Wow, I think America is FINALLY waking up! - Rove's comments

[housewolf]

After almost 4 yrs of being caught in a trance-state, it looks like more and more Americans are finally waking up, begininng to feel something besides fear again, and stand up for ourselves.


From a DailyKos diary by Hunter:
The White House Attack on Dissent

Mahablog:
"I'd like to ask Karl and his puppies to stand anywhere in the vincinity of Ground Zero and repeat Karl's fatuous, lying remarks to a crowd of New Yorkers.

Whole lotta liberals in New York. Whole lotta those liberal New Yorkers lost someone in the towers. Whole lotta liberal New Yorkers who lost someone in the towers might want to break Karl's jaw today. Karl would be well advised to keep his sorry ass out of New York from now on."

---

Some people are misunderstanding the nature of the backlash against Karl Rove and his latest attack against fellow Americans. There's nothing planned about it. It is real, and it is huge. Karl Rove, widely described as the most corrