MTV Just showed clip of Bush's Tuesday speech and ADDED APPLAUSE

[Mortos]

MTV News just did a story on the President's Tuesday speech and showed him walking in to loud applause. That did not happen, there was no applause during his entrance or at all until he wrapped it up and then it was started by Bush staffers. Nice revisionism by the media. How long before the lack of applause is spun into a liberal lie with the help of some editing software.


Update:

From the MTV website:

But even in front of a hand-picked group of military officers, the commander in chief was met with stony silence as he entered the hall and the rallying speech featured only one applause line, which, according to a commentator on CBS, was initiated by one of the president's advance staff.

But this directly contradicts what they are showing. I wrote a comment to MTV asking why and who inserted the applause.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1504911/20050629/index.jhtml?headlines=true#Scene_1

[Wapsie B]

1. It's sop with the chimp.

Just like the campaign trail with his buses full of paid crowd members following him from stop to stop.

[patrice]

2. They lie and they know they lie. It's intolerable!

I'm glad I don't have cable TV anymore.

[goclark]

3. What is the link to MTV!!

[Cha]

18. Here ya go..

[e-mail]

[ananda]

4. how did they do that?

DId they just focus on Bush and leave the non-applauding audience out of the picture?

Sue

[Mortos]

5. Yes.

They showed him walking in to applause and he gets to the podium and says "Thank You".

I am going to check the official white house video but I am sure there was no applause.

[EarlG]

10. I just watched it again at DallasNews.com

There is no applause when Bush walks in. Can anyone find a link to the MTV video?

[helderheid]

78. cut and paste into your browser

mms://a1377.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1377/14176/v001/mtvcomstor.download.akamai.com/8601/_!/mtv.com/news/overdrive/daily/2005/june/29/noon/od_noon_6_29_05_headlines.wmv?auth=caCbwabdhbbdrajcua3drbMbpblcRczdtdh-bcXc.u-dHa-xCFzuD&aifp=v1

[NoPasaran]

98. Tiny URL is your friend

http://tinyurl.com/

[helderheid]

103. It would be if it worked with direct media links

http://tinyurl.com/8wf7m doesn't work.

Just cut and paste the long url into your browser. THAT works.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

6. I was watching msnbc

In which they recalled accounts of 'the fort brag soldiers applauding without cease' and I honestly believed they all loved him until looking at DU again about it. It doesn't surprise me mtv is bought out by bush politics. I mean it is a hub for 'young people' just like them untamable 'internets'. If the internets won't draw young people's attention, just have mtv lie. Then again this isn't the first time mtv has lied to gain attention, propogandizing against things that in no way are how they say it.

If I remember right, they did a pretty bad mock up of the furry community too. I'd just expect anyone with a brain to not watch mtv for news coverage or coverage of anything outside of music ;)

[ComerPerro]

7. Its MTV

[aden_nak]

8. South Park put it best (in the "Timmy" episode):

You're watching MTV! The cool brain-washing twelve year old and younger station that hides behind a slick image! We're so cool that we decided what's cool! And now, MTV News! The news that has single-handedly dumbing down our country, which is cool!

[Mortos]

11. I wasn't watching MTV for news

I was enjoying the lighthearted dating show NEXT. :loveya:

[Bozita]

12. Love that bumper sticker!

[endarkenment]

9. Pravda. EOM.

[BamaLefty]

13. MTV?

WTF! I wouldn't think they would like him...

[Botany]

23. They are owned by Disney .....

.... which also owns ABC, ESPN, and other media .......

it is all about the money

[onenote]

36. wrong

They're owned by Viacom, which owns CBS.

[Botany]

40. Sorry

I thought Viacom was VH 1 opps

but is still all about the money and the manipulation of the message ....
I know that * walked out it was deadly quite

[fujiyama]

45. I think

VH1 is also Viacom. IIRC, both MTV and VH1 are owned by the same people.

[ovidsen]

39. Not quite...

MTV is owned by Viacom, which owns CBS, UPN, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central and a host of other media outlets. Disney's a competitor.

While CBS is routinely condemned by the Bushco crowd, and while Comedy Central gives us Jon Stewart:applause:, I would not want my cousin to date Viacom, if you know what I mean....

I guess I'm nitpicking, 'cause your conclusion is on target.

It is all about the money.

[centristo]

44. almost

I actually work at MTV (not the News dept though...)

Viacom owns MTV Networks. MTV Networks owns Nick, Comedy Central, CMT, Spike and VH1, among other networks. I can assure you that roughly 98% of the people who work at 1515 Broadway with me are Democrats.

You guys need to chill with this corporate Bush-backing talk. Its crazy. Almost everyone here at MTV is young and anti-Bush. There is probably some explanation for why you saw or heard applause when Bush walked in. Who knows. But I HIGHLY doubt it was a premeditated attempt to boost Bush's image. People here were devastated when Kerry lost.

