I wonder could Karl Rove be playing us again?

[Prisonerohio]

Karl is a very smart guy, really. Remember the Bush AWOL from the National Guard deal. He played that so well that not only will the press never touch that subject again, but some of the best journalists where convinced to step down. He may be using this to convince the left to let the government bend the freedom press rules regarding anonymous sources. Once this door is opened it will never be closed again. Then once we get
info we want we find no convincing evidence. I am not saying Karl can't screw up. I am just saying lets be cautious.

[Lecky]

1. I think you are really giving Rove way too much credit here lol n/t

[More Than A Feeling]

2. Karl Rove is not a genius, just completely amoral

Pride goeth before the fall, and Rove has enough to choke a goat.

[mirandapriestly]

15. I agree, many people could be "successful" if they were absolutely

ruthless.

[mirandapriestly]

18. What gets me is repugs start repeating what his lawyer says

as if it WERE TRUE! Also the discrediting of Joe Wilson and wife, so predictable.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. It's all talking points

Raw Story has them up on their website.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. I agree

He's not a genius. Just watch "Bush's Brain" (or read the book) and you'll see he's not that great. There's too much hype around him where it isn't necessary. All he is is a bully who likes to do awful tricks on people he considers his "enemy" so the person who he's standing up for can have power and thus him have power.

[fishnfla]

3. I thought about this today; Why leak about the leak?

All it is one email let out, and the conjecture flies all over the fan. The white house clams up, lets the press spin out of control and lets Luskin spin the press on his own (his job, after all)

Meanwhile what does fitz have? and how long will it take to get 'er done?

and dsm falls in the memory hole and iraq is ignored

[Al-CIAda]

5. '...dsm falls in the memory hole and iraq is ignored'

This only happens if our alleged 'leaders' allow it to do so.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. A thorough investigation takes time

and I believe that this investigation has gone way past just the leak.

The DSM and this are both linked together. Fitzgerald could have enough evidence to go after this bunch for war crimes. Cooper testified today, so it seems things are moving right along.

Keep in mind Fitzgerald is no Ken Starr. He is not holding press conferences or leaking anything. All we know is what people who have testified have said, which is little. When this thing blows it's going to be big.

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Exactly

It seems to me as if Fitzegerald is taking this very seriously and he probably has a greater plan. Maybe he knows more then he's letting on. I think he's going after something bigger than just Rove. I think Rove is like a key through all this.

[Carla in Ca]

30. That is my thinking

In any investigation, other bits of information are learned and looked into. I think he has a lot to deal with. Earlier in another thread someone reminded us about the Saturday Night Massacre, Nixon's way of getting the Watergate prosecutor fired. We will see how this plays out.
I also agree with you that Rove is the key. Why else would he have been called to testify so many times?
Rove is smart, but he isn't perfect. I think he 'shopped' the forged * military files until he got someone to take the bait...Dan Rather.
Maybe we will find out he had done that before.
Jeez, I hope we find out soon!

[fishnfla]

38. Well thats kinda my point

-The investigation will take awhile(time for the memory hole to open)
-Fitz aint leaking nothing(so why the leak on the leak now?)
-Fitz may find more damaging info( but this initial cooper memo will be remembered first and most, and it is being talking pointed to mishmash)

My point boils down to the OP's original intent: whatever is going on now could be a diversion or smokescreen, or a blow softener for whats yet to come....

:shrug:

[NashVegas]

46. Exactly

Go back to the original email leak story of about two weeks ago. The author was _____ O'Donnell and he identified his sources, who told him the emails named Rove, as White House friendly. That ought to tell people something right there.

[rainy]

4. he is a psychopath without a heart. I just heard Randi R. say his

dad left his family on christmas day when Rove was 16, then his mom committed suicide. I do feel sorry for any child that this happens too. But, it could account for Roves heartless behavior.

[FlemingsGhost]

6. Someone's playing us ...

Trying, at least.

[Walt Starr]

40. Yup

It's fun to watch, though.

:popcorn:

[Bouncy Ball]

7. People give that motherfucker WAY too much credit.

Look, every single evil bastard in the history of humankind eventually goes TOO fucking far and all the conniving cleverness in the world won't save him once he has fallen out of favor in people's eyes.

