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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:19 PM
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New Demon being created - on MSM Now.
Check out any of them - they are hitting Iran's new leader hard. 'Hostage Taker' See propaganda as it is created...this is how it starts.

Anything to distract from the Truth...

But this may be more than that too...the Bush Crime Family is creating their next Saddam as we watch. Live and in color. Soon they will start creating the case to go after Iran militarily...wait and see.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:21 PM
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1. They made certain that the hardliner would win in Iran. They serve each
other's purpose in their sick, symbiotic way. Just like Bush and Bin Laden. Always there for each other.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:25 PM
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8. It's amazing...check out a real news site...here for instance -
And hardly a post about it. But I just browsed through every MSM cable outlet - EVERYONE was featuring the story about how Ahmadinejad was one of the hostage takers - no matter that a lot of sources are saying he was not - he was just a part of the student movement and had no role in the actual kidnapping - in fact, some sources are saying that he opposed taking the hostages.

But you won't hear that on the MSM - no sir, no way, no chance. He is going to be badder than Osama, Saddam, Khdafi and Hillary Clinton rolled into one before the WH propaganda machine is done...
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:23 PM
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2. And Iran Contra will never be mentioned.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:23 PM
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3. we really need a new boogie man
we created Osama and Saddam. they don't seem to care about their footprints do they?
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:24 PM
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4. Well, Bush's Dad has probably met this guy...
It's been widely speculated that Bush Sr. personally set up the Arms for Hostages Scheme to hold the hostages until after the US election.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:24 PM
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5. He should hit back. "When I was taking hostages, you were
nothing but a rich drunk." If he can make it personal, people might not buy the buildup to war.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:24 PM
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6. those hostage takers were paid in armaments by POPPY BUSHso they would not
release the hostages (no matter how much JIMMY CARTER worked to have them released) before that 1980 election...

so, THis NOW PRESIDENT of Iran IS CONNECTED TO THE BUSHES in a most nefarious way --but what is the pay off for the Bushes to have him reappear at this time in the international political scene? i have not yet figured it out.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:31 PM
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10. Well, I imagine he will participate in the RW's attempts to turn
America against Iran.

He will perhaps make it look as though Iran is hiding something, despite the IAEA's clean and clear assesment, and help the PNAC focus it's attention over there.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:11 PM
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22. War!
It's about building a case for war and I have a feeling a few in Iran want to see it. Image how the price of oil will sky rocket
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:35 PM
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37. That's it in a nutshell.
This is all about making the case for a war with Iran. Boy oh boy, talk about the past coming back to haunt. I would love for this guy to spill everything about the Arms for Hostages deal and how W's Poppy was a major player. But, nah-Little Boots will attack before any of the sheeple can put this together. It'll be all about avenging the hostages, the shame of our nation, and showing the world that Bush can hold a grudge longer than my Mother (and she was a champ at it). Worse times are coming, if that's possible.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:11 PM
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47. Well, Osama showed up at a highly opportune time too.
Nice to have old friends to pull your bacon out of the fire when you need them, no?
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:25 PM
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7. Maybe Iran considered them Detainees n/t
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:30 PM
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9. This is the newest tactic to try to promote the war with Iran.......
They didn't get Bolton in the U.N. to bully them (U.N.) into giving permission for war (with Iran), so this is plan B.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:34 PM
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11. Bolton will be appointed next week...wait and see. nt
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:42 PM
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14. I wish I could say it isn't going to happen, but I can't.....
Your probably right. They will do the recess appointment and all the while keep repeating this story, till they get public support for the new war. I keep hoping it will not come to that, but it probably will.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:36 PM
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12. Media is not bothering to wait for any proof or I.D. confirmation
The pictures I saw this morning on ABC news gave me the impression that the newly elected Pres has different eyes that are set closer together and a different size nose so I am skeptical especially since only a handful of the hostages (outspoken RW hawks apparently) are claiming absolute knowledge based just on similarity from a couple of pictures, even though at the time they were held captive they did not know the mans name and in the pictures ABC showed, the hostage with the man in question was wearing blindfolds.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:04 PM
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17. "Swift Boat Vets" tactics. Give it premium media play for awhile and
follow up with the facts only after the bunk has already been accepted as truth by the public. :puke:
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:41 PM
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13. updated three minutes of hate
Osama Bin Forgotten and Saddam is a Bad Guy have both lost their lustre. Now we have a new bogeyman.
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AtTheEndOfTheDay Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:52 PM
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15. They probably dreamed up some story for
every candidate on the Iranian ballot. Hey, they're both sporting a beard. What more do you want?
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packman Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:09 PM
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20. American Gothic
very nice - where can I get a copy?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:00 PM
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16. Bogus from the begining. This has the same smell as Swift boat veteran
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 07:07 PM by oasis
assholes. "Hardball" Tweety had some freeper type ex-hostage on his show who was about as credible as the next right wing shill.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:09 PM
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19. Yeah. But they have the MSM serving
the same rotted slop to the American public again. Anything to avoid the truth. Anything to avoid Joe and Jane Sixpack from learning about the DSM...to draw attention away from the upcoming release of the Abu Gharib photos...away form *'s sagging popularity numbers.

I hate these people.

:grr:
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packman Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:07 PM
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18. Three card monte
Watch the cards - shuffle, shuffle. Anything to distract from the fact that it is all a deadly game to them.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:10 PM
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21. Very apt analogy my friend. nt
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:15 PM
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23. He was also the John Doe #3 from the Oklahoma City Bombing
As well as being the second gunmen in the assassination of JFK.