:tinfoilhat:

[ovidsen]

71. I see your point.

I think your observations (especially as an MTV employee!) should be considered by every DUer. Folks who believe there's a vast neo-con Bush-loving cabal conrolling the MSM need to take a few steps back.

There's one thing media honchos care far more about than politics, and that is money!! It's the ONLY thing Viacom (CBS, MTV, etc.), Disney (ABC, ESPN, etc.), GE (NBC, MSNBC, Univision, etc.) News Corp. (Fox News, FX, NY Post, Times of London, etc.), and Time Warner (CNN, AOL, Time, HBO, etc.) really care about.

I know I didn't list all the media conglomerates, but you get the idea.

Lately, my favorite example of media mogul whoredom is Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp., which brings us that simpering BushCo mouthpiece the Fox News Channel. Murdoch also is behind the NY Post, the neocon tabloid for the sub 100 IQ set. But News Corp. is also "The Simpsons"; the almost R rated FX cable; Britain's Sun tabloid (at least one topless babe a day!); and the Times of London, which first printed the Downing Street Memos.

Murdoch, IMO, is just a blatant example of the capitalist media mind-set, which worships the bottom line and nothing else. It backs any political and programming/editorial philosophies that fatten income. Eccentrics like Ted Turner, who occasionally show flashes of conscience, are too often banished into irrelevance.

Thanks for letting me rant. FWIW, I worked for NBC at 30 Rock in the 1980s. When I started, it was owned by RCA, a doddering, conservative, but complacently benign company. When I left, it had been bought by GE, which consistently exhibits the compassion and social responsibility of Michael Milkin and Atilla the Hun.

Oh yes, the dubbed in applause in the MTV report on the Bush speech? Considering that MTV doesn't really have a news department, I'll wager it was ignorance. Some low-level editor saw the tape, assumed maybe a sound problem was to blame for the lack of applause, and mixed some in. I don't think it was part of a propaganda conspiracy.

[Angry Girl]

90. No! You guys at MTV need to get a CLUE

As to who your masters really are and what they are doing, with your permission, right under your placid noses!

If the situation had been reversed, young Republicans would have shrieked bloody murder! But our trusting, pathetically naive and docile Democrats sit there like victimized mushrooms. "Waaah! It wasn't our fault! We voted for Kerry Waaah!"

I'll never espouse the demented beliefs of the Rovians, but, damn, it really pisses me off when people like you say, "You need to chill." You mean like Kerry and the majority of the democrats chilled when Cheney and Rove took over this country?

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[helderheid]

99. the answer is yes - most indeedidly so

just cut and paste into your browser and prepare to get pissed.

mms://a1377.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1377/14176/v001/mtvcomstor.download.akamai.com/8601/_!/mtv.com/news/overdrive/daily/2005/june/29/noon/od_noon_6_29_05_headlines.wmv?auth=caCbwabdhbbdrajcua3drbMbpblcRczdtdh-bcXc.u-dHa-xCFzuD&aifp=v1

[Botany]

100. I could not get that to come up on my Mac w/ wmv ......

instead I got an error message ....

I will take your word for it ......

It is all about manipulation of the message and the media. Just like the election
In Ohio bush poll #s are lower then 6 other blue states ..... and he won here?
give me a break.

Although I think bush and company are getting very nervous ..... they are
about to go down.

[helderheid]

102. try it directly on MTVs page - may work?

http://www.mtv.com/pmc/index.jhtml#

Scroll to bottom - link to "MTV News Afternoon Edition"

It's the news story called "Diener Motivated by Soilder" and it's the segment after John Mayer.

I totally agree with you on the last election

[Botany]

106. The one w/ the American idol fella?

It is dead too. I am sure I will get a chance to see it.
I will not watch MTV just to see it though ...... :puke:

I sent Keith Obermann & Stephanie :loveya: Miller this story too.

"The cover up is worse then the crime."

btw just a little of what I saw in Ohio .....
http://www.thousandreasons.org/get_article.php?article_id=13

thanks

[helderheid]

108. thank you!

OH email Randi Rhodes too!

Read your link - still makes me livid!

[Botany]

110. I wonder if the tape MTV is showing was ....

..... provided by the White House? I read that they had 40 minutes
alloted for *'s speech but he used only 28 ....... No applause?

Can you think of the blow back the right wing sound machine would come
up with if Clinton had cheering dubbed into one of his speeches?

this is SMALL POTATOES but I think it shows a really scared White House.

[helderheid]

113. I couldn't agree more

[helderheid]

109. oh, and yea - the American Idol dude - it's the link to the afternoon

"news"

[centristo]

114. i am not spreading bull shit on toast

and i am not telling you it is country-style apple butter.

That election was run by a partisan Republican who is now running for Governor of Ohio. This is MTV News we're talking about. There is a huge difference between the two. I fucking work here. I know what I am talking about.

We got screwed. I know that. But too many of you are jumping to conclusions and it makes all of us look bad. Don't you realize that? Ever heard of the boy who cries wolf?

[helderheid]

116. if it was added in "because it sounded funny without it"

It needs to be taken out and played as it was originally. It DOES sound weird without applause and THAT should be heard and part of the news story!

[Botany]

119. Facts ......

1. If you think I or another DUer is wrong ALWAYS point that out.
"I disagree w/ what you say but I will defend to the death your right to
say it." No hard feelings!
2. Bush came out to no applause on 6/28
3. MTV ran video of him coming out to applause

? how did the applause get added in? did the white house provide
the clip? did somebody @ MTV edit in applause?

I will disagree with you on the doctored video on MTV news and the stolen
election (add in Iraq, 9/11, global warming, the debt, energy policy what
have you) all of them go back to a central point MANIPULATION OF THE
MESSAGE

9/11 morphs into we need to attack Iraq
the movie F 9/11 morphs into why Michael Moore is a bad person
John Kerry war hero morphs into self wounding traitor who stabbed the Vietnam
Vets in the back
AWOL bush morphs into Dan Rather producing phony documents
election fraud morphs into sore losers who do not know when to give up

In Arlington, VA there is a firm called Creative Response Concepts that
does this crap 24/7 for Rove and company

And does not MTV manipulate the message too? How about Ashlee (sp???)
Simpson? She can not sing and yet she is produced and packaged as
talented young singer flying around the world giving concerts for her
loyal fans ....... Somebody @ MTV had to know she couldn't sing but
"that product" was sold by your company .... Manipulation of the Message

[BiggJawn]

136. "Assie" Simpson...Touche'!

Good catch!

[BiggJawn]

138. So?

I'm an Atheist. I worked NINE YEARS for a holy-roller TV staion, airing Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swagart and Jerry Foul-Well and BOB TILTON (gasp!)

Why? Because I had to eat, just like you, and if the boss said air an advert for the nifty "Liberal Hunting License Bumper sticker", I aired it.

UNLIKE you, how-evah, I didn't back myself in a corner trying to defend the bigots who signed my paycheck from all comers.

Yeah, I was a Whore. amazing what you'll put up with just to put food on your family, eh?

What, you get a bonus if you can convince us that everybody at MTV is tru-blu democrats? S'Yeah, don't spend the money just yet....

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[BiggJawn]

104. Do the descison-makers work at 1515?

Or are they the 2% who didn't vote for Kerry.

Y'know, I HATE to sound like a tinfoil-hatter here, but in this case I think it's a fair statement to say that you young-uns in the trenchs don't know shit about what's going on in the carpetted offices...

If there was applause dubbed in to his grand entrance, you bet your bippy it was put in there for some other reason than "Uh, we can't have just silence there..."

[BamaLefty]

82. Shit,

I didn't think about that. In that case... :grr:

[Cha]

14. If they can take out the

the crowd sound from Howard Dean's Rallying Cry..they can add "applause" to the chimp's speech.

mtv is gettin' real corporatewhorish aren't they?

They can add all the applause they want but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's butt.

[Mortos]

16. I know MTV news is not a real news organization

but alot of young people get whatever little news they view here.

[Cha]

20. Precisely!

And their minds are impressionable..not like ours that have been jaded by the corporatewhores.

[Frederik]

64. MTV is Viacom

same as CBS. The world's third largest media and entertainment company. And its controlling shareholder, Sumner Redstone, is of course a Republican.

[Cha]

79. I read conflicting stories on

Sumner Redstone. At one juncture I read that Sumner was smart enough and cared enough about his country as to be a Democrat.

I was amazed at the time that a corporate head could care about something so trivial as his country over the bottom freakin' line.

[Frederik]

83. Really?

Didn't he say that he would prefer a Republican president? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

[Cha]

87. Here's Sumner's

political contributions thanks to "newsmeat"..

"Sumner Redstone , 82 (bio)
Viacom chairman, ceo $15,500 Republican
$195,525* Democrat
$83,700 special interest
total: $294,725
* includes soft-money donations

Much more at..
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Sumner_Redstone.php

[Frederik]

91. Wow, not bad

Looks like I stand corrected.

[Cha]

92. Except that pesky..

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) $5,000
primary 03/24/05

No wonder it's been conflicted.

[SOS]

130. Redstone endorsed Bush.

"The Viacom CEO endorses George Bush and sets off a debate about political partisanship"
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.php?story=04/10/05/5011320

[Frederik]

145. Thank you

That's what I thought I remembered.

[wtmusic]

15. I don't believe there was *no* applause during his entrance

that would have been a story in itself

[helderheid]

21. I saw it

It was DEATHLY silent.

[Uncle Joe]

32. I heard crickets n/t

[alfredo]

93. Not crickets. He was squeezing off a fart through a

constricted butt-hole.

