the greens candidate impressed me most

[dudeness]

having just watched the "debate"..I came out feeling that the "greens" certainly have a future in your political system..I see that as a positive in a democratic society..

[Girlfriday]

1. I agree

[not systems]

2. smart and polite

That what Camejo is.

I liked him but will stick with Bustamante
who I thought also handled the fray well.

If we get automatic run off voting the Green
party could really move up but until that day
Democratic is the only vote that counts.

[eileen from OH]

6. Wha??? Okay, so I only flipped between the debate

and the World Poker Championship (which was FABULOUS,if anyone wants to know) but from the bits I saw he was interruptive and annoying as hell.

eileen from (And I never thought I'd say this) Ohio

[not systems]

7. It was 90 minutes long...

I guess it was the part you missed.

Interupt factor:

AS: 9
TM: 2
PC: 3
AH: 8
CB: 2

He was in the lower range for "interruptive and annoying"

[janekat]

11. He was pretty annoying - agree with you n/t

[haymaker]

19. Again, were you conscious?

What debate were you watching?

[haymaker]

18. Puufuckinlease...

Which debate did you watch? That is, when you stopped watching that bullshit poker?

[minkyboodle]

20. ??

I watched most of the debate and it seemed that Camejo, McClintock and Bustamante were the only ones that even mildy followed and respected the rules of the debate. Arianna (bless her for it thogh) and Ahnuld were the biggest interruptors.
Scott

[_NorCal_D_]

27. I noticed that

Camejo was lucky.

He wasn't attacked once.

[efhmc]

3. Didn't see the debate but it would be a much bettter world if we elected

a few, or make that many, greens. I also wish we had a multiple party system. It would solve so many of the money issues that drive most campaigns. I know, I dream.

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. I thought he came across as the only truly real guy

And Arianna was in "attack Arnold" mode and couldn't get her claws retracted or the paw out of her mouth. Cruz was snooty and sanctimonious. Arnold was as coherent and attractive as a belligerent drunk. McClintock looked like a simmering, barely functioning Timothy McVeigh.

Camejo came across as reasonable, comforting and safe. A kind father type.

I think he did an excellent job of splitting the Democratic vote. And McClintockkk will attract the hard core and way right wing pubs to even it out.



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[DuctapeFatwa]

5. me, too. Why can't we have Camejo/Cronkite ticket?

Regime Change!

[Terwilliger]

8. Camejo has done well

Who knows...he might surprise 'em all! :bounce:

[knight_of_the_star]

9. I'm voting for him

I was before the debate, I'm dead sure I will after this debate. The only problem is that he wants to do too much as governor, but I feel he would do a magnificient job of it. He really should run for Congress, he would do well there.

[janekat]

15. well YOU at least will deserve to have Arnold for Gov...... n/t

[Terwilliger]

24. I guess you forget Davis caused all this mess

by being so freaking unpopular!

[janekat]

10. Don't agree - he was very shrill at the beginning - had a few

really great moments.

[MaryBear]

12. I'm leaning toward Camejo,

and away from Bustamante. Camejo did appear genuine, and made sense. I move back and forth between "anyone but Ahnold," and "vote your conscience," and "vote for the one who can win." Camejo moved me tonight closer to voting my conscious conscience.

[Cloud]

13. Yeah

Just go with the guy you like best. You don't have to necessarily vote no on recall yes on Bustamante like everyone says. There are a few good canidates out there.

I don't live in California but if I did I would vote no on recall yes on Camejo.

[MaryBear]

30. Multiple issues.

Too bad you're not in California. Voting NO ON RECALL is important message to those who are trying to buy this governorship.

Voting for your candidate of choice is important in case they succeed.

[eablair3]

14. camejo won

without a doubt, imho

he was impressive

[janekat]

16. were we watching the same debate???

Arianna won.

[dudeness]

21. I can presume we did..jane

this is only my humble opinion..feel free to differ..

[Terwilliger]

25. what debate were you watching?

Arianna was attacking AHH-nold all night. Hard to "win" a debate when all you're trying to do is attack.

[haymaker]

17. I have to say that he wasn't bad.

And everyone else was, save Buster, who tried as best he could to stay out of the fray, which proved impossible.

[dudeness]

22. I guess it was the universal health care and taxing

the rich that swung me..

[Jack Rabbit]

23. Most pundits gave the highest marks to Camejo and McClintock

Most commentators I've seen this evening have given the highest marks to McClintock and Camejo. I tend to concur. Bustamante didn't really hurt himself, but he could have done better. The same can be said of Arianna.

Arnold lost this evening and McClintock benefitted from it. It wouldn't surprise me if McClintock finished ahead of Schwarzenegger on election day.

To be honest, if the race were just between the two of them, I'd go for McClintock. I'd have to hold my nose while voting for someone so far to the right; nevertheless, I would trust him with the day-to-day matters of running the state far more than I would trust Schwarzenegger.

As for the recall question, it will be close. A few eeks ago, Davis looked doomed.

Nothing said tonight changed my mind. I'll vote No on the recall question and for Bustamante as the replacement. However, if all things were equal or if we simply had IRV, I'd vote for Camejo.

[theboss]

26. I hate myself for saying it . . .

But if I were conducting job interviews with those candidates, the only one I would hire is McClintock.

I need a shower.

[Greyskye]

28. I was quite surprised

I watched 99% of the debate last night - missed a few minutes as my wife was in class so I had to get the small's dinner ready. :)

My exposure to the candidates pre-debate was this:
Arnold (R)- I've watched his movies.
Senator McClintock (sp?) (R)- Never heard him speak, knew nothing of his personal platform.
Peter Camejo (Green) - Never heard him speak, slightly familiar with the Green platform.
Arianna (I) - Familiar with her writings since her conversion from the Dark Side, like what I've read.
Cruz (D) - Never heard him speak before, was my personal front-runner pre-debate.


My feelings post-debate are thus:
Arnold - Courtesy, in my opinion, is a definining feature of the character of a person. Someone who lacks all pretensions of courtesy has, IMHO, fatal character flaws which will show in other ways as well. Arnold's steam-rolling over any and all in his way showed me his true character - and there isn't any. :(

McClintock - Professional, articulate. If I didn't disagree with 85% of what comes out of his mouth, I'd have decent feelings about him.

Camejo - Articulate, passionate, and had solid ideas on just about every topic touched upon. He had the statistics to back up his views, and not a single member was able to disagree with anything that he said. No one attacked him, as I'm sure he was considered a non-contender by the rest of the candidates.

Arianna - Like Comejo, she was articulate and passionate. She was the only one who even came close to standing up to Arnold's motor-mouth, although that very thing probably lost her 'points' in this debate. And she had the best one-liner of the debate, when she was attempting to keep Arnold from interrupting and talking over her like he had been every other candidate: "I'll just keep talking and we'll see which person with the funny accent can keep going longer" (paraphrased, badly).

Cruz - Cruz, Cruz, Cruz. Seems like a genuinely nice guy, but this debate format was not good for him. I kept thinking back to the Bush-Gore debates, with the feeling that he was in the Gore role. Decent message, mostly well delivered, but his constant muttering of comments into the mic while other candidates talked wasn't as effective (sadly) as interrupting and taking over the conversation. Worst of all was when he fell into 'politician' mode. Speaking in glittering generalities was just not as effective as the specifics that some of the others had.


My opinion, at the end of it all, was that Peter Camejo had actually won the debate. Here is how I feel the rest of the candidates fell out:

2 - McClintock
3 - Arianna
4&5 - Cruz and Arnold


edits for spelling

[MaryBear]

29. Thank you for your well thought out post,, but

I would disagree with you on why others did not attack Camejo. It may in part have been from not viewing him as a serious opponent. However, it also could have been that they just didn't have facts to use against him. He was well prepared and articulate.