So still no word about what happens to Air America Radio on Monday?

[Nickster]

It drives me nuts that I have no idea come Monday what is going on with Air America come Monday. The Chicago AM outlet has Randi on tape delay so they can run Ed Schultz and Mike Malloy doesn't play at all because the station goes off the air at sundown. Sirius won't carry any of AAR, so I'm SOL there. AND XM still has a chopped up version of the AAR lineup. All I hear are rumours that XM will have the unadulterated lineup, but no facts. WTF is going on and why is it so frigging hard to hear Randi and Mike??

/Rant:mad:

[rucky]

1. We've got some local guy in Malloy's slot in Cinnci

he's alright, though. he knows his facts and has some smart callers.

[kikiek]

2. I called Sirius today. They said they haven't been advised by AAR

when the programming will be stopped. They feel they will be on for a couple more months at least. They will be replacing AAR with simliair programming on the same level. I am ticked though. I let AAR know that they are losing listeners in this household. Do they think of the money it would cost to switch?

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Thank you

that is wonderful news. I was so depressed last week when Randi was on vacation. I thought I would never hear her again. Well, at least not for awhile.

Sirius seems like a great company. When I talked to them back in April, they were as angry as I was to hear that AAR was going to XM exclusively.

[kikiek]

54. They lied to me. AAR is off. Can you believe that?

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. I was mad until

I listened for about 5 minutes this morning. The host's name was Alex something. He was awesome. Then this afternoon I listened to Ed Schultz and I loved him.

So it will be okay. AAR screwed us Sirius listeners but it is their loss, not ours.

[Rosco T.]

3. AT THE PRESENT TIME, XM carries ALL but 2 hours of the AAR lineup..

.. that is hardly 'chopped up'.

Yes, it's missing the 1st 2 hours of Randi.
Yes, the have Malloy on a tape delay.
But they do carry them.

How many OTA stations carry the weekend shows? (Just finished listening to Mother Jones and now Politically Direct).

Things will change. I've heard more than a few things in the works, but don't feel comfortable saying as 'facts'.

But some data points -

- XM has gotten a PILE of complaints about missing Randi, and the delayed Malloy.
- XM has gotten even a BIGGER pile of complaints about Colmes.
- Ed Schultz has a lot of support (like him or not, he's another voice from a different angle) from his listeners.
- Ed Schultz CAN NOT STAND being thought of as part of Air America, it makes him nuts.
- Ed Schultz is planning on expanding his show to 4 hours.
- Stephanie Miller is also with Jones Radio (distributors of Schultz)
- XM/AAR are going to make a big deal about XM being the 'official home' of AAR. You don't have an OFFICIAL HOME with two house guests and one person being only partly there.
- XM has a vacant channel right next to AAR 167 (168 is empty), but about 2 weeks ago BRIEFLY lit up for about 10 minutes with the tag AMERICA LEFT.
- AAR/XM Listeners are familar with Thom Hartmann from his fill in's on Randi's show
- AAR/XM Listeners just got familiar with "The Young Turks" by their filling with for Laura Flanders.
- Neither AAR nor XM are stupid.
- Were I Sirius, I would have a clamp on AAR that if they opened their mouth about going to XM exclusively while they were still on the air, they would get yanked off IMMEDIATELY.

Connect the dots.

[Nickster]

4. Sorry, but running Mike at 1am is not good enough for me, I want him at

his regular slot. Playing him at the early dawn hours is not good enough. Running Randi after I'm out of the car is not good enough, 2 hours 4 hours whatever. Play them at their regular slots is what I want, not some pseudo liberal talkers at prime listening times.

I don't want to connect any dang dots, I'll drive myself crazy doing that, just be straightforward and tell me what the heck is going on. Why is that so hard for either sirius or xm? Heck, maybe sirius has something much better waiting for me and I'll just stick with them.

It's just damn frustrating.

[Rosco T.]

5. For either XM or SIRIUS, your subscription gives you leave to listen..

.. to the shows.

It does not make you programming manager.

"not good enought" - fine, but whe it comes off Sirius is 'not at all' acceptable?

[Nickster]

9. Sorry, thought my subscription fees paid to have liberal talk programming

that I could listen to conveniently in my car. Alan Colmes is not a liberal and Ed Schultz is not a liberal, if I want to hear their programming, I'll start listening to Talk Right or Patriot radio.


