PNAC question re Joe Biden

[Capn Sunshine]

I saw , here and other sites as well, a reproduction of one of the PNAC statements. One of the signatories was Joeseph Biden.

Was that a forgerey? Suddenly, I find no reference to Sen. Biden anywhere in the PNAC website.

If it was a forgery, I owe Biden a HUGE ASS apology.

[LightningFlash]

1. Don't kid yourselves.

It's no forgery...The DLC Evan Bayh and Joseph Biden, all of them are allies of PNAC. Donna Brazille is on PNAC's official think-tank arm for Iraq policy...

See latest breaking news....They're liars, pure and simple.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. This was more than that

It was an image of one of the many documents, and his name was right THERE. I don't quibble about the DLC's views, but was he ACTUALLY a signatory of a PNAC document?

[LightningFlash]

6. You mean does he endorse PNAC directly....

I don't think even Biden does that....I think he's just a corporate shill, not a traitor.

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[Postman]

7. Here's a stupid question for you...

Are you in Canada?

If so, can you give me any pointers on how to obtain Canadian citizenship?

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[FreedomAngel82]

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[FreedomAngel82]

15. I don't remember seeing his name either

They were all republicans as far as I can remember. I don't remember seeing Biden's name either.

[Independent_Liberal]

4. I seriously doubt he's associated with PNAC...

Biden ain't no PNACer. Nope, that isn't like him.

[Capn Sunshine]

5. I want to know if anyone can find that forgery in the archives then

I can't be the only DUer that saw it

[blm]

8. I didn't see it, but I don't doubt you one bit. It sounds like the exact

type of move that an operative would make to stir up battles within the Dem party.

[Lecky]

9. I found this list on the net

A Complete List of PNAC Signatories and Contributing Writers

[The2ndWheel]

10. Still there

http://www.newamericancentury.org/russia-20040928.htm

It calls for democracy in Russia, but we all know it's a crock when you see some of the names.

http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/about_members.htm

Same names show up here.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

And guess what? Yeah, yeah, you know where this is going...

One more? Do we have one more? Can I get one more?

http://www.fightingterror.org/members/index.cfm

Woohoo!

[globalvillage]

11. He signed this one, but I don't think any others.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/russia-20040928.htm

An Open Letter to the Heads of State and Government
Of the European Union and NATO
September 28, 2004
As citizens of the Euro-Atlantic community of democracies, we wish to express our sympathy and solidarity with the people of the Russian Federation in their struggle against terrorism. The mass murderers who seized School No. 1 in Beslan committed a heinous act of terrorism for which there can be no rationale or excuse. While other mass murderers have killed children and unarmed civilians, the calculated targeting of so many innocent children at school is an unprecedented act of barbarism that violates the values and norms of our community and which all civilized nations must condemn.

At the same time, we are deeply concerned that these tragic events are being used to further undermine democracy in Russia. Russia's democratic institutions have always been weak and fragile. Since becoming President in January 2000, Vladimir Putin has made them even weaker. He has systematically undercut the freedom and independence of the press, destroyed the checks and balances in the Russian federal system, arbitrarily imprisoned both real and imagined political rivals, removed legitimate candidates from electoral ballots, harassed and arrested NGO leaders, and weakened Russia's political parties. In the wake of the horrific crime in Beslan, President Putin has announced plans to further centralize power and to push through measures that will take Russia a step closer to authoritarian regime.

We are also worried about the deteriorating conduct of Russia in its foreign relations. President Putin's foreign policy is increasingly marked by a threatening attitude towards Russia's neighbors and Europe's energy security, the return of rhetoric of militarism and empire, and by a refusal to comply with Russia's international treaty obligations. In all aspects of Russian political life, the instruments of state power appear to be being rebuilt and the dominance of the security services to grow. We believe that this conduct cannot be accepted as the foundation of a true partnership between Russia and the democracies of NATO and the European Union.

[Capn Sunshine]

13. Thanks DUers!

I knew I saw something on PNAC "stationery" My bad for not pursuing it further.

Now, if we can authenticate what we do have.....

[LightningFlash]

14. What the hell? I can't believe...

I can't believe he DID sign it directly....Joseph Biden is totally nuts....Whoa..

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Yep there he is

This makes sense. Makes sense why he hasn't come out against the DSM etc. Watch him and Hillary fight for the nominee and then Biden get it and we will have a few changes in our country and be like Clinton again.
Good with economy but have some rigthwing legislation. We can't let that happen I think.

[LightningFlash]

18. That's right!!!

And the only way to avoid it is through this...

http://www.commonblog.com/section/Elections

Force the VVPB to pass at legislature!!!!!!

We CANT HAVE BIDEN OR HILLARY: EVER!!! They are RIGHT WING SHILLS! :mad: :banghead: :banghead: