paying off their house.

Is anyone else outraged by this? Think of what that $40,000 could have bought... it could buy tents for free housing, busses from a dozen cities, some could be used to hire locals to work at the camp (make locals happy)... but paying off the mortgage?

[FreedomAngel82]

1. I think it depends

on who the money was donated to. Was it donated to the Peace House or to Cindy Sheehan? If it was to the Peace House themselves they have the right to use the money as they see fit I think.

[anarchy1999]

79. CONFIRMED! RUMORS and BS! REMARKS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

I just got off the phone with Johnny, his response tell them to "go get a life". I suggested something else but he stuck with that message.

All donations are going to supporting Cindy in her efforts. What he said was "enough had come in the last few days to pay off the mortgage.", not that he was going to.

Thank you one and all.

Please make this clear to everyone making this new round of BS an issue, please remember everyone, we are under attack in amazingly new ways.

[ben frank]

106. Great news that they're not going to do that!

Hey that's great that this was BS. My intention was not to disgrace the Peace House but to stop what I saw as a travesty. I merely wished to make this public and stop them from misusing the $40,000 dollars. Cointelpro is real, and one of their tactics is to dilute the message, another is to siphon money away from true progressive causes.


fyi - there was also this post on the Peace House forum

Finance update PEACE HOUSE PAID OFF!
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/496

maybe this was a freeper trying to piss people off and i took the bait. oops. But if that were the case then all the people bashing me would actually be siding with the freeper... hmmm.


and re: Grady- no, not me (- ;

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[ben frank]

111. Note that Johnny from the Peace House was offended by the idea

that they'd pay off the mortgage.

...........

hey - if someone asked you what Cindy's all about, what do you tell them? where to you send them for info?

how about this collection of her quotes?
http://www.benfrank.net/crawford/quotes.html


folks- if you want to end this corruption NOW - then I'm with you.

if you want to ride out the next three and a half years... then i suggest you don't grasp the gravity of the situation.

[merh]

114. Trying to divide people by alleging misuse of monies raised

is not helping the cause - it is being negative and disruptive. We understand the gravity of the situation, I think others do too and that is why they try to create problems and question the efforts of others.

As I said, the money I gave can be used as the folks at the Peace House see fit.

[tyedyeto]

126. Haven't we heard this before?

From those who stalked Andy? The freepers are out in force again to destroy any good will amongst progressives.

I really don't care what the Peace House does with my $20 as it was given in good faith for whatever they feel necessary.

[merh]

141. exactly the same script - exactly the same tactics.

I gave them the money, it is theirs to what they want with it.

:pals:

[Generic Other]

133. Advice from the Peace House

The organizers associated with the Peace House URGE US ALL to not to engage anti-Sheehan protesters in any way. Do not debate them. Do not respond to them.
One word. IGNORE.

Important: INFO FOR PROTESTERS GOING TO CRAWFORD AND IN SUPPORT.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4373748

[merh]

140. This attack is similar to the attack on Andy, I couldn't ignore it.

Matter of fact, the script is almost identical to posts maligning Andy. You can rest assured, if I ever get to go to Crawford, I will ignore them there. I won't ignore them here.

:hi:

[Generic Other]

146. Not that crap again.

Rightwingers are sooo transparent. This whole thread should be locked for being unture as Anarchy has pointed out.

[merh]

148. We have alerted.

I guess the mods don't think it should be locked.
And yes, the op shoulds like he likes to pretend to be a progressive that is only concerned with progressive causes. But, as is the norm with the script, he uses false information to agrue his case.

:hi:

[BeTheChange]

151. Why is this guy definately a freeper?

Because he doesnt have alot of posts and because he dared to ask this question? My husband as well as others I met at Camp Casey and I have been talking about this question for days, but I dared not ask it on DU because alot of people around here have gotten so irrational when it comes to all things Cindy it is unreal.


Im strongly in support of Cindy, but this mentality around here has gotten absolutely insane. People are allowed to ask questions, ya know? They are allowed to state their opinions. Atleast they should be.

And perhaps some people dont agree with the way certain things are being handled. It doesnt make them freepers, it makes them people with opinions that just might differ from yours.

have any of you been to the OP's site? http://www.benfrank.net/crawford/

Pretty freaking elaborate for a freeper.

You guys seem to think that if any discussion is had, it somehow negates or destroys Cindy's whole effort... Do you really think that the republican dittoheads arent going to ask these questions? Do you really think just circling our wagons and sticking our fingers in our ears is going to miraculously make them go away? Maybe.. but most likely not.

So make 9 million posts about how its cool if they used the money to pay off the mortgage.. but stop attacking people and being so paranoid that you think everyone is out to get you, setting some type of trap to ensnare Cindy supporters in and destroy the cause..

[Garth Beaumont]

149. You got the bull by the balls

squeeze!

[jsamuel]

112. If you are trying to fight corruption, THEN THIS IS THE PLACE TO BE

WELCOME!

[LoZoccolo]

117. COINTELPRO?

Another one of their techniques was to get people into squabbles.

[evilqueen]

129. travesty? get real

Did anyone put limits on what their donations could be used for? Did anyone say they're not going to donate if not used for "such-n-such"? Besides which, the Peace House has bills to pay and they ARE giving their resources (man power, electricity, water, food, phone lines, internet connections, etc.) in support of this protest.

Why should anyone be expecting to have any "say so" whatsoever over which expenses donations are spent on? Do most people have the expectation to be able to tell other charities not to spend donations on buildings, research, or staff salaries? I don't think so.

[Garth Beaumont]

150. Jimmeny Cricket,

you answed yourself!

[Garbo 2004]

130. Cool. I suspected that was the case. I think they were floored by the amts

of funds being donated and the support coming their way in terms of volunteers and equipment. Saying there was enough to pay off the mortgage was not the same as saying that they were going to do so.

At any rate, hope there are/will be sufficient funds to support Cindy's current efforts in Crawford as well as take care of the Peace House's short and long term needs.

[anarchy1999]

132. If any of you knew Johnny as I do this thread would have ended long ago.

I'm in tears for this shit! It is just not fair. But then I was always told life isn't fair.

Johnny, Hadi, Kay and everyone else involved with the Peace Movement in North Texas are some of the most wonderful, honest, upstanding people any of you would ever want to know.

This thread should have died when I posted at #79. When is enough enough? How long do we get to "eat each other". Can we focus on what is really important, yet?

Come on, DU, I'm counting on you all.

Thanks and I'm going to bed. See you all in the am. I hope this thread is over soon.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. No

The Crawford Peace House is there and will be there for a long time. They have plenty of volunteers right now, and donations are still pouring in.

[anarchy1999]

131. Where did you ever get there are "plenty of volunteers"? Are you there?

I've not heard such and a mighty weekend is coming. From who and what do you speak?

[rzemanfl]

3. Calm down, if it were a Republican organization, they would

declare a bonus for all their executives and administrative staff.

[Junkdrawer]

16. Bingo. Imagine if the staff used the money to pay themselves...

living wages!

:eyes:

[Gman]

21. Actually, they would funnel it through a few more dummy organizations

to Tom Delay and then to GOP candidates for Congress next year.

[ultraist]

56. What Republican paid their wife 500k out of campaign donations?

[rzemanfl]

61. Thought it was a daughter, DeLay's???? n/t

[walldude]

91. Actually it was BOTH!

The daughter and the wife. Nepotism at it's finest.

[KoKo]

113. Hey....Delay and Abramoff with Rove's Help would have paid the Mortgage

bought Cindy a Lexus, Paid a Farmer to build her a permanent house next to Bush Pig Farm, paid her divorce costs, had at least three spokespersons ranting about Cindy on CNN/MSNBC and Faux and given her free college tuition for her children.

What do you want...we Dems are poor but for the "most part" DO TRY to be honest.. :shrug: Anything Cindy needs for food, water and health and personal services is being provided. It's important to keep a "Peace Center" in Crawford given that the "Emperor" has three more years to keep visiting his former "Pig Farm."

It's going to be a long haul with this. If Crawfor Peace House can become a place of "Resistance" against Bush where former Vets and their Relatives can come to make their views known, it's a WONDERFUL THING.

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[moddemny]

135. I agree......

paying off the mortgage is not a big deal.

[Daphne08]

5. Not outraged a bit. They have been very supportive of

Cindy Sheehan and they've been in Crawford for a long time.