If they don't want to run programming that people like me want to listen to, then f-em. That's all I'm saying. Air America runs their shows in a certain format live and every outlet I have to listen other than the web stream is chopped up and twisted around. That makes me frustrated since I've been listening in my truck just fine since they went to Sirius. Now I'm SOL. Is it ok that I'm frustrated about not having a decent source for news and facts?

[Rosco T.]

15. yes it did... but not necessarly YOUR choice of programming

nor your defination of 'liberal'...

[Nickster]

18. Yeah, I got that. I don't like it and it disappoints me, thus my ranting.

About my only choice at this point is podcasting when I'm away from the puter.

[Rosco T.]

19. Might I humbly suggest you take advantage of the $20 Roady2 offer??

for $20 you can get an XM, get a month-to-month sub and WHEN things turn around on the AAR situation (note, I said WHEN, not IF), you're in business. If not, you can sell a used Roady2 package for well more than the $20 bucks..

deal linked here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4057815&mesg_id=4057815

[Nickster]

20. I already got in on that. I was hedging my bet that they would turn it

around and play it live. I'm not as positive as you are about that happening, but I figure 20 bucks is not that big of a loss.

[Rosco T.]

22. Wise Man :) and I have reasons to be positive...

.. I spent 20 years in the broadcasting business and have 'ears'. Things are afoot, but timing is an issue and contracts get in the way...

[Nickster]

23. Well I certainly hope so. Time will tell. In the meantime, I will send

emails to Big Ed congratulating him on joining the Air America family.:evilgrin:

[Rosco T.]

27. (chuckle) evil man... I like your style :) n/m

[kikiek]

6. I agree. My year long fee to Sirius is due and I don't want to pay it.

[madfloridian]

8. You can go by the month.

That is what we are doing with Sirius for now. Until we make up our minds.

[kikiek]

11. Thanks.I will be doing that also.

[bermudat]

45. Be careful. Sirius renewed my subscription without my notice.

I used a credit card to get Sirius and the yearlong subscription in 2004. This month I saw it had been renewed on my credit card bill, and I never had received a notice.

[XOKCowboy]

10. Sirius has spoken..

They're more interested in paying BIG BUCKS for Howard and Martha Stewart. They had a chance to pony up and help AAR and blew it.

I applaud XM for stepping up to the plate. I believe it shows why XM is far and away the largest satellite radio provider.

Stick with Sirius and quitcherbitchin'.

[Nickster]

17. But I like bitchin.....:-P

[Touchdown]

49. Got a link, or just...

[stevedeshazer]

12. Thanks for the information

I'm lucky enough to have a 50,000 watt on-the-air AM station that carries AAR's lineup nearly intact, although they stick Ed Schultz in the middle of the day and delay Randi's show.

They carry Malloy's show but delay it three hours, but West Coasters like me have to live with that.

[Rob_G]

37. KTLK? n/t

[stevedeshazer]

53. KPOJ

http://www.620kpoj.com/main.html

[Touchdown]

48. Young Turks are Sirius talk hosts.

Their show is exclusively on SiriusLeft. If Sirius is not allowed to not carry anything in the AAR lineup, watch them not cover for Laura's next vacation.

You are either an XM salesman or an ovezealous fanboy, and you need to cool it. You don't know what kind of schedule Xm will have. You don't know what Sirius has in their pockets. You don't know that Sirius is BANNED from carrying ANY AAR programming. All you have is speculation and a call for people to fork over yet more money in Bush's "recovery".

And... The Roady is a piece of shit. All plug and play recievers eventually get connection problems throgh wiring wear and audio dropouts. It's the nature of the product. I've had a JVC plug and play for a year and it's sporatic at best in the car. Easily susceptible to the heat in the car. At home, it's fine...for now. To have reliable Sat service in the car, you need onne made for the car, as in a head unit.

[Rosco T.]

51. No, Young Turks are NOT EXCLUSIVELY SIRIUS TALK HOSTS...

Try checking their website www.youngturk.com

The Young Turks air on Sirius Satellite Radio, on Sirius Left 143, Monday through Friday from 6 - 9 pm ET.

LIVE INTERNET STREAMING: 6pm ET, www.radiopower.org (accessible also through itunes). Rebroadcast Tuesday - Friday 10am ET.

On the www.radiopower.org website, you have to hit POWER UP, then click Progressive Talk Radio then click on the player you prefer to launch the streaming audio.

