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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:18 PM
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CIA on covert status: "It's not up to the Republican Party to determine"
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 03:24 PM by Stephanie


Some juicy tidbits from the new TIME article:


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/25/rove.problem.tm.tm/index.html?section=cnn_latest



The Rove problem
By Nancy Gibbs
Monday, July 25, 2005; Posted: 11:02 a.m. EDT (15:02 GMT)

<snip>

According to sources close to the investigation, Fitzgerald seemed most interested in whether officials who stayed at the White House while the President was in Africa also had the <State Dept> memo that week, when the first known calls to reporters took place. Details of the memo, if not the memo itself, may have been shared with one or more White House officials well before Wilson's article appeared.

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From legal and political angles, it looks better if Administration officials were leakees, not leakers. If the blame for blowing the cover of a CIA officer can be spread around, so much the better. And it suggests the challenge that Fitzgerald may face in building a case. It is one thing if Rove happened to hear from a reporter that Plame was a CIA officer, casually confirmed that he had already heard that to another reporter (Novak) and incidentally spread the word to a third (Cooper). It's perhaps something else if Administration officials made an effort to gather information on Wilson, discovered that his wife was a CIA officer and carried out a strategy to discredit Wilson that included outing his wife to a number of reporters. It is still another thing to do the second and pretend, under oath, that you had done the first.


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But even if Rove skates past any legal trouble, that still leaves the question of means and ends. Although Democrats deplored what they viewed as an Administration attempt to silence its critics, to the intelligence community what mattered was that in the course of political warfare, a spy had been sacrificed. Plame was one of the rare operatives to become an NOC, that is, a CIA employee who operates under nonofficial cover. Such officers, who may pose as businesspeople or students, have no diplomatic immunity and so are much more vulnerable if caught spying. They often work abroad for U.S. companies that have secret agreements with the CIA to take them in as employees or for front companies the agency sets up. A former CIA station chief tells TIME that it can cost the agency anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million to establish an NOC overseas, depending on how deep and extensive the cover must be.

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But while she may no longer have been a clandestine operative, she was still under protected status. A U.S. official told TIME that Plame was indeed considered covert for the purposes of the Intelligence Identities Protection law. And even if the leak was not illegal, intelligence officials argue, it is not defensible. "I'm beyond disgusted," a CIA official said last week. I am especially angry about the b_______ explanations that she is not a covert agent. That is an official status, and there are lots of people in this building who are on that status. It's not up to the Republican Party to determine when that status will end for an agent."

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:20 PM
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1. Is it just me, or is it weird to find yourself defending the CIA? n/t
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:33 PM
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5. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Or something like that.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:21 PM
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12. That about sums it up
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:08 PM
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10. The CIA may be dastardly at times...
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 04:11 PM by YOY
but they sure as hell arn't stupid.

If anyone has access to data (and or personal experience) that shows Bush policies are making more enemies faster than we can kill them then it would be the CIA and other members of the intel family.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:07 PM
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19. This is not about defending the CIA
This is about doing what is right. Although many of us do not agree with some CIA policies, we would never out an agent to make our point. As truly moral and patriotic individuals, we would rely on more acceptable means of protest.

By outing Plame, Rove and possibly other members of the Bush administration were not discipling Plame for abuses committed by the CIA. Instead, they were outing Plame to punish her husband.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:23 PM
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2. Sounds like the CIA is at war with the bushies
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the CIA ends up bringing down this "administration". They are highly trained people and as such, probably should not be messed with. After all, they are trying to protect the country.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:27 PM
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3. Wilson implied that at the very beginning of all this
He talked about the career professionals who would do their jobs without a political agenda and that they would make sure this case was pursued. I thought then that he meant career professionals inside the CIA.

Listen, we at DU all know exactly how and when this admin has lied, cheated, stolen and screwed up. Do you think we're the only ones? Obviously not.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:29 PM
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14. I was last night
watching a little bit of the hearing the democrats had on all this Friday and one guy was telling how in the CIA you would find people who voted for George Bush (:shrug:) and people who voted for John Kerry and you'd find everybody from democrats and republicans to independents. They care about their jobs and what they do and serving their country.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:27 PM
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13. It does seem that way
Remember in December he purged the CIA with a bunch of "yes" people. Anybody who put the country and intelligence (real and true intelligence) about loyalty to Bush was fired. So it appears a lot of them are angry. It would be sweet justice for them to bring down Bush. I will enjoy every moment of it. I think Bush has fucked with the wrong people this time.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:29 PM
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4. But the Republican Party is no longer a "normal" political party
It is more like the monolithic authoritarian parties that ran 20th century dictatorships.

Looking at it this way, it makes perfect sense that the Republican Party should have the right to out NOC agents.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:36 PM
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6. Now GOTP (Grand Old Treason Party)
And they hate there country too.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:37 PM
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7. Where is Porter Goss?
I thought BushCo put him in charge of the CIA so that he could squelch any criticism that might come from inside the agency.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:39 PM
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8. How was he going to do that, anyway?
Sic Chertoff on 'em?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:52 PM
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9. I don't know how he would do it
any more than I understand how Republicans get away with 1/10thof what they get away with, but they do.

CIA leadership silencing CIA people doesn't seem like it would be that difficult.

Unless there is maybe alot more turmoil and contention in the agency that we've been led to believe.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:32 PM
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15. Last thing I had heard about Goss was...
... that he was upset because the Administration had made the decision to exclude him from the more important meetings on national security.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:20 PM
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11. kick
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:45 PM
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16. They bought a RW talking point, though....
That means Wilson was also shading the story: "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," he wrote in his 2004 book The Politics of Truth. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip." When asked last week by TIME if he still denies that she was the origin of his involvement in the trip, he avoided answering. But he has maintained all along that Administration officials conducted a "smear job" on him and outed his wife in revenge.


I will have to pull out the book when I get home, but I believe that he wrote, "other than acting as a conduit, Valerie had nothing to do with the matter." The RW talking points dropped out that first clause.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:41 PM
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20. Oh wow that is very, very skewed!
You should get that out to Time, Wilson, Conyers, Conason, Josh Marshall, Editor & Publisher.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:47 PM
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17. Redefining National Security for partisan revisionist interests
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:49 PM
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18. Johnny Wendell (progressivetalk) wants to start a V. Plame defense fund
to use to sue the crap out of these guys
in civil suits. Where do I send my money?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 06:54 PM
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24. Valerie & Joe Wilson
have the option of filing civil suits. In a recent tv appearance, he said they will wait until after the grand jury completes its work to decide. There will not be any need for a V. Plame defense fund: she will not be on the defensive.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:48 AM
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25. prosecution fund?
pay for their suits brought against the Bushcrimefamily?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:43 PM
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21. One thing I like
is Wilson predicting his book will do "very well" in the next three months.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:47 PM
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22. Yeah! Sounds like he knows the time-table!
GOD, this is getting good!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:52 PM
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23. Oh, it sure is.
This is the unfinished business of more than just Watergate and Iran-Contra coming to a head, right before our very eyes. This is history. To the extent that we right LTTE, or lobby or conressional representatives, we are participating in one of the most important chapters of American political history.

These are revolutionary times. Indeed, constitutionalists call what Nixon attempted the "imperial presidency," and what Bush is doing the "revolutionary presidency." We have the opportunity to fight his abuse of the federal system in a nonviolent manner, in a manner set out in that Bill of Rights that the Founding Fathers anticipated needing protections from the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and even a weasal like Rove.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:36 PM
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27. go get 'em!
:patriot:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:13 AM
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26. kick
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