And that's already happened for him with too many people, and it's happening with others at a colossal rate.

Et tu Brute?

[Just Me]

27. Agree. He's really just a ruthless asshole who thought he could,...

,...continue to get away with his barbaric tactics. It doesn't require a great deal of intelligence to act like a prick.

[MissB]

8. I guess we can all stop talking about it then.

:eyes:

[kittenpants]

9. I don't see how this could be of benefit to him.

He has already been harmed by admitting that he spoke with Cooper & this just draws more attention to the false claims about the yellow cake. I don't think the White House is too happy about this attention. Plus, Rove was already fired from poppy Bush's administration from leaking to Novak, so this is obviously the type of trick he likes to pull. I think he just got so full of himself after pulling so many off that he finally messed up. He may not go to jail or even get fired, but at least there is finally some attention on his scumbag tactics & the dishonesty of this administration.

[robertpaulsen]

10. FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME! SCOTUS SET THE PRECEDENT IN 1972!

I see you're new here, so if you haven't seen this before, here it is once again:

Finally, if the confidential information relates to criminal activity, the U.S. Supreme Court said in 1972 (in Branzburg vs. Hayes) that should a grand jury investigating the crime need the information, the journalist must turn it over — despite the freedom of the press guaranteed under the 1st Amendment.

No reporter can enter into an agreement that violates that law. Rather, an agreement of confidentiality is subject to it. The so-called news person's privilege, just like the attorney-client privilege or a president's executive privilege, is a qualified privilege. When a judge holds a reporter in contempt for violating the law, that judge is merely upholding the law of the land.

more...

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-sources6feb06,0,6080347.story?coll=la-sunday-commentary

There are no freedom of the press rules being bent at Rove's behest to undermine the left. Branzburg is the law of the land. That's why Judy Miller is in jail and why Rove is in hot water.

[StClone]

11. Dale Earnhardt I think of you

The best, in the best car, on a super safe track are still bound to the laws of physics and chance.

[Solly Mack]

12. and maybe he's being hoisted on his own petard?

Maybe his "background" manipulations are coming back to bite him in the ass...

[CatWoman]

13. I think DU gives Karl Rove too much credence, credibility

and credit.

[LSK]

20. Yes, remember that Bush needed 2 fixed elections IMO

Bush didnt really win either election IMO, so Rove is not the great genious.

And Asscroft lost to a dead guy in Missouri.

[Rex]

14. I'm beginning to think he is toast for the first time in 5 years.

The RW is in panic mode, just look at all the people trying to stop us from looking into Rovegate.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

17. "Once this door is opened

it can never be closed again
Then once we get info we want
we find no convincing evidence
I am not saying Karl can't screw up
I am just saying
lets be cautious."

<Chorus>
"Once this door is opened
it can never be closed again"

did you do song-writing in the 80's, I swear that's like a Peter Cetera song - or maybe it's Lita Ford? I can't quite put my finger on it! You're gonna be hugh someday!

[insane_cratic_gal]

19. Genius or Not even serial killers get caught

difference is they usually don't have BushCo backing them up.

I think he's caught redhanded.. I just think Bush's arrogance and bully tactics will get him out of it some how.

[seabeyond]

22. he wasnt smart in awol. the media bent over for him

they let him get away with it. rather, his bosses all let them get away with it. if media once stood up to the bullies, that would be the end. why we keep repeating the same thing over and over isnt because rove bushco is smart, it is because even as stupid as they are, they are geting away with it. big difference

are they getting anything by you. not me.

[damntexdem]

25. If he is, he blew it this time:

Plamegate/Rovegate has revived the media. As Jon Stewart put it on the Daily Show: "We have replaced the White House press corps with actual journalists." If brought back up in the right context, the DSM might also grab their attention -- as it is, it is mentioned that the Niger-uranium claim was part of "fixing the facts around the policy." And DeLaygate is still there, keeping its legs because of a grand jury, and that could again be news. So this time, if Rove tried playing us, he may have created the monster that will eat him and his little buddies.