[mondo joe]

6. No outrage here. I donated to Peace House. It's up to them to decide

how to spend it.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Exactly

That's how I see it. I'm sure tons of donations are coming in. I have read that people from Italy have sent money and stuff!

[Boomer]

8. What's your problem?

The Peace House was established before Camp Casey and will continue after Cindy Sheehan has left. It's an ongoing mission that could definitely benefit from having its location paid for. Not only does it lower the short term monthly budget, but over time it will save thousands of dollars in interest.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. I think being solvent is probably the number 1 concern.

Big step in moving into the big leagues.

You know, your argument reminds me of how the right-wingers tore down Clinton for shooting a $60,000 missile and hitting a tent in the desert. You know what? I think that argument was a poor attempt to muddy up the waters. I wish now we had hit more tents in Afghanistan back in the 90s, instead of spending 70 million hunting down a properly elected president.

[Horse with no Name]

10. I think it is awesome

It gives room for dissent in Crawford, especially since the residents are trying to make it a no-protest zone.
Even if I can't make it to Crawford while Cindy is there, I plan on volunteering to spruce up the place.
I think it is a noble cause. I surely don't see a problem with it.

[jean]

48. A noble cause - now you're talking, Crawford Peace House is the real deal

[librechik]

78. yes, I think it's great too! They should start a think tank now!

They are a permanent liberal outpost--Cindy will haveno shortage of supporters now, but the Peace House is worthy indeed!

[ThomWV]

11. Hell No I'm Not Outraged

In fact it gives me a sense of national civic pride to know that so many good people have come together to do this good thing. Now it has a life greater than this instant and the good that is done there will more likely go on after Bush has returned to his mischief in Washington.

[davidinalameda]

12. paying off the mortgage is probably the most important thing

they can do

they'll have a permanent home; won't have to worry about losing the place to the bank

they can worry now about fundraising for other things

[Horse with no Name]

47. Especially if the bank did something unsavory

oh..like sell the note to some right wing organization who in turn does something mean and nasty (their trademark) like calling the note due and payable and the Crawford Peace House be lost. I would hate to see something like this happen to such a worthwhile cause.
By all means...PLEASE pay it off!

[davidinalameda]

88. exactly

it's hard to tell what the bank could be forced to do by patrons, stockholders, etc

[Lars39]

13. And you've donated how much to the Crawford Peace House?

The generosity of people trying to make a difference just seems to fly up some peoples noses.
As long as dubya is in office there will be a need for the Crawford Peace House.

[war-hater-joe]

65. where

Where do you donate at

[Garbo 2004]

80. Link to crawford peacehouse web site

http://www.crawfordpeacehouse.org/index.html

[John Q. Citizen]

14. I think it sounds very right. This allows the peace house to put all

there resources into their work, instead of paying interest and principle for the next x amount of years.

Camp Casey is there until the end of Aug, the need to work for peace is a long range project.

I won't second guess the people on the ground making the decisions.

[Raksha]

Why would anyone be outraged?

I think that's a great use for the donations. It puts Peace House on a secure financial footing and the money they were spending on their mortgage payments can now be put to work supporting their causes. Not very long ago, they couldn't even pay their phone bill! I think it's wonderful news.

[GOPisEvil]

15. Now this means they can stay and be a constant thorn in W's side.

Sooooooo...take your hit and run shit elsewhere...

[yorkiemommie1]

37. right. 2008 is still a long ways off

sad to say. Unless, unless....

in any case, an outpost close to Mordor is necessary and now that the mortgage is paid the place is in secure hands. Bushcovites won't be able to screw w/ the mortgage or try some other dastardly deed. ( i wouldn't be able to think of one, but then I don't have a criminal mind. )

[eridani]

119. So, should we start callling it Minas Ithil?

Where would Minas Tirith be, then?

[silverweb]

17. What's it to you?

I'm sure there's some kind of board of directors or panel or group managing things for both the Peach House and Cindy's encampment, and I'm sure that group has reasons and methods for applying donations in the most effective manner.

You and I are not part of that governing body, nor are we privy to their financial details, nor is it any of our business. If you're afraid they might not apply funds in a way you approve, don't send them anything.