On itunes, by going to the Progressive Talk channel. You can get to RadioPower.org through itunes, by clicking on Talk Radio and Progressive Radio.

The Young Turks also airs on KFH 1240 AM / 98.7 FM in Wichita, KS from 7 - 9 pm local time; and on WURP The Edge 1550 AM in Pittsburgh, PA Saturday and Sunday afternoons.

You can listen to mp3 archives of the show through this website.

Second... I spent 20 years in the broadcasting/recording business, I think I know a little more than you about how programming/contracts work...

Third... the Roady2 is one of the best 'plug/play' units out there.. the BUILT IN FM TRANSMITTER cuts down on the wiring and it works very well, just because you got suckered into a piece of crap JVC units does not give you ANY information/experience with the XM equipment.

You're the one coming off like an "overzelous fanboy" or Sternhead, can't tell which..

oh, and before you start on the bovine stuff "Bush's Recovery", check on www.buyblue.org.... Sirus is a "Light Red" company :D

[Rosco T.]

52. oh, and no one said jack shite about Sirus being BANNED from carrying AAR.

.. but here's a screen shot of AAR Affiliates page from earlier today... tells the whole story...

[Touchdown]

56. You just don't get it.

NOBODY here is listening to you. Nobody wants your service. Nobody cares how much you evangelize. You have an answer for everything, which means you've been schooled in the art of the salespitch...repeat the pitch until they wear down and open their wallets. You've said your peace. We get it, you really like XM, and selling XM is VERY important to you. You're tiresome and a waste of time. Quit invading every AAR/Sat radio thread that comes around.

BTW: I've worked in consumer & business electronics for 20 years, and the Roady2 hasn't the time on the market for a complete quality build history, and Delphi hasn't a stellar reputation in this area...unlike JVC which has a long history of quality products dating back 70 years. It's the connections that are the problem, the wiring is only a secondary trouble.

Also...I don't give a shit about Stern. I care about my pocketbook. I'll quit Sat radio entirely and go back to having an extra $12 a month.

Geez, get the hint. :eyes:

[madfloridian]

7. Here is an email I got on June 14. The offer, so-called.

Dear Loyal Air America Radio Listeners:

As you are aware, beginning July 11th, Air America Radio will broadcast exclusively with XM Satellite Radio. This partnership is giving us an extra leg to stand on, allows us to develop more programming, and moves us forward into the future with a strong foundation.

We recognize that this change has inconvenienced you. We greatly value your support for Air America Radio and would like to offer you a special promotion from Air America Radio and XM Radio, which we intend to send out next week.

Thank you very much for expressing your concerns to us, for your patience during this time of transition, and most important of all, for your continued support for Air America Radio.

Kind regards,

Air America Radio

(The offer was lousy)

[Rosco T.]

14. This is a much better deal (but is only good for this weekend..)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4057815&mesg_id=4057815

[cascadiance]

26. This deal is a joke...

I saw it and immediately went to mysimon.com and found some better deals on the web through other wholesale dealers. XM is offering me NOTHING to move off of Sirius other than trying to say I can't have AAR any more on Sirius. They should first have the "complete deal" on the table before asking me to switch where I don't just have *rumours* that they will add another channel. I want a concrete description of the new lineups before I would even think of switching.

And secondly, if I'm coaxed to buy any new equipment, I will only want to buy something that lets me get *BOTH* services (one or the other or both). That would be something like Alpine instead of the crap they were offering me. At least if they were to offer Alpine it would be like giving us a "waranttee" that if we didn't like what we got, we could switch back and get Sirius if we like.

It doesn't surprise me that perhaps the deal on Monday won't be forced yet on Sirius. I'm guessing that with this *hustle* for this exclusive deal, that neither company yet has set up the meat and potatoes as to what they want to offer in their final new lineups for their new offerings. Perhaps there's some mutual agreement that Sirius can continue to offer Air America until XM is prepared to offer a new lineup of two channels. And I'm guessing Sirius is conscious of that as well and is looking to shore up it's two channels as well. When one of them gets done, I suspect we'll hear announcements from both of them, and then the end will come for AAR on Sirius.

I'm inclined to stick with Sirius. Not only because I don't have any more added equipment costs, but also because I get KLSD here in San Diego which will get me much of Air America anyway, and therefore I could wind up with *more* choices by sticking with Sirius and having two additional left channels in addition to what's on KLSD and on KGO in the evenings (can't pick up their signal during the day).