[Atman]

133. I tuned is as he was walking to the podium

I hit the MUTE button, thinking someone had turned the sound of. It was such a long walk -- surreal in the silence -- that I had time to flip to another channel to double-check, and of course, dead silence there, too.

Sorry to the OP who can't believe it, but it was as quiet as quiet gets. We saw it. It has been reported on all over the news.

[helderheid]

134. I thought that was surreal as well but I think it was even more so when

I saw the MTV "improved" version!!

[Cha]

22. Have you seen the orginal

video of his "entrance"?

[wtmusic]

26. no

I'm offering an opinion on something I know nothing about (I saw other posts doing it, so I thought it was ok) ;)

[Cha]

80. okay, I get it!

Sorry :silly:

[Monkie]

81. thats gotto be the funniest posts i have seen in a while..

thanks for that laugh!

[myrna minx]

85. I recorded the farce and there was no sound as

bu$h entered the room. The room was totally silent.

[helderheid]

25. Feel free to judge for yourself

The cameras going off is the only noise you hear

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html#

you can view the video there

[wtmusic]

29. It doesn't show the entrance

but I have to say there is not a lot of love in the air. The chimp looks scared to death.

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. I watched it live from beginning to end

There was NO applause when he entered and went to the podium. It was eerie. The only sound(s) were muffled movement from standing as he was first announced and then when they were told to sit. The one and only time there was applause during the speech, it was well into it. I honestly thought he was going to get through the entire thing without claps till that point.

[Mortos]

27. Here is a right wing website

that has the fox feed of his entrance and speech. Coulda heard a mouse fart.

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/28/1819/

This video is better than the Whitehouse version. It shows his entire entrance. The Whitehouse version just shows him at the podium and starting his speech with thank you. What the fuck is he thanking them for...being there.

His thanking them is another indication that they thought there would be applause. He stuck to the script even though the soldiers didn't applaud.

What a maroon.

[helderheid]

31. I'm downloading the file for future in case they decide to change history

AGAIN

[Catrina]

42. Good idea

I watched it, there was silence, it was strange. Only one muted round of applause about 20 minutes into the speech, and a polite round of applause at the end. NBC, ABC and FOX reported that WH handlers led the only round of applause.

But rightwingers are saying that there was no applause when he entered because the soldiers were 'at attention'. I didn't notice that so can't say and I can't view video online. I can't remember if the troops were visible as he entered.

Anyhow, that's their excuse for the silence when he entered, but I doubt it.

MTV adding applause may not be the only ones doing it. Another person I know said he heard a repeat of the speech on the radio and there applause throughout. I had a hard time convincing him there was only one short, unenthusiastic round of applause. He finally got the video online, and saw it for himself.

[helderheid]

47. goddamn that is spooky

The short round of applause were prompted by White House officials (this from media matters: (edited to add links to the video discussing lack of applause)
)

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506290007

Watch this video clip:

* Quicktime
http://mediamatters.org/static/video/bushspeech-200506290007.mov
* Windows Media
http://mediamatters.org/static/video/bushspeech-200506290007.wmv

CNN, MSNBC failed to note that applause at Bush speech was prompted by Bush staffers

After President Bush's June 28 speech at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, reporters on ABC, NBC and Fox News noted that the only round of applause during the speech was initiated by Bush staffers. But CNN and MSNBC made no mention of the staffers' role, instead attributing the outbreak of applause to the troops. CBS' brief post-speech coverage made no mention of the applause.

Appearing on MSNBC, Newsweek managing editor Jon Meacham stated: "It was striking to me that the one moment of applause at that very well-disciplined military crowd was that 'we will stay in the fight until the fight is won.'" CNN host Wolf Blitzer stated that just once "the troops at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, interrupted the president and politely applauded him." CNN White House correspondent Dana Bash added that "it was quite noteworthy that there was only a round of applause at one particular moment" because the White House wanted it to be "sedate" in order avoid criticism for "having sort of a campaign or political rally."

ABC, NBC, and Fox News reported on the Bush staffers' role ...

ABC

TERRY MORAN (ABC News chief White House correspondent): One other thing I should tell you, Charlie , the president's speech was greeted with respectful and attentive silence here by the soldiers. At one point he was interrupted for applause when he said, "We will stay in the fight until the fight is won." I must tell you that applause was initiated by a member of the White House advance team.

NBC

BRIAN WILLIAMS (anchor): Kelly , some folks at home no doubt were curious about the lack of applause breaks. By pre-agreement between the White House and Fort Bragg, there was no entry applause as the soldiers were at attention. We were 23 minutes into it before the first break for applause. Were the crowd addressed or given instructions in any way before the president walked out?

O'DONNELL: I checked with some of those in uniform, and they were told to follow military protocol and to be polite. It was my observation that that one applause break was actually triggered by members of the president's advance team. They were just a few feet from me. They started to applaud-- applause is contagious, and it then swept through the room. There was applause when the president left the room after the speech was over but people in uniform here told me that they had planned to be polite and to follow protocol. So, that's the explanation behind that, Brian.

Fox News

BRIT HUME (anchor): It was an interesting phenomenon, this was a room full of U.S. military men and women and they had been urged not to engage in the usual cheering response that a commander in chief can expect. But at one point there was a round of applause. Our chief White House correspondent Carl Cameron is down there and can give us a better sense about this whole issue about the military and the applause and what kind of atmosphere was supposed to prevail in the room and what happened there. Carl?

CAMERON: Well, one of the things we were told today before the president's speech by the military brass here is that the soldiers and airmen were all given very strict instruction to avoid their hoo-hahs. And there's an awful lot of pent-up enthusiasm here. And before the president actually gave his remarks, we had some of the commanding officers come out and sort of exercise and warm up the crowd and let them do their hoo-hahs before the president got here. They were told to keep it subdued that this was not supposed to be a rah-rah reception to the president's remarks. It wasn't a rally. But there was that one moment when the applause, in fact, did break out. And what happened in fact was a couple of Bush staffers in the back of the auditorium here with the press began to applaud. And here you have these members of the Army Airborne, some as described by their own commanders, some of the more aggressive U.S. forces, ready to let loose with their applause.

... while no mention was made of the Bush staffers' role on CNN and MSNBC:

MSNBC

CHRIS MATTHEWS (host): Let's go right now to Newsweek's magazine managing editor, Jon Meacham. Jon, did the president do what he had to do tonight or not?

MEACHAM: I think he certainly spoke nobly and well. He linked this struggle to our noblest moments through our history, from the revolution forward. It was striking to me that the one moment of applause at that very well-disciplined military crowd was that "we will stay in the fight until the fight is won." And he evoked the virtues and values of courage and tenacity and sacrifice.

CNN

BLITZER: And so, the president of the United States wrapping up a speech to the nation, to the troops. The president speaking for just under 30 minutes, a little bit less than we thought. Only interrupted once by applause, when the president simply said, "We will stay in the fight until the fight is won." That's when the troops at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, interrupted the president and politely applauded him. There was no rah-rah, hoo-hahs from this group. Nearly 800 troops assembled at Fort Bragg. That clearly was the instruction from the White House, the commander in chief. A very respectful response for the president as he continues to shake hands with those troops.

<...>

BLITZER: Our Dana Bash, our White House correspondent, is on the scene for us at Fort Bragg. Give us a little flavor, Dana, of what you're seeing, what you're feeling there, with the troops who are assembled.

BASH: Well, Wolf, just as you mentioned, it was quite noteworthy that there was only a round of applause at one particular moment. They were very careful to be sort of sedate, and the White House, as you mentioned, very understanding of the fact that they could be criticized for having sort of a campaign or political rally, if you will, at a time when the president -- when they're asking for time from the networks and trying to speak to the American people.

Before the speech, Blitzer and CNN host Paula Zahn predicted a "responsive and enthusiastic" from the audience of military personnel, who "support what the commander in chief is doing":

BLITZER: One thing for sure, Paula, the president has a very, very responsive and enthusiastic audience in front of him.

ZAHN: Which makes you wonder how long the speech really will take tonight. The White House originally told us to expect the president to speak for about 30 minutes or so. No doubt there will be multiple interruptions by the supportive crowd here this evening.

BLITZER: But the White House officials that I've spoken with, several of them, say this is not the kind of speech which is going to be seen as a political speech. They really don't expect the soldiers in the audience at Fort Bragg and the airmen to go forward and interrupt the president repeatedly with applause. That will happen; there'll be some of the hoo-hahs and some of the cheering for the president. He is the commander in chief, after all, and these men and women who are there at Fort Bragg certainly support what the commander in chief is doing. But I would be surprised if it turns into, really, a campaign-style speech. It will be very respectful.

— N.C.

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[helderheid]

51. Watching the post speech talks about lack of applause

must see tv:

http://mediamatters.org/static/video/bushspeech-200506290007.mov

(quicktime)

http://mediamatters.org/static/video/bushspeech-200506290007.wmv

(windows)

[johnaries]

57. They were standing at attention. CBS did a pan that showed them. Also,

when the "Commander in Chief" enters a room you automatically go to attention. Bush's "thank you" was basicaly telling them "at ease, you may sit".

Still, that only explains the lack of applause while at attention. After they were at ease and seated they would have been able to applaud whenever they felt "inspired".

[helderheid]

59. and shows that MTV is lying

[PearliePoo2]

35. yesterday on Randi's show

she played a sound clip of him saying, "Thank you, please be seated" and she said everyone was ALREADY seated. Is this true? Did anyone see that? If so, he is a stupid scary fuck beyond words.