Geez. Some people. :eyes:

[pecwae]

18. It makes perfect sense

The House needn't worry about that recurring bill again. This helps ensure their survival. Bless 'em.

[Richard Steele]

19. That $$$ was donated to THEM. So it doesn't seem wrong at all.

[smartvoter]

20. I think it's a smart move, frankly. It ensures it will be here. nt

[mod mom]

22. This is what you waste your first post on? nt

[mike_c]

24. I'm not the least outraged-- now they can continue their work...

...without having mortgage payments hanging over their heads. This facilitates the work they do for peace and justice. I think it's fantastic!

[warrens]

25. That doesn't say they're going to pay off the mortgage

But putting a permanent place right near Smirk to haunt him all through his retirement seems like a good use of funds. Some people have never seen a half-full glass....

[SoCalDem]

34. He will sell the pig-farm when he's done torturing the US

It's a prop..and a clever way to host foreign leaders (the ones he likes) without the prying eyes of DC.. There havbe been many "secret" meeting there. the press is carefully stashed at a DIFFERENT location, and only trotted out when *² wants a photo-op..

The pigfarm suits his 'good-ole-boy' down-home cowboy act, but once he's out of office, he'll be rolling in dough and will most likely relocate to a more comfy setting.

[sickinohio]

62. Although - I'm sure the chimpster

won't be at the pig farm after his pResidency is over in our WH. Afterall, he's not a real rancher. He only bought the place when the rePukes decided to run him as the pResident to make him look like "just a normal guy"!!

[LisaM]

26. No, of course it doesn't seem wrong. What do you mean, hire locals?

Hire locals to work at the camp?

As I'm sure you know, the Peace House has been giving people sleeping space, providing water, bathrooms, kitchen facilities, parking, you name it. Which is probably why you don't want their mortgage paid off.

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28. I donated and am honored to have

the Peace House to have cleared their mortgage with my help. They are the ones that have accepted Cindy and others , and have been a wonderful host for her and her guest. What is your problem, with that?

[Rose Siding]

29. I think that's a very appropriate use for the money

The Peace House is an important place and it was really struggling. From everything I've read, the people there have been gracious and welcoming hosts to visitors, not just recently, but for years.

[patdem]

30. NO...using the money for one time purchases is not the same as investing

in the long term...the Crawford Peace House is a long term project...Cindy Sheehan of Camp Casey is for the month of August..do you invest your money in short term profits..or long term projects?

[Pithy Cherub]

31. So What!

[Desertrose]

32. Makes perfect sense to me....

is someone upset there is now a permanent base and that someone can't buy it out from under them maybe...hmmm????

[WilliamPitt]

33. Oh Jesus Baldheaded Christ

:eyes:

[GOPisEvil]

43. Hey - Jesus was white and had long hair.

Where the hell were YOU in CCD?

[Generic Other]

69. and a trailer hitch.

[helderheid]

72. that's a new one!

[KyndCulture]

35. they can use my 3 donations for whatever they want...

this is smart IMO.

[MissB]

36. Sounds good to me.

Paying off the mortgage helps to insure the long term future of the Peace House.

[Suich]

38. Huh?

:popcorn:

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[Sapphire Blue]

40. I'm absolutely delighted! The donations are pouring in!

[jsamuel]

41. Seems like paying off the mortgage is a good idea. It allows for permanent

occupation of Crawford.

[tavalon]

136. Yup

I sent my money free and clear, to do with as they see fit. I don't give a good goddamn if they decide to spend the money on the biggest lobster dinner ever, I really don't. When I give to a cause, I give freely and I don't worry about what they do with it.

That said, a group as fine and upstanding as the Crawford Peace House will use the money appropriately, whatever that appropriate choice happens to be.

[anarchy1999]

42. This is ended right now. I've put in a call and more info will be forth

coming ASAP. This is not my understanding at all and this is just one
idgit journalist reporting what he knows nothing of.

This needs to stop. This is disinfo and the Crawford Peace House and the founders do nothing but good.

Welcome bf, to DU with reservations, where did you hear about DU?

Peace

[ultraist]

60. It's right on their website. They are clear about where donations go

http://www.crawfordpeacehouse.org/membership.html

Join the Peace House!

Your donation goes to cover the mortgage payment, utilities (Green Mountain Energy), phone, future web expenses, ongoing improvements and house maintenance, promotional items, signs/banners and other rally items, food and drinks for events, advertising & office supplies

Their mortgage is likely one of their biggest expenses. It's a smart move to pay it off and avoid having to pay all of that interest. The money, that would have gone to interest, can now be used to support the Peace movement.

[anarchy1999]

83. That page you show has been there for the last 2 and 1/2 years.

Watch yourself carefully, there are alot of moms here.

A woman scorned is not half as bad as a mother hen protecting her brood.

Thank you and peace,
anarchy1999

I just hate it when my friends get disparaged.

[ultraist]

89. Umm.. I think you misinterpreted my post

I'm a mom too and VERY SUPPORTIVE of Cindy and the Peace House. My point was that they offer full disclosure of their donations and there is nothing wrong with them using donations to pay the mortgage. In fact, it's a smart move, as I wrote below.

[AuntPatsy]

122. I hear that, one can't help being vigilant these days, some are getting

antsy it seems and are willing to throw anything out there..

[blm]

44. It's going to be a long three and a 1/2 years. We NEED them throughout

the duration.

Protesting Bush's war policy doesn't end when Cindy leaves.

[rzemanfl]

45. Remember what the Red Cross did with the 9/11 money? n/t

[Raster]

46. "outraged," huh? no, the only thing that outrages me right now is you

bucko. Got any more talking points you want to grace us with?

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[Q]

50. No...

...it doesn't seem wrong.

Wrong would describe this thread.

[bowens43]

51. Are you fucking kidding?? It's wonderful!!!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

52. That's wonderful news!

I had no idea they'd gotten enough to pay off the mortgage already. :woohoo:


Oh, and why in the world would I be outraged? I was outraged when I found out they'd had their utilities cut off in the past and when I heard of all the struggles they've had to endure, but not over this bit of wonderful news.

[Zenlitened]

53. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Funniest post of the day! :rofl:

[peacetalksforall]

54. Hey Ben... all Presidents have a home away from the White House.*

For decades into the future, Crawford will be a destination known as the President's Summer and Winter Home (even if he sells the place).

And right there in the midst of it is the Peace House. Hopefully, the Peace House won't be sold. Hopefully, it will be maintained.

This was/is an impromptu peace effort. It is terrific that the effort can be commemmorated with something permanent.

[Cattledog]

55. If you're so outraged

get your ass down there and do something productive.

[sickinohio]

57. Ummmm - in a word

NO

[Child_Of_Isis]

58. Just think....for all of us who donated,

we now have a home away from home. Wouldn't it be cool if we had them in every state?

[Lisa]

59. that's great! If I'd known that they were under mortgage stress...

... I'd have given them a bigger check when I donated last year. Also, I didn't know until the Cindy Sheehan coverage started that they were so low on cash that they couldn't cover their phone and electricity bills. I guess they figured their donors were giving their max and didn't want to squeeze them. (There are plenty of other charities which do not hesitate to ask for more money -- these people are shy and retiring, by comparison!)

I'm glad that they won't have mortgage payments hanging over their heads, and can now focus on supporting Cindy and planning other peace and education events. Given what's happened at other non-profits I know, I wouldn't be surprised if the organizers had been spending their grocery and rent money on mortgage payments. That kind of thing is extremely stressful on an organization, and it can't be kept up for long. Imagine what might have happened if the bank lowered the boom and shut them down, just as thousands of people were converging on the place? It would have been total chaos. It's good to know that their future is now somewhat secure.

[China_cat]

63. Paying off the mortgage is the best thing they could do

with the money. This way, no RW banker can pull it out from under them because they're 20 minutes late with a payment, they save all that interest that they would have had to pay and money coming in now can go for all these things without having to worry about the roof over their heads.

[ultraist]

67. It's a smart move financially too

Which saved them thousands of dollars in interest payments. Consider, most notes are around 5-8% interest rates, with 30 year terms. That's $3500 for the first year in interest on a 54k note. Amortize that over the course (the remaining 29 years) of the note and the savings is HUGE by paying it off.

Glad to see whoever is handling the finances at the Crawford Peace House, knows what they are doing!