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. The leak came from Bu$h's WH

and Bu$h could have avoided this whole thing by getting to the bottom of it himself and by firing whoever it was that was involved. Of course, he refused to do that and instead a NYT's reporter is now sitting in jail because the WH refuses to deal with what should have been an internal problem. I think there are others in the media who have finally had enough of the WH bs. If the WH won't protect and/or go to bat for someone like Judith Miller who was such a good cheerleader for them, then that doesn't say much for the rest of them. They now know that if the WH gets in trouble, anyone of them could be going to jail next.

[dogday]

26. I know everyone cannot believe this could happen

only because it has not. But it only takes one slip-up, just one, not a thousand, just one and this could be the one.

Think positively that the Grand Jury will do the right thing in this case and indict the Architect. He is only human,or at least I think he is human, he had to slip up one day, that day had to come, why not today?

[FreedomAngel82]

28. I also wanted to add

if that was true it would've happened at the very beginning so it wouldn't pop up again. Especially with all this other stuff coming out. So I don't think that's what's going on. Of course I could be wrong for all I know with these people.

[Snotcicles]

29. I think Fitz is after the big Kahuna.

I think Cheney is Judy Millers source.

[Zorbuddha]

43. I think Fitz is going where it leads him.

Which might include Cheney. Probably includes Cheney.

[raysr]

31. He's just like any criminal

they get away with so much shit for so long eventually they get overconvident and fuck-up!

[leftofthedial]

33. innoculation

bend over

[H2O Man]

34. ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

My side hurts from laughing!

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. He's just the snot-nosed brat who tells his bully goon friends

who to beat up on the playground.

He's NOT untouchable.

[halsaxby]

36. I've been thinking the same thing..

Maybe Karl is willing to take one for the team in order to permanently prevent leaks. He will in all likelihood get a wristslap for this.

[oasis]

37. Karl is just another empty headed piece of shit right winger with power

and financial resources to pay people off. Many idiots with access to money do the same thing, they're mostly called "assholes" rather than "brilliant strategists"..

[baby_mouse]

39. Um, landing himself in a criminal investigation just to make us look dumb?

Highly unlikely.

[Walt Starr]

41. BWAHAHAHAHA!

You are a HOOT!

This thread should be fun.

:popcorn:

[mmonk]

42. I don't think he can play Fitz

like he can the people and the press.

[MissB]

44. Gee, was this a hit-and-run?

The OP seems to have disappeared.

[Zorbuddha]

45. He's busy playing with Rove.

Could be.

???

[Prisonerohio]

47. Shit! I was talking about an idea I had to see what you guys thought of

it. If for some reason you guys where offended well I sure don't care. I am sorry I was not here to answer each of the individual trollish responses, but some of us work.

[Walt Starr]

50. WTF???

"trollish" responses?

Methinks thou dost protest too much!

[H2O Man]

51. I had thought

we were playing charades. Our team was laughing too hard to answer.

[msrbly]

48. Thank you for saying what I've been thinking

Something is fishy here. There is no doubt that Karl is a very smart guy. Smarter than everyone else? Probably not but something is not right here. Notice how the DSMs have slipped from the headlines. If Karl is fired nothing will change. He will just open up a private consulting firm and continue to advise the whitehouse. We are being distracted.

The whitehouse is benefiting from this. The focus is off the DSMs and Iraq (and North Korea and Iran for that matter). The focus is on one person who I believe sees himself as invincible (and politically, he probably is).

Just keep in the back of your minds that we've been played before and it could happen again.

[HughBeaumont]

49. Karl's success depended entirely on

a giant quantity of rubes who share the same brain. And once the voting populace is evened out just enough to rule out a clear-cut winner, Republican-run Diebold and ESS took over. Not genius. Just a well-connectioned dirty trickster.

[fishnfla]

52. "they knew it was coming"

read this quote from d.gregory, especially the next to last paragraph

I'm gonna say it again: the email about the leak was leaked for some reason

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8542532/#050714

[dogday]

53. This is not a political strategy on Karl's Part

What does he have to gain by even insinuating that he is involved? His credibility is shot to sh*t and the public believes he did this. He did something, make no mistake about it. He may not get jail time, but he must certainly be fired.

[Prisonerohio]

54. What if the reason they are leaking this now is because the administration

has advance knowledge of upcoming events that are so big that they know they can bury the whole deal. Now there is a scary thought. Realize I am not a big believer in conspiracy theorys, but with this administration you can expect about anything.