[Mortos]

41. No they were standing

As is protocol when a senior officer walks in the room. They stood out of respect. They stayed silent to show their disapproval.

[elehhhhna]

46. He said "Thank You" because it's in the script of his same, lame

tiredass lying speech. After all, he's been giving the exact same speech for MONTHS.

[Miss Chybil]

30. It was silent. nt

[elehhhhna]

43. It's the military--they don't applaud unless ordered to, guys.

Guess Rove forgot to set it up.

[Mortos]

48. Bullshit

The military has applauded this CIC at every appearance until this one. Look at the Turkey dinner, the "mission accomplished" aircraft carrier, the war college.

As a former military person, I can tell you that we were told to respond very enthusiastically whenever high ranking brass came to talk to us.

They may have been ordered not to applaud but no one seems to be able to confirm that.

Rove picked this crowd because he thought they would be supportive...they weren't.

[ovidsen]

76. Not bullshit

AP, NYT, WP, you name 'em, they're all reporting that the men and women in uniform who attended the Ft. Bragg speech were ordered not to applaud because that would have distracted from the seriousness of the POTUS speech. Neither the military nor Chimp's handlers wanted it to look like a pep rally. Not when you're talking about lots of dead Americans.

I do agree that it looked really stupid when Bush walked to the lectern in complete silence. The only thing that looked goofier was his alligator tears when he ended his speech.

[Mortos]

88. I have yet to read anything saying the troops were "ordered"

not to applaud. Please provide a link so I can research it further.

[ovidsen]

124. Let me rephrase that...

From NY Times, Thu 6/30

" "The guy from White House advance, during the initial meetings, said, 'Be careful not to let this become a pep rally,' " Captain (Tom) Earnhardt (a public relations officer at Fort Bragg) recalled in a telephone interview. Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, confirmed that account.

As the message drifted down to commanders, it appears that it may have gained an interpretation beyond what the administration's image-makers had in mind. "This is a very disciplined environment," said Captain Earnhardt, "and some guys may have taken it a bit far," leaving the troops hesitant to applaud."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/politics/30speech.html?

My point is, if your Sergeant or your CO told you to be quiet when you're in the presence of Chimp, chances are you're going to do just that. I don't think the lack of applause during the speech was indicative of troop morale, one way or the other. Being the good, chain-of-command soldiers that they are, they were simply following orders... er, suggestions.

It's also quite probable that if they HAD been told to cheer wildly in the presence of Chimp, they would have done that, too, even if they thought Iraq was the biggest FUBAR they'd ever encountered.

Spontaneous and individual behavior is not encouraged in the services. Bad discipline, and all that.

Cheers!

[TankLV]

118. These same media whores who "told" us he won the debates.

Riiiiiiigt!

[helderheid]

120. exactly!!

[Atman]

139. AP, NYT, WP, did NOT report that.

Okay, so maybe they did. But not the stories I read. They say that the troops were only told "not to be boisterous" or some such. None of the WOOT WOOT stuff he usually gets, but they were NOT ordered to be silent.

The best evidence? The president's handlers alloted 40 minutes for the speech, which lasted only 28 minutes. They always build in "applause time" for him. Always.

So, if there was not supposed to be any applause, under "orders," why did they build in the applause time? They thought there would be applause. They planned for applause. They just didn't get any.

[Frederik]

111. It IS a story in itself

NY Times story on it in LBN.

[TankLV]

117. I saw it - replay too. NONE, NADA, ZIPPO.

SILENCE.

Bunkerboy look real pissed, too, because of it - just like in the first debates.

[DoYouEverWonder]

122. When W entered the room the troops were all at attention.

He ended up in a Catch-22 because they wanted it to look like he had the respect of the military but because they were 'at attention' they weren't allowed to respond in any way. Hence no clapping for his grand entrance. It was very disconcerting to say the least.

[fooj]

144. This is ridiculous. It was dead silent when Shrub walked in...

It matters not what anyone chooses to "believe"...what matters is TRUTH. There was ONE applause that was lead by about six civilians in the first row. There was a type of barricade between Shrub and the troops. On each side of the podium, right beside him, he had two SS positioned. (to protect him from his own military?) From what I read the following morning and on the internet the evening of "Shrubsongs"... MANY media outlets reported that there was silence as he entered the room. *NO* applause. Period.

[indepat]

17. The entire saga of W's stewardship will require revisionism

on a scale heretofore unfathomable.

[helderheid]

19. Contact them!

http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus/

[goclark]

34. Tried but the submit button wouldn't work

Maybe they are getting too many responses.

[kwolf68]

24. Remember when MTV

Used to be a real voice? That station went the way of the Dinosaurs.

[dogday]

28. Propaganda for Kids

my child won't be watching it...

[Shredr]

33. I'll be curious to hear MTV's reply

If you get one.