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[The_Casual_Observer]

66. This is the kind of stupid meritless shit that I have seen elsewhere

I can't wait to see your next topic, if you last that long.

[ultraist]

68. Hit and run?

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

71. It's been almost an hour since we've heard from him.

Mmmmmmmmmmaybe.

[Raster]

73. I'm sure ben will drop another nugget and retreat as before.

It's a pattern thing.

[emdee]

70. When someone gives a "donation"....

they either say exactly what they want their money used for or they actually want the recipient to use it in the manner that it deems.

Obviously, in this case, either the donors said "put it on the mortgage" or else they said nothing.

Did you specify with your donation as to where you'd like for it to go?

emdee

[Booster]

74. I donated to the Crawford Peace House and I don't have a

problem with it. Just means they will have more to work with since they won't have the mortgage payment.

[LoZoccolo]

76. I know; would he rather have them pay interest on a loan?

I wouldn't.

[Canuckistanian]

75. With Mellon Scaife giving away $millions to RW causes?

$40,000 is a pittance. Every little bit helps the cause. And just at the right time.

Camp Casey doesn't need wheelbarrows full of cash. People there are making a sacrifice and are glad to do it.

Permanent institutions do need the cash, though.

[Tinoire]

77. You rushed all the way over to DU to announce this?

"This ointment ought to have been sold and the money given to the poor."

John 12:8

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[insane_cratic_gal]

99. Are you kidding me! Freepers

donations bought Jim (owner of Freeperland) a brand new handicapped van!

Also allow me to be vindictive for a min.

this is the freeper budget.. taken off of clownposse(found a link to them here once during the whole freep-athon thingy)

Q1 2005 Summary

Receipts $54,514.12
Monthlies $11,166.65

Est. Recurring Monthly Contributions $11,167.00

Monthly Expenses


Bandwidth and Collocation $2,700
System Administration and $4,000
Programming
Administrative $7,500
Legal and Accounting $500
Bank Fees, Credit Card Fees,
Processing Fees $800
Equip, Maintenance and Repairs $300
Insurance, Office Expenses,
Telephone, ISP, Supplies, Misc. $1,000

Total $17,600.00


Est. Monthly Shortfall ($6,433.00)

there is a lot more where that came from.

But how dare they say anything about where 40G goes, when they keep getting rapped over and over by their Demi God Jim.

http://clownposse.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3328

[H2O Man]

82. They shouldn't be

buying ointment to wash his feet. Is that what you are saying?

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85. All you have to do is meet the people of the Crawford Peace House

to know that they're not in it for the money. These are hands down some of the most wonderful people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting and until it can be proved, I won't doubt that the money donated is going to Cindy Sheehan's cause.

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[ultraist]

90. Is Grady one of the despicable, filthy pigs who trashed Andy?

And tried to discredit our efforts?

They're jealous because WE CAN raise 40k plus in a matter of days for a worthy cause.

[merh]

93. Yep - that's the same guy and the same tactics.

When we raised $50k for Andy it scared the shit out of them. They are terrified of our grass roots efforts and they are trying to discredit the Crawford Peace House and the people that run it in the same manner they did Andy. The big difference was, Andy was too sick to be able to defend himself -- Crawford Peace House is a group of committed patriots and progressives.

They hate us for our love and dedication to our cause. We have 'em worried.

[ultraist]

98. Good. I'm glad they are shakin' in their boots

I'm honored to have donated to Andy's fundraiser!

And you all did an AMAZING job running that fundraiser.

[merh]

104. Our grass roots efforts scare the hell out of them --

Thank you for your kind words and your donation. :hug:

[troubleinwinter]

103. Yes, we might as well get used to it. We frightened them badly

...with our strength, generosity and caring.

They will attempt to disrupt and sew doubts in all of our fundraising.

We SCARED them! They see our power in joining together to support action.

There is a concerted effort to sew discord wherever we fundraise to give financial support to important efforts.

[ben frank]

87. manufacturing consent

i believe that's what this thread can be described as, readers with the ability to reason can reach their own conclusions. note the repeated character assassination- do you treat all new posters this way?

Of course paying off the mortgage is best for the Peace House, but what is best for the movement?

Do you remember the Ukranian Revolution last November? They had big numbers by now, they had a fully functioning tent city- which is what that $40,000 should have gone towards.