Here's a link to what I would propose as a decent set of possibilities for lineups for Sirius. Look at these and think about what they might offer you (or perhaps other variants of this) before you commit to buying one or the other. Don't have the weekend lineups, but I suspect that will be where a lot of tape delays are anyway.

http://miken.best.vwh.net/talkradio/newlineups.html

[Name removed]

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[cascadiance]

29. Does XM have Mike Malloy and Randi fully LIVE at this point?

NO PRODUCT! NO DEAL! PERIOD!

They can take a hike! I'm not going to be hustled on a deal when the chips aren't down yet. I'm not ready to drop Thom Hartmann and others for an "illusion" at this point.

[Rosco T.]

30. Nose, meet Spite... cut off to prove nothing.... n/m

[cascadiance]

31. So Rosco P. Coltrane...

What do I get by switching to XM, huh? Me personally that is, who can listen to KLSD to get Al Franken and other Air America content (albeit not the same timing, etc. as before). What is it that I gain to justify me throwing away Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, The Young Turks, Alex Bennett, NPR talk, NFL football broadcasts, etc. If you look at my link, asides from timing of shows, I would only gain an hour of the Majority Report, 2 hours of delayed Mike Malloy and an hour of Rachel Madow in the middle of the morning which I probably wouldn't tune into anyway. If I *really* wanted those few hours, I could podcast them instead. So what else am I getting sir, asides from a bill for a new product to get installed on my car and throwing away my Sirius services? As I said, the deal for me (any deal at this point with a deadline before real product is offered) is a joke!

[Rosco T.]

32. Some people are being smart enought not to 'throw away' anything...

.. with the cheap $20 deal on the Roady2 this weekend, you could have both for a while to see how things shake out. With NO PROGRAMMING COMMITMENT on the Roady2 deal, you could go month-to-month and see what happens...

and if it dosent shake out how you like.. you can sure sell a Roady2 package on eBay for more than $20 later...

[Rob_G]

38. God, dude...

...do you work for XM or something???

[Rosco T.]

39. You see any referral links in my posts??

God Dude... do you work for Sirius???

[Rob_G]

36. schedule for REAL LIBERAL TALK!! ARR!!!!

I love your schedule idea. I get KTLK, and I rarely listen to AAR live--- it's not like I call in. If Sirius were serious about three hours of Thom Hartmann, and they got the KGO guys, then hell yeah, I'd stick with Sirius.

But what I think is really going to happen is they're just going to kill 144, stick with their lineup on Sirius Left 143, and allege the fiction that OutQ 149 (LGBT radio) is the other liberal station. (It's not. It's a specific-interest station, and the shows are kind of lame.) I've noticed in their promotions that they have been emphasizing the liberal content of OutQ 149.

I also think their sudden promotion of Sirius Left 143 as "Real Liberal Talk Radio" is pretty funny, when they have faux-liberals like Alan Colmes, conservative Dems like Ed Schulz, and the generally incoherent Lynn "I can't be bothered to talk about politics on a liberal station" Samuels taking up nine hours a day.

[kikiek]

55. I agree. If they got Hartmann and rid of Samuels and Colmes even

I'd stay.

[Sterling]

13. Can you still listen online?

?

[Rosco T.]

16. oh yeah... but the cord is a bitch to reach your car while moving...

[Zinfandel]

21. I'm going to keep Sirius until AAR is no longer on. AAR is playing now!

I WON'T LISTEN TO THE MODERATE ASSHOLE ED SCHULTZ, NOR DOUG STEPHENS, WALL STREET REPORT, OR ALLAN COLMES ON SIRIUS "LEFT" (WHAT A JOKE!)

ALTHOUGH ALEX BENNETT IS GETTING MORE OF MY RESPECT AS A TRUE PROGRESSIVE.

NO ONE BEATS THOM HARTMANN, LYNN SAMUELS IS AMUSING AND EVEN HIT HARD...STEPHNIE MILLER, SOUNDS GREAT FROM HER SIRIUS ADS, BUT I'VE NEVER LISTENED TO HER.

IF SIRIUS LOSES AAR MY BIG COMPLAINT WOULD BE LOSING THE WONDERFUL AND KICK ASS AND FUNNY RANDI RHODES AND THE GREAT MIKE MALLOY, AS WELL AS SOME GREAT WEEK-END PEOPLE ON AAR.