[Jackpine Radical]

37. I just sent the following email to the posted link:

Subject: Why are you doctoring the news?

When the President entered to make his Tuesday evening speech, there was no applause. As you accurately noted on your website,
{E}ven in front of a hand-picked group of military officers, the commander in chief was met with stony silence as he entered the hall and the rallying speech featured only one applause line, which, according to a commentator on CBS, was initiated by one of the president's advance staff.
Nevertheless, the sound track of your video clip carries the sound of loud applause. The only reasonable conclusion would seem to be that you have edited the video to give the false impression that Mr. Bush was greeted with enthusiasm by the troops.
This is not only irresponsible journalism. It is promulgating a dangerous, politically charged lie. I think you owe your viewership an apology and an explanation of your reprehensible distortion of the truth.

{Jackpine Radical}, Ph.D.

[UdoKier]

38. You actually watch MTV "News"?

That channel has been unwatchable for almost 15 years now.

I remember when they used to have music videos...

[Enraged_Ape]

49. MTV has been absolutely worthless for more than 20 years

Remember when they used to show (gasp) music videos? I think Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse of the Heart" was the last decent video they ever showed.

Before the mid-80s, MTV was an avant-garde, interesting experiment. Now it's just a megacorporate sales machine, a 24-hour TV commercial worse than any tampon ad.

[dbonds]

60. I very much agree.

Seemed to happen about the time the first round of VJ's left, slightly before. Now it is them trying to tell everyone what they should be listenning to. It is geared toward kids, and I think it does work on them.

[Enraged_Ape]

105. I agree; the change happened when the original VJs left.

I used to know Alan Hunter. He went to my church (believe it or not) in Tarzana, CA, and he was a really nice guy. He, the late J.J. Jackson, Mark Goodman, Martha Quinn, and Nina Blackwood used to just introduce the darn music videos in a somewhat entertaining fashion. They never seemed to desperately, breathlessly attempt to inject themselves into the music industry stardom machine per se.

After those original VJs left, MTV hired a bunch of no-talent pretty-boy teeny-boppers to take over, and it's been straight downhill--style over substance--ever since.

[nolabels]

84. You watch tampon ads too?

:spray:

p.s, I haven't watched much tv as of late, but sounds like I am not missing much :hi:

[Enraged_Ape]

101. Only if I'm strapped to a chair with my eyelids clamped open

like the 'Alex' character in A Clockwork Orange.

But it's refreshing to see that all the feminine protection ads still use BLUE food-coloring to demonstrate the absorbency of their products.

[nolabels]

115. Just don't flush em down the John if your house has a septic system

To be honest this color thing does have me confused though, but I know they wouldn't want to use that other primary color of yellow


http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/index_sillywordplay.html

P.s. them viagra commercials are just as embarrassing for men and corporaters find it convenient to embarrass for the attention it attains

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. Someone should give the scoop to CNN or MSNBC

Lord knows Faux Views will 86 it.

[helderheid]

54. Media Matters should be contacted too

www.mediamatters.com

[helderheid]

68. just alerted them

[helderheid]

95. autoreply

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[johnaries]

53. Ask them where they got the clip. I doubt they taped it themselves.

I'll bet it came from the WH Press unit.

[librechik]

56. good point n/t

[MissB]

55. How odd.

I watched it from the beginning the other night, and there was no applause at the beginning. None.

[helderheid]

58. they have mtvnews online

I'm watching now hoping to see that clip - so far not yet

http://www.mtv.com/pmc/index.jhtml#Scene_1

[stevietheman]

61. The beginning of 'ApplauseGate'?

With some people reporting that they've seen or heard this mostly applause-less speech with lots of inserted applause, do we have the makings of a new scandal? Could we use this to demonstrate the Bush/MSM mafia?

[helderheid]

62. I FOUND IT ONLINE!!! I FOUND IT ONLINE!!! THEY DID DOCTOR IT!!

http://www.mtv.com/pmc/index.jhtml#

Scroll to bottom - link to "MTV News Afternoon Edition"

It's the news story called "Diener Motivated by Soilder" and by GOD THEY ADDED APPLAUSE!!!!

[helderheid]

65. story after John Mayer

[IChing]

66. The news on the speech is reported on MTV as such:

I couldn't find the download but found a written report of the speech.


But even in front of a hand-picked group of military officers, the commander in chief was met with stony silence as he entered the hall and the rallying speech featured only one applause line, which, according to a commentator on CBS, was initiated by one of the president's advance staff.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1504911/20050629/index.jhtml?headlines=true

[helderheid]

69. now who reads MTV news??

:)

The MTV crowd WATCHES MTV

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Save it before it gets re-edited

and send it to mediamatters.org and CNN or MSNBC (or both). Suggest a scoop.

This would be a good time to cc Jon Klein and test his willingness to put real news stories out there. The real news being...who edited it and why?