This talk about a "long three and a half-years" - impeach NOW- that's what the $40,000 is for. Cindy said Bush is "about to be fired" - that and ending the war NOW- not digging in for the long haul.

All over the net people have been asking 'how do we donate to Cindy' and they are directed to the Peace House. I have not once seen anyone ask, how do I donate to the Peace House?

All over this board I have seen DUers hurting for cash, even asking each other for gas money. How many more DUers would head to Crawford if free busses were offered, like the right wingers who brought people last Saturday?

[troubleinwinter]

92. Oh, helllllo...

I rekon Peace House can use funds donated to them as they see fit.

Might want to read post #79, not that it matters to you.

Why would YOU want to dictate use of funds, hmmm?

Successful fundraising by progressives is quite a concern, isn't it?

I am off to the Peace House site to Paypal some money as a thanks for your concern.

[H2O Man]

94. Then saith one of

his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, "Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?"

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."
-- John 12: 4-6

[merh]

100. Perfect passage from the Gospel, H2O.

I am afraid that the xitians don't know about the New Testament, which is quite odd given the fact that they profess to be disciples of Christ.

:hug:

[H2O Man]

105. Well

I suppose if I told you that it was an accident that I posted it there, you would be suspicious. Long gone are the days when I might hope to fool you. And long gone are the days when someone could pass misinformation by you, too.

[merh]

109. LOL - you are right, I would not believe that the post was an

accident. Nothing you post is ever an accident. I'm not sure about my skills relative to discerning misinformation, but I am learning. ;-)

:loveya:

[ultraist]

96. Get real, Ben.

Your being a newbie has nothing to do with the responses. The responses address your RW talking point in your OP.

You have no basis to criticize the Crawford Peace House. They are doing a fantastic job. If you haven't noticed, the Camp Casey event, that they are largely hosting, is a SMASHING SUCCESS!

[fishnfla]

97. manufacturing news

you misinterpreted the report, they raised enough money to pay off the mortgage, but didn't use it for that.
It was an example. Dont trust the Orlando Sentinal, ever.

[jbnow]

101. No, not all new posters are treated this way,

just all really stupid posts.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

102. As you can see by post #79

Your outrage was misplaced.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4371660&mesg_id=4372629

There's no reason for you to continue to try to stir this pot.

I'm going to alert the mods and ask that this thread be closed since your OP was not true.

[LoZoccolo]

115. Ask me again why I have over three hundred people on ignore.

Yeah, we do have to manage our resources. Including our time.

[BeTheChange]

121. No, Im not outraged...

And Im glad to see anarchy posted that this was BS, because frankly it has been bothering me a little. Ill be honest and say it. It's obviously not popular around here to question anything related to this... but I'd feel remiss if I wasnt honest about something that has been causing me some concern. And Ive spent the last 2 weekends there. Im not from free republic.

It doesnt bother me that they would pay their mortgage off if that money is left when all of this is said and done. I dont care if they spend it on a vacation. I dont care if they wall paper the place with it. I just hoped that no large checks like that would be cut prior to the conclusion of this, as I think it would be better kept in reserve for a legal fund, bail money etc.. until we atleast make sure this town meeting is gonna go okay.. if not till Cindy leaves Crawford. Bail for 100 people can get a little expensive and honestly, that is more important to me when it comes to THIS event which is the reason all of the donations were sent.

The people at the peace house are great, but I do want to say one thing, and Ive been saying it since day one. If you go to www.gsfp.org you will see that they are also asking for donations. I choose to donate to them for a few reasons.

1.) Cindy lost her job because of the absenses fighting this battle. Doing what she does would make it rather difficult to hold down a 9-5.

2.) That other stuff that is going on that everyone jumps down your throat if you mention. I'd like to know that after this is said and done, Cindy still has the means to take this fight to Washington and beyond.

3.) I didnt see anyone work as hard as Cindy. I swear that she must have huged and shook the hand of 90% of the people there. She did not get sick of it, she didnt tire. And I know that without the peace house, without any of us, it would be her that was sitting there in a ditch, alone of need be, demanding answers.

In anycase, this post is not meant to ruffle feathers.. but honestly my main concern, priority and support is to Cindy and her message and the future of that message.

