Votematch: Clark and Dean both scored equally as "moderate Dems"

[janekat]

Dean was just a "tiny" bit off to the left of Clark

Dean's Score
The candidate scored the following on the VoteMatch questions:
Personal Score 68%
Economic Score 33%


Clark's Score
The candidate scored the following on the VoteMatch questions:
Personal Score 68%
Economic Score 35%


Check it out at the bottom of the page:

http://www.issues2000.org/Howard_Dean.htm
Dean:
http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=1&a2=2&a3=1&a4=5&a8=1&a9=3&a10=5&a5=4&a6=4&a7=2&a14=4&a15=2&a16=4&a19=4&a17=3&a18=3&a20=1&a11=2&a12=2&a13=3&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=68&e=33&t=17



Clark:

http://www.issues2000.org/Wesley_Clark.htm

http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=2&a2=1&a3=1&a4=3&a8=2&a9=3&a10=3&a5=3&a6=5&a7=4&a14=5&a15=1&a16=2&a19=3&a17=3&a18=3&a20=1&a11=1&a12=5&a13=4&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=68&e=35&t=17

[boxster]

1. Counting down. Here the postings come. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

But, but, but, but...Clark just has to be a Republican.

He has to be.

It's a conspiracy.

He was a Republican 25 days ago.

He's really Rove wearing a Halloween mask.

He slept with W and Rumsfeld and Cheney.

Blah, blah.

:eyes:

Edit: yes, this was just about as unhelpful a response as would be possible, but I'm so tired of supporters acting like there are these enormous fundamental differences in the positions of the various candidates on the IMPORTANT issues.

Either of these guys would kick butt as president, and I'd vote for either in a heartbeat, as well as just about any other Democrat you want to put up against the current administration.

[mhr]

All of the Ugly Truth About Clark

can be found here:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles8/DVNS_Wesley-Clark.htm

Don't flame me, read it for yourself!

[boxster]

17. Perhaps you should read it yourself.

Many of the sources are right-wing wackos that I thought we were supposed to abhor.

[eileen_d]

2. It's the Coke-Pepsi Challenge!

Two flavors that are basically the same, except in the eyes of their die-hard supporters.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

yep

two great tastes that taste great together.

[boxster]

18. Great response.

Go Clark/Dean. Or Dean/Clark. Or Dick Clark. Or Clark bar. Or Dean of Education.

Something like that.

[Brian Sweat]

22. I like Coke and Pepsi.

I just like Coke a little more. I like Clark a little more also.

[boxster]

3. Nice job, janekat. It's nice to see that someone else

is actually looking at the issues and the stances the various candidates take on those issues.

I've spent a lot of time on that site since the last debate becoming more acquainted with all 10 candidates.

It's amazing how different each and every one of them is compared to Bush, et al. Obviously, that's the important thing here. In fact, I find myself looking at views of different Republicans and wonder how they can possibly feel that way!

[Julien Sorel]

4. You've made some fine posts.

This was another one :thumbsup:

[w4rma]

5. How does Issues2000.org have enough information to do the test for Clark?

He, himself, is not sure of exactly where he stands on many issues.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Clark has never cast a vote, or stood on any issue, other than

his unabashed support for Reagan and both Bushes. To this very day, Clark has yet to criticize Reagan or Reaganism, and despite his "johnny-come-lately" criticism of George W., Clark has yet to say a bad word about Poppy Bush.

[Renew Deal]

9. If Clark gets all the Reagan voters...

I think he will be OK.

[IndianaGreen]

11. You might as well rename the party the Repucratic Party

because you won't have any progressives left in it. You will be left with the angry white male militarist wing!

[boxster]

14. Ah, ignorance is bliss.

It is so much easier just to assume he has never voiced an opinion on an issue in his entire life than to actually spend 5 minutes holding off the candidate bashing and doing some actual research.

Nope, never made an opinion on anything. Not in the military. Not in a couple of years on CNN. Not in the debates. Not on his web site.

Please realize how ignorant that makes you sound.

[boxster]

12. Gee, maybe you should visit the site and see for yourself. n/t

[madaboutharry]

6. Clark

needs to get this out there. He needs to repond to Dean's questioning his "democratic credentials" with this very information. Clark also needs to point to this information as a way of bringing the base of the democratic party into his canpaign.

[Renew Deal]

8. Dean is closer to Authoritarian than Clark is. Dean must support the...

Patriot act. I always he knew he was a crypto-repuke swine.

[w4rma]

10. I hope that was sarcasm (n/t)

[Renew Deal]

13. maybe

:evilgrin:

[bitchkitty]

27. sarcasm or serious -

either way, some people just talk out of their ass.

[Sean Reynolds]

15. If you're gonna use Dean, use DK, Edwards, Kerry, Gep, Graham, etc....

Cause they too are all moderate liberals, some with a slight turn to being moderate liberal populace.

Just a thought.

[boxster]

16. I think the point was to blunt all of the talk

about how supposedly different these two are, in particular. Dean's supporters act like Clark is Satan incarnate, while Clark's supporters fight back with similarly goofy claims about Dean.

Oh, and to point out that Clark isn't the right-wing wacko many would have DU'ers believe.

[Sean Reynolds]

20. But also votesmart only uses quotes to make their balance.

No real stance on the issues....

[Jackhammer Jesus]

19. What say you, "Clark = Republican" crew?

Oops. I guess Dean's a Republican too.

:eyes:

[knight_of_the_star]

21. This is ridiculous

A perfectly sensible post is already starting to turn into another flame-fest! Why can't we be CIVIL to eachother for at least 5 MINUTES!

[RandomUser]

23. Tell the full story please: here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=428332&mesg_id=428332


Idiocy. This is a blatant lie, because he's only telling half the truth. Check the link to see the full story and how he's misrepresenting them as moderates. Compare them to the rest in the link.

Edit: according to the full analysis, Dean is a "moderate liberal" and Clark is a "populist-leaning liberal". The original poster omitted these facts.

[RandomUser]

24. Numbers are off too.

they're not both 68% on the personal scale.

[returnable]

25. Very interesting

Thanks for sharing :toast:

:kick:

[wyldwolf]

26. AHA! Vindication for those who hate Clark!

This proves Clark is a republican! He scores a whopping 3 percentage points to the right of Dean!