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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:12 PM
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60minutes: A little known part of No Child Left Behind act...
requires all schools to give the military ALL the HOME PHONE NUMBERS of Juniors and Seniors in High School.


THey love to target poor people and little towns, an "Economic draft" an interviewer called it :mad:

:banghead: :argh:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:16 PM
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1. Are you serious?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:20 PM
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5. Yes it is true
Part of the data includes race and complete transcript.
Target the students with the lower grade points.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:23 PM
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6. Sadly, tis true.
Any school receiving any federal $$ are required by NCLB to provide all contact info for students to military recruiters.

Teen years are a time when parents and kids normally have some rocky days. So recruiters have kid's names, addresses and phone #s. They can court underage kids without parental consent.

Imagine finding out on your kid's 18th birthday that he/she signed on the dotted line first thing that morning after being hounded/courted for two years by recruiters without your knowledge! It is happening!

The only way to prevent the schools from giving out your kids' contact info is to sign forms instructing them NOT to give it out. Without you taking action to OPT OUT of this, the DOD will be given your childrens' info and they can send recruiters out behind your back and without your permission.

Amazing, isn't it?

And DOD has since hired private company to compile imfo on teens for their use.

Parents: Sign the forms and get the word out to others.
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:30 PM
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8. Reminds me of the AMA (I think)
trying to get legislation passed that would give hospitals the right to take your ORGANS unless you OPT OUT. Good grief! What next?
My kids, my heart...
my wife?

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:39 PM
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10. Actually, I support the AMA legislation
because one of the worst jobs I had was to approach families as soon as someone died and ask if they wanted to donate the organs. That is NOT the time to ask people in shock, and screaming was the nicest reaction for most of them.

Once they'd thought about it for a while, they reconsidered and gave their approval. However, by that time the major organs (heart, lungs, liver and kidneys) were no longer viable. Only skin, bone, connective tissue and corneas could be harvested, and that was a crying shame.

People are dying because of this way of doing things, waiting for organs that simply become available after they can no longer be used.

Allowing people to opt out at the time they're admitted to a hospital would be a much better way, or opting out when a driver's license is renewed so that people will know their status BEFORE they die would be a far better way to do things. Assuming people who have not stated a preference wish to donate will work a helluva lot better than assuming they don't. Having them opt IN hasn't worked, because nobody who's sick enough to be in a hospital wants to think about things like that.

Most people who have donated a relative's organs find some peace in knowing a part of their family member is still alive and keeping another person alive.

It's time to try another way of doing things, because THIS way aint working.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:16 PM
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2. Perhaps everyone's attempts to get this little fact known and get parents
to be proactive and sign the papers necessary to have schools withhold their kids' contact info is the reason the DOD has hired a private company to gather information on teens for Pentagon.

Good work getting the word out people. Now we need to raise awareness that DOD spends tax $$ hiring PIs to snoop after the youths of America.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:17 PM
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3. That's pretty sick...
man, I would freak if the military called my kids at home.

Lucky I don't have any!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:10 PM
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17. My kids are in their 20s
and the recruiters started calling when they were 14.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:19 PM
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4. Yep, I knew this.
One daughter graduated last year, another is a senior this year. Got several calls last year. My husband answered them and joked around with them, which annoyed the hell out of me.

If I ever answer when they call for daughter #2, I'll tell them I'll give them 5 mins of my time when I see Jenna and NotJenna on the front lines. Until then, f**k off.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:34 PM
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9. Just hope they dont call when she picks up the phone...
I bet they try to time their calls when the kdis are home but the parents arent (from after school to 5pm and 'teacher work days')
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:23 PM
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7. Here's a link to the opt-out form (turn it in to your kid's high school)
Request For Non Disclosure Of High School Student Personal Information To Military Recruiters - (Section 9528 Request)
opt-out form at this link:
www.vfpwc.org/opt-out.html


The No Child Left Behind (and Unrecruited) Act

When the Federal "No Child Left Behind" education legislation was by Congress, slipped in was language that requires high schools to provide to military recruiters personal information about all 11th and 12th grade students so they can be contacted by these recruiters.

~snip~

At the present time, the only way a student, or their parent, can prevent the disclosure of private information to military recruiters is to sign an "opt-out" form and return it to the high school administration office. By clicking here, you can obtain a generic "opt-out" form that is legally binding and can be used at any high school in the United States. Also, work is being done by numerous groups, including Veterans For Peace, to challenge the "opt-out" rule to change it to an "opt-in" requirement, where unless a student, or their parent have given permission, high school contact information will not be given to recruiters unless prior permission has been given.

~snip~

Additional Internet Resources
No Child Left Behind Actand Release of Student Information to Military Recruiters: Section 9528 of the Reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act - www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html

No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) - www.nclb.gov
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:41 PM
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11. I hope this gets out more
:)
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:54 PM
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12. I sent the link & info to my Republican brother who has 3 boys...
two of whom are high schoolers. We'd talked a week or so ago and I gingerly broached the subject, knowing he's always been a Repub but also knowing how much he loves his boys - and also I hadn't heard him doing any flag waving about Iraq, ever. Sure enough, he agreed that Iraq is bullshit, & that none of our kids were going to be used a fodder for it. When I sent him the opt-out link, he replied with the ABC story about the Pentagon database being built... I think people are coming around, finally... Wrong is just WRONG, ya know?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:09 PM
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14. Believe it when he tells you he voted against a Repub for the first time.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:21 PM
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18. Oohh, nice form. I'm a senior this next year, I'm printing it out now.
Do you know when this has to be handed in by in order to be effective? I wonder if the school office is still open in the summer.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:07 PM
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13. REMINDER: The student needs their own form when 18
My daughter got a phone call the day after her 18th birthday. I had opted out, but she had not. So, the recruiters are calling now.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:04 PM
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15. I love how they tell us two years later. Luckily I knew about it and sign
ed that they could NOT release my sons info.

Great job, media....about 700 days late and a dollar short
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:09 PM
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16. I thought it was ALL secondary students
And considering that some kids are in secondary schools as young as 6th grade, I would like to know what the exact wording is.
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tibbir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:30 PM
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19. It's true - they called asking for my son all the time
his senior year. Thank goodness it stopped after he graduated .
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