We have always been at war with Iran.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:23 PM
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35. and...and...and we suspect he has something to do with the Anthrax
attacks...against...the...demo...ooooh...whatever.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:26 PM
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36. Wasn't he also the one...
who was heckling at the Repug convention in New York last year too?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:15 PM
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24. Oh-oh...subtle but nasty agenda item
It just occurred to me.....

The 444 days that the hostages were held are seen by the Neocons as the darkest of America's days....part of the malaise as they are wont to call it of the Carter/liberal Presidency.

If the neocons can tag the new Iranian Pres as part of that era, AND his royal highness, Jesus's ambassador on Earth, God's one and only, George W. Bush can invade Iran and punish this guy, then he has saved, once and for all, America's tarnished reputation. He will have once and for all, cleaned up Carter's Mess and the subtle message is:

It takes a Republican to clean up the decades-long mess that a liberal makes. p

I don't like the smell of this...not one little bit.....

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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 09:11 PM
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26. Ding Ding Ding!
You nailed it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:14 PM
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30. My lord we are cymical today... (Ding, DIng, Ding, DING)
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:46 PM
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25. Of course a new demon needs to be created
thats the point of a continuous war. It is one enemy after another to keep the profiteering high. This will go on until we run out of money, or we are destroyed.

This is the objective of these globalists, the corporatists. They want to bring the USA to its knees, and then on to Europe and they then have the world.

Look how our military is being destroyed. Look how our industrial base was allowed to become obsolete and then moved on to 'service' jobs, which don't really create value. Eventually the service jobs will dry-up and that will be the end, economically.

Look at the legislative agenda. See anything there for the people?

Bu$h and the Republicans are working to destroy America. Have been all along.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:08 PM
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27. Lou Dobbs say the CIA should alrready have all the info on the guy since
he was a potential leader of the country.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:12 PM
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28. The NeoCons are in a race to see if they can start an invasion of Iran....
...before impeachment begins the process of removing them all from power.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 PM
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29. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:19 PM
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32. Now who's cynical....
Ding Ding Ding ding!

:rofl:
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:18 PM
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31. drum drum drum
I can hear a faint drum beat.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:20 PM
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33. Those computer facial imaging capabilites that the FBI has to identify
war protesters could be put to use.

I guess in this case it's not that important.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:21 PM
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34. Watch the din rise as the DSM hearings heat up...nt
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 10:22 PM by linazelle
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:43 PM
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38. Do any of these stories report that
. . . three of the actual hostage takers, who are now reformists opposed to Ahmadinejad, state that Ahmadinejad was not among their number?

You'll find that little tidbit on the BBC.

Are we going to have to start reading the foreign press again to cut through the regime's war propaganda? Is the US corporate media again going to be the regime's privatized Pravda?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:45 PM
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41. That, My Friend, Is A Very Interesting Little Tidbit....
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:50 PM
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42. No. Yes. Yes.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:44 PM
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39. Hardball is scary
They're basically saying "now that we know this is one of the hostage takers.... will it harm relations further"

Sounds like Bush is all over the story. I guess Cheney told Bush to say something after he devised this scheme.

This won't stand up in the world... and I hope most Americans don't buy it.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:45 PM
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40. Yeah. We need to get this guy.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 10:57 PM
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43. It's so interesting to watch this with wide-open eyes.
With Iraq my eyes were pretty open, but I wasn't even as informed as I am now.

Now I feel on top of it. And I feel like I'm watching evil unfold right before me. It's a sick thing to watch. It's a slow process, but it doesn't take much for sheeple to say "baaaaaa..ok....."

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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:02 PM
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44. Isn't it....
I remember watching Watergate unfold...and Iran and the October surprise in 1980...and Iran/Contra....this puts them in the minor league.

I've always read about disinformation and propaganda campaigns in totalitarian governments....never thought I'd live to see it happen right before my eyes in the good old U.S. of A.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:08 PM
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45. Now they can invade Iran and somehow blame Jimmy Carter
for the whole thing. Brilliant!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:09 PM
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46. Yes, all three of the Corporate Media Whore Outlets are
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 11:11 PM by ElectroPrincess
licking their chops and rubbing their hands together in gleeful joy at our next BOOGIE-MAN to stand beside that "cat of nine lives / amputee" - Al Zarkowi.

I'm sick of the entire USA corporate cable media being in on the take. I can't watch any TV news save for a little C-SPAN without walking away from the experience both disgusted and insulted. I just can NOT force myself to watch any of them anymore, CNN, MSNBC, FOX.

We are screwed unless we get access to an outlet that will hold our leader's accountable. Right now, I see little hope ... the lies and sensationalism are astounding.

However, BushCo underestimates our gullibility, I hope. That drumbeat to hate and war will not be a road so easily traversed when it comes to a truly formidable enemy, Iran. Just one little letter but a whole lotta military might ... it would be an long, horrific and bloody war. :(

What's wrong with these bloated armchair warriors and media stenographers? Dammit, if they're so bad, let these old men go and fight this war. :P
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:22 PM
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49. I know...
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 11:22 PM by Tommymac
I can just bring myself to do a quick scan in the evening to see where they are all at...can't stomache watching them at all. In fact, I pretty much have quit all TV watching except for C-Span and some sports once in a while. And of coarse The Daily Show once in a while.


It won't be a conventional war for long...this one will go the next step when it happens. :nuke: I hope the World wakes up in time to stop the madness...though in my currently cynical state of mind today I have little hope of that. Tomorrow may be better though.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:14 PM
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48. Of course
Anybody who's been paying attention and is in reality can see that.
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