[linazelle]

24. You mean the local stations won't air AAR anymore either?!!!

I thought it was just the satellite feed that was in question. If this is true, it drastically reduced their audience. I am not rushing out to buy XM. Something's very fishy about this "deal".

From the outset there have been attempts to sabotage AAR. This seems like another one, and then the "press" will finally be able to claim that nobody wants to listen to a liberal network once the rating drop predictably. Wow.

[Rosco T.]

25. the local stations are not affected... at all.. n/m

[roguevalley]

33. use the online feed on the internet. I do everyday even though we

get it.

[Dee625]

34. I'm stuck with Sirius for now

Somehow I missed the memo that AAR was moving, so I got my husband the Sirius for father's day Took the $50 rebate if we got a 6 month subscription. So I can't afford to switch now.

I e-mailed AAR about how they were dumping listeners like myself who purchsed Sirius with AAR in mind and are stuck.

Their response? Nothing. Not even a "sorry that you were so dumb as to do that". We live in an area where none of AAR is available by broadcast radio, so I guess my husband will just have to have enjoyed the programming for the month he had it.

[Nickster]

40. Yeah I didn't get any response from them either. It aggravates

me that they didn't even think I was worth a canned message, but hopefully enough of us complaining perked up their ears a bit if nothing else.

[MODemocrat]

35. Mike said that he, Kathy and Molly are headed to Florida,

He said there would be re-runs of his favorite shows, but I wonder what is really going on with AAR.:shrug: :shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Anyone with XM know where the XM satellite is in Illinois, Chicago area?

North, South, East or West? Sirius satellite is North West here, but I'd like to know where I would have to aim my antennae...this could be a problem if it's South, South East. :(

[Rosco T.]

42. XM Has TWO satellite's...

Named ROCK and ROLL, one parked on the east coast, one parked on the west coast. You just point toward the SOUTH and it takes care of the rest (unlike Sirius that has constantly moving sat's and the radios have to keep trying to find the new one as the old one comes into view...)

Here's a picture to explain it....

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Ruh Roh...South isn't going to work well for me, I don't think.

We live in a condo. 4 units connected and we are the Northern unit. all my windows face East, West and North. At the South we have MANY, MANY walls to go through. Is that gonna be a problem? Or will I not have to worry about the walls? :scared: I REALLY, REALLY don't want to have to mount this on my roof. :(

Yeah, we lose the Sirius satellite mostly on cloudy days or during storms. Now I see why.

[Rosco T.]

44. Where are you? XM has a LOT of ground repeaters.... and...

you might have luck with the east/west windows...

that's one reason the $20 Roady deal is good for today, for $20 you can get it, hook it up, check the signal and if it's a no go, put it on eBay and get double you money back (since there's no programming commitment and no rebate to muck with, it's a no brainer).

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. I'm in Illinois, just South of Chicago. n/t

[Rosco T.]

47. Hmm... well, the least risk option I can say is...

go for the $20 Roady2 offer, you can check the signal strength before activating. Since there's no programming contract you can just re-sell it if you can't get a signal easily (or put it in the car..)

[drbtg1]

58. XM's description of AAR

from XM's web site:

"Get your daily marching orders from Air America Radio's talented and opinionated on-air personalities"

daily marching orders?

Anyone else offended by this?

http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=167

[RandiFan1290]

59. I have noticed a few

of those shots taken at Randi by her home station 1290 WJNO here in West Palm Beach. They have a Rush spot that says something cheesy like, "Get it right from Rush at noon." Then they say, "Randi Rhodes, the truth as she sees it." Another Randi commercial has a radio guy talking about listener mail and starts reading a letter about Randi. It is basically a nut job calling Randi anti-American and the rest is bleeps. Then the announcer thanks him for listening. I get the joke. I just thought they would have a little more respect for Randi since she has been paying their bills for years.

As far as the Sirus/XM deal. I was real excited to get AA and Howard on Sirus. Then I heard about the scheduling problems and decided against it. I have no use for either until they get a decent portable/walkman radio. So I will wait. I can listen to 940 out of Miami and then Randi on WJNO. I usually listen to Randi online since WJNO has those terrible soft breaks (traffic/weather) and they do not play the last 10 minutes of Randi's show each night.