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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:42 AM
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A suggestion for those opposed to the war as politicians express regret
for their votes in favor of the IWR.

FORGIVE THEM!!!!!

This accomplishes a few things:

1) It takes the moral high ground for the anti-war activists as we demonstrate TRUE compassion.

2) It serves to get politicians on board with the anti-war movement sweeping the nation now.

3) It opens up a base of support for more politicians to express regret over their IWR votes, thus gaining more political support for the anti-war effort.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:47 AM
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1. When they go visit Cindy or give her support, I'll forgive them.
When the chips were on the table, they didn't do their job as an opposition party should. Democrats have the NeoCons the wiggle-room to kill thousands of people.

The very least they can do is visit Cindy and apologize.

Note: The Congressional Black caucus have redeemed themselves 100-fold in my eyes.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:49 AM
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2. Only if they are willing to visit all the families of the fallen soldiers
killed in the name of bu$h with a sincere apology and explanation as to why their loved one was sent into harms way for an illegal war.
Only then should they be forgiven.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:52 AM
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3. As much as I hate to admit it. I agree.
An opening has to be created for them.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:56 AM
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4. Precisely. If there is nothing to be gained from denouncing the prior
position, they will not denounce it.

Breaux has given the anti-war movement an opening. We need to seize the moment to take the moral high ground and show what true compassion is.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:58 AM
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5. And it demonstrates that we approve of *learning*.
When you get more information, and you learn from it, it opens up the possibility of changing your mind.

Bush is a poster-boy of how poor performance is a result of a failure to recognize new information and change your course based on new information.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:59 AM
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6. Agreed
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 12:00 PM by sepia_steel
to continue to be sefish (harboring anger) instead of focusing on change makes us our own worst enemy. No offense, I'm angry with all of them, too, but we have to get past that - ask ourselves, "What's more important?"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:00 PM
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7. Forgive? No. Forget? No. Praise them for their honesty? Maybe.
There's far, far, too much blood on their hands.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:02 PM
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8. Forgive? YES! Forget? Nope.
Forgiveness is the first step to reconciliation and healing.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:09 PM
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9. It's pretty hard to "heal" thousands of dead people.
I'm all for reconciliation, but these cowards valued their political ambitions above people's lives. I'm not about to forgive Bush or his political allies for the horrors they've inflicted.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:00 PM
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11. And without these guys, the war continues to drag on
Sorry, but the political reality is it will take these guys to get us out of Iraq.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:11 PM
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12. With these guys the war drags on.
Kerry, Lieberman, Hillary, Bayh, Biden, etc, still support the war and even call for more troops to "accomplish the mission". The mission being to save their sorry politician asses.

If they really want to make amends for their collaboration in the slaughter, let them introduce legislation to end the funding of the occupation.

Not that I expect any of them to do anything other than blow with the political winds no matter what it may cost in lives just as they did when they voted for the war.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:36 PM
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10. Forget it. Political opportunists saying whatever needs to be said
in the interests of their career.


Forgiveness from me, an antiwar activist does most certainly NOT get them on board with the antiwar movement that's *cough* sweeping the nation now. The ONLY thing that can get them on board with the antiwar movement is JOINING IT. Joining it by repeatedly denouncing it & attending antiwar protests as have done brave politicians like Cynthia McKinney.

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a self-serving "I'm sorry" to get them forgiven for this obscenity.


No forgiveness. No, no, and hell no. Not until they have apologized to the Iraqi people and done SERIOUS PENANCE.

You know what regret would be Walt? Regret would be not only apologizing for the war against Iraq but actively working with the antiwar movement to stop the war against Iran. And yet not a damn peep. Hollow, self-serving words merit NO FORGIVENESS.


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