Did Hitler express as much hatred as the GOP does

[Toots]

Toward the end of his time in power Hitler acted on his hatreds and killed or had killed a large amount of people but during his build up to power did he express as much hatred toward other human beings as the GOP currently does? Did people like his hatreds and is that why he became the all powerful one, or was he more subtle and devious?

[Beware the Beast Man]

1. Umm...yes. Yes he did.

I'd say just a tad bit more than the GOP, considering the cornerstone of National Socialism was the scapegoating of Jews and non-Aryans for Germany's troubles. :eyes:

[bryant69]

2. I'd have to agree

But it's closer than it should be.

Bryant
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[Toots]

3. Ane the scapegoating of Liberals and Gays for America's troubles??

Sorry I don't see much difference.

[tigereye]

4. none of those folks have been rounded up

and sent somewhere, have they? I certainly hope it never comes to that. I really think these Weimar- type comparisons are overblown...

I think there are some similarities in the sense of a curtailing of certain types of libterties for the "general good and protection"
(sarc), but I don't think we are anywhere near where Germany was as Hitler rose and consolidated power.

[Toots]

6. It was never insinuated that America was anywhere near what Germany became

I asked if the hatred being expressed today by the GOP was as vile as was Hitler's during his build up towards power. Not what he accomplished after a decade.

[tigereye]

19. sorry

guess that's what the op was implying, or that's how I read it.

[The Stranger]

9. Wrong.

People have been rounded up and sent somewhere. Maybe not those "folks" but others have. A few of them have been citizens, possible test cases for expanding the program.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

12. Gas chambers, ovens, MILLIONS of people.

Your comparison is shiite

[The Stranger]

14. It is the law that they seek to change.

The tragically myopic are telling us just to wait and see.

[tigereye]

20. I don't think it hurts to be vigilant and aware

and to call the leg. on crappy laws. But I always cringe when I see the hyperbole that this topic engenders...

[The Stranger]

23. Hyperbole just three years ago would have been saying that U.S. citizens

are in danger of being apprehended and held in custody indefinitely (and already for years) without charge.

Hyperbole no more.

[tigereye]

24. no that is reprehensible

but what is happening there is not on a grand scale throughout the US, but is the sad legalistic misinterpretation/misuse of army and war laws. And is finally being challenged by legitimate legal means.

[alarcojon]

10. We have to catch stages such as

rounding people up well before they ever happen. Couldn't we argue that we are in the early stages leading to that process? The scapegoating of immigrants, young black men and other men of color, LGBT people, feminists, and of course anyone looking Middle Eastern. Feel free to add to my list.

It is absolutely essential to emphasize that we are NOT living in a modern Third Reich, but that we are following a historical process which could, if unchecked, lead to those horrifying outcomes.

I think comparisons to the Nazis are very difficult to pull off in the mainstream media and among the general American public. They are too easy for the Rove search-and-destroy engine to caricature, and would draw more negative publicity than good, IMHO.

[Amonester]

13. Mind if I feel free to add to your list?

American Natives, the French (the sub-humans 'in their sick minds' they call Frogs...)

Same hatered.
Same failures.



Edit: added the mandatory 'in their sick minds' precision.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. You're absolutely right

A neoconservative screed looks like Greek philosophy compared to Mein Kampf. However, we aren't concerned with Kristol and Wolfowitiz here as much as we are dimmer lights.

There are examples of the very worst kind of scapegoating of Arabs and Muslims that compare to the Nazi scapegoating of Jews, but these come mostly from the lower depths of right wing opinion and not from the highest levels of official regime sources. I can't even find an utterance from Ashcroft that would be so bad. General Boykin's remarks are as bad as it gets even that high up. Otherwise, Christian funamentalist ministers like Franklin Graham, right wing hate radio hosts and other media personalities like Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter are independent of the political power structure; it is their rhetoric that approaches Nazi-style scapegoating.

The official rhetoric is designed to exploit the climate of hate that the right wing media (not to be confused with MSM in this case) have helped to create while avoiding the rabid character of such garbage.

[Beware the Beast Man]

21. I make the argument that the 3rd Reich=GOP parallel is a cheap and

convenient one for people to make, and it's also horribly inaccurate. Historically, the current situation in the US compares in no way to that of post-WWI Germany. I've said it before and I'll say it again, from an historical standpoint, we are much closer in comparison to the Gilded Age of the turn of the century than anything. Those who compare modern America to Third Reich Germany are only doing so on a series of what-ifs. It's a whole different ballgame.

[Jack Rabbit]

26. Concurring in part and dissenting in part

I will for this purpose define the Gilded Age as stretching from the end of the Civil War (1865) to the Theodore Roosevelt administration (1901-09), when serious efforts by the federal government were made to curb the excesses of private business.

Bush's domestic economic policy bears a striking resemblance to the Gilded Age. It's a laissez-faire approach that makes prosecution of all but the most outrageous white collar crime precarious.

One might even consider the Spanish-American War (1898) something similar to the war in Iraq. I can't think of any threat Spain posed to the United States; she was simply a weak political power whose colonies were ripe for picking. The US assumed control of Spanish colonies in the Caribbean and the Pacific and made its hold on Hawaii permanent. After McKinley's death, President Roosevelt continued and expanded US imperialist designs, especially in Latin America.

Nevertheless, the Maine explosion was nothing like the September 11 attacks. Even if one were to accept the discredited but then widely-held theory that the Maine sank as a result of Spanish sabotage, no one considered Spain a serious threat to invade the United States, in spite of Mr. Hearst's best efforts. Civil liberties were not curtailed and President McKinley did not desire any extraordinary powers other than those inherent in a conventional declaration of war. McKinley would never have joked about about how much easier things would be if he were a dictator. It was not his desire to concentrate power in the office of the president at the expense of the constitutional framework of checks and balances.

Bush is quite different. The September 11 attacks have been used as pretext to invade a state that had nothing to with the attacks and to pass police-state enabling legislation, something more similar to the reaction of the Reichstag fire (and, one should add, there is no conclusive proof that the Nazis had any hand in setting the blaze). Scapegoating is nothing new in America; free blacks living in the north were blamed for the Civil War by copperheads, German-Americans for World War I and Japanese-Americans for World War II. It shouldn't be surprising that there is some level of popular bigotry aimed at Arab Americans and Americans who follow the Islamic faith. However, given that the US was attacked by less than two dozen thugs not under the direction of any foreign government or even with explicit support from one, the level of hysteria and repression seems absolutely Kafkaesque and the war rhetoric has been simply Orwellian.

The response to the September 11 attacks has been off the mark and out of proportion. The mastermind of the attacks is downgraded in importance and efforts to capture him are all but abandoned; meanwhile, a tin horned dictator who had disarmed a decade prior to the attacks and had nothing to do with them became the focus of a major military offensive.

Something is very wrong with this picture. While it doesn't bear as striking a resemblance to twentieth-century totalitarianism as some would assert, it bears more of one than with which any of us should be comfortable.

[Beware the Beast Man]

28. Now that is an arguement I can seriously consider.

Thank you.
:thumbsup:

[eauclaireliberal]

5. RE: Did Hitler express as much hatred as the GOP does

Yes.

Also, keep in mind that in 1938, he was quoted as saying "we are doing the work of Jesus!"

'Nuff said.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. Did you post this to make Liberals look stupid?

[Toots]

8. Yes and you made it happen

:shrug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

11. how's that?

[King Coal]

16. Be nice.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. I would be if this weren't extremely inflamatory and insensitive.

As well as hurtful to our cause!

[King Coal]

17. Be nice, Toots.

[fujiyama]

22. Some of these threads

look like they've been started by freeper disruptors.

I've never been one to shut Nazi/repuke posters up, and in certain situations I think it's important to draw the parallels that do exist.

What kind of ignorant fool asks "Did Hitler express hatred?"

But are some of these threads for real?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

30. Exactly

I wonder if they aren't staged

[Kraklen]

27. I think it's a rhetorical question.

Yes, Hitler spouted off as much hatred as the GOP does.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. Spouted with ovens and Zyklon B - big freaking difference!

[The Magistrate]

18. Absolutely He Did, Mr. Toots

The open expression of hatred was the principle content of his speeches and writings from the earliest days of the Nazi party. Our Republicans today are mere pikers by comparison, though certainly a portion of their appeal to their followers is based on the same principle.

People who hate tend to be a little ashamed of doing so, because many elements of socialization teach people to frown on the emotion and its expression. They find it an extraordinarily liberating experience to encounter their hates expressed openly and forcefully in public. It makes them feel much better about themselves, and weds them tightly to the spraker who expresses the deepest and darkest emotions they feel, so loudly.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

32. Question - do you think that comparisons to Hitler and the GOP do our

cause good? I feel that they seem to make us look extremist (not to say that the Right hasn't pushed the debate from the center to the extreme)- to put it bluntly. I wonder if there isn't a comparison that doesn't touch on such obvious flashpoints of emotional partisanship. Does that make sense?

[noonwitch]

25. Yes, but he coupled it with supposed love for the pure germans

So the mass population bought into it.