[helderheid]

70. I wish I could save it

they have some funky format - let's try this link

mms://a1377.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1377/14176/v001/mtvcomstor.download.akamai.com/8601/_!/mtv.com/news/overdrive/daily/2005/june/29/noon/od_noon_6_29_05_headlines.wmv?auth=caCbwabdhbbdrajcua3drbMbpblcRczdtdh-bcXc.u-dHa-xCFzuD&aifp=v1

[helderheid]

72. cut and paste the following into your browser and it works

mms://a1377.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1377/14176/v001/mtvcomstor.download.akamai.com/8601/_!/mtv.com/news/overdrive/daily/2005/june/29/noon/od_noon_6_29_05_headlines.wmv?auth=caCbwabdhbbdrajcua3drbMbpblcRczdtdh-bcXc.u-dHa-xCFzuD&aifp=v1

[helderheid]

74. see if you can't right click and "save target"

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=Produced%20by%20MTV%20Networks&link=mms%3A%2F%2Fa1377.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net%2F7%2F1377%2F14176%2Fv001%2Fmtvcomstor.download.akamai.com%2F8601%2F%5F%21%2Fmtv.com%2Fnews%2Foverdrive%2Fdaily%2F2005%2Fjune%2F29%2Fnoon%2Fod%5Fnoon%5F6%5F29%5F05%5Fheadlines.wmv%3Fauth%3DcaCbwabdhbbdrajcua3drbMbpblcRczdtdh%2DbcXc.u%2DdHa%2DxCFzuD%26aifp%3Dv

[helderheid]

75. I can't get it to save - if anyone can, let me know how please

[HR_Pufnstuf]

63. Who? "Empty V"??

nt.

[progressivebydesign]

73. Kicking for the bullshit MTV "news" EXPOSED!!! n/t

[helderheid]

77. ditto

[natrat]

86. FUCK MTV

[LynneSin]

89. MTV Viewers = recruits. Military commericals are scary on that channel

I admit, I watch TV because I love 'Pimp my Ride' and I still watch 'Real World' after all these years.

There are military commericials played all the time and they are extremely scary. These commericals try to make the miliary look like it's a freaking video game.

I'm not sure how or why the applause was added but it makes me wonder if someone was pulling strings in order to 'entice' the viewers into thinking that joining the military is a good thing just look at all these 'happy' soldiers

[helderheid]

94. That really pisses me off

[helderheid]

96. recommended

[FreedomAngel82]

107. Very interesting

I wonder why.

[helderheid]

121. by the way...

GOOD FIND. Thanks for alerting us.

[rumpel]

126. Yes.

[MiniMandaRuth]

123. Okay. Go soldiers but I just know that MTV's out to get us!

I mean, first they kill off the REALLY GOOD music out there and now this...

What's next?

[rumpel]

125. MTV should be held accountable for creating propaganda to recruit our kids

This is outrageous. Teens get their news from MTV.
I want an explanation, who ordered this? Who paid for this "sweetening".

[helderheid]

127. I agree - I don't see how it can be seen any other way

It is totally disgusting.

[paineinthearse]

128. Who is MTV's corporate owner? nt

[helderheid]

129. I believe someone said Viacom

[paineinthearse]

131. Figures nt

[helderheid]

132. someone should call Malloy about this

[helderheid]

135. the video is no longer available online

Who else saw it besides me?

[BlueStateBlue]

137. Well, to me that's evidence that it was a silent protest

on the part of the soldiers, and it was not planned that way. Otherwise, why have it altered?

[Cha]

140. bush still didn't get a bounce

from this speech no matter how much applause mtv added.

"Released: June 30, 2005
No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech; Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation; Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq. The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.

Just one week ago, President Bush’s job approval stood at a previous low of 44%—but it has now slipped another point to 43%, despite a speech to the nation intended to build support for the Administration and the ongoing Iraq War effort. The Zogby America survey includes calls made both before and after the President’s address, and the results show no discernible “bump” in his job approval, with voter approval of his job performance at 45% in the final day of polling. Where voters live has some impact on their perceptions. The President’s job rating remains relatively strong in the South, with 51% rating his performance favorably; in all other regions, those disapproving his performance are in the majority."


More..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3992653

[Nothing Without Hope]

141. And isn't this a perfect microcosm of what has happened in the media?

Canned applause piped in because it's all entertainment. Slapstick, really.

Let's DU their foolish, empty ears off on this travesty. Those poor soldiers deserve to have their silence respected. They were imported, without their wish, to be an enthusiastic backup, a prop. They refused in the only way they had.

What MTV did is not only a signficant lie, it dishonors the troops that gave their true opinion in their stony silence.

[helderheid]

142. Fuck MTV for the lie and the cover up

[Incitatus]

143. Yayyyyyy!

The chocolate rations have been increased to 20 grams.