[stepnw1f]

95. Nice Try...(nt)

[merh]

107. Will your next post be about the money that DUers donate to

DU?

Just wondering - we have raised quite a good bit since we began the other day. Hmmm, that other place really has trouble with its fund raising I have heard. :freak:

[Stephanie]

110. oh ben, ben, ben

you're TRYING too hard

[LoZoccolo]

116. Ben Frank, you are so money! (In a liberal sense.)

You're so money and you don't even know it! You are the man as far as being liberal, matter of fact you are so liberal that you are progressive and you shouldn't even call yourself liberal, but progressive instead! And even then you are more progressive than most other progressives, so you are on the left edge of progressives, and even more left than all of those!

Please let us know from time to time, when you have spare time from being progressive, how we also can be more money (again, in a liberal sense). You. are. the. man. The progressive man.

You the man!

As a matter of fact, I should say you are the person, but you should correct me first before I do that, because you are the person!

[AuntPatsy]

124. That was really cute, I actually laughed outloud though the constant

attempts to keep people from donating to worthy causes is getting pretty old, its rather simple, if you can't donate dont, if you can, by all means please do, and again if you cannot donate money, time is just as valuable for every worthy cause...

[benburch]

118. Hello, Anonymous Army!

So nice to see you back here at DU.

[evilqueen]

134. LOL!

Mr. Burch,

How very perceptive of you. My thought exactly!

[benburch]

137. I call them as I see them...

And I have some technical means that assist me in drawing that inference.

[evilqueen]

138. I don't have the technical means...

not HERE anyway, but I do have an Irish sense of what some might call "intuition" (although I wouldn't call it that).

*grins*

[KyndCulture]

152. Damn I knew I smelled something....

Hey AA did ya call Rosa Parks yet to confirm Truthout's story? Or are ya onto this for your holy crusade now?

[Orangepeel]

120. I think that would be a great idea.

:shrug:

They are using a lot of resources to support the camp, and they could use the money they'd save on interest.

[Maat]

123. I donated to the Crawford Peace House ..

and they may use the money as they see fit.

They have provided shelter for Cindy, critical shelter.

I'll donate to Goldstar Moms too!

[Rainscents]

125. So WHAT!?!?!?

I'm glad Crawford Peace House now have over $90,000.00 in the bank as of today, this is after all they spent money on foods, waters, potter Potty cleaning, etc...
If they paid their mortgage off few days ago... GOOD for THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW; Since you pisst me off with this tread, I am going to donate again!!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

127. On Malloy, Cindy said the Peace House raised $90,000 and having

donated, I am not upset in the least if they pay off the mortgage. As I understand, they have been doing yeoman's work.

[benburch]

128. Cool!

I was at a Democratic Party meeting here tonight, and convinced almost everybody there to go home and give to the Peace House.

I want them to have a War Chest of a half-million or so by the end of August!

[Generic Other]

139. This info is a LIE See post at top of thread

CONFIRMED! RUMORS and BS! REMARKS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

[anarchy1999]

142. Are you confused or am I? Ben Burch is one of the good guys.

Generic, yes a large sum of money in donations has come in, I have no idea what that amount is. Whatever it is, it is not paying off the mortgage on the Peace House. That is the lie.

I've got to go to bed.

See you all in the morning.

[Generic Other]

143. No I was warning him that the OP was a lie.

Sorry. I meant the original post is meant to create dissension and be ugly. It was succeeding until you came. and revealed the facts. Thanks you so much.

[Name removed]

145. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[benburch]

147. Ah... I just misunderstood!

And, I would NOT have been offended had they paid off the Peace House!

I would have considered that to be a great use of the money.

So, when this current effort is over, I will send them a donation specifically FOR paying off the mortgage.

[tavalon]

144. What a great idea !

I'm going right over to donate more money.

[KyndCulture]

153. me too! good plan.

Guess the ruse backfired.. didn't it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

154. The article say they amassed enough money

to pay off their mortgage. You are taking it out of context and twisting that to mean they ARE paying off their mortgage, which is apparently not true.

Next time, before you start more nasty rumors, please be more careful. Now all we can do is try to put out the fire that you started. Thanks.

[Moderator]

155. Locking...

This started as a rumor and it
appears that this has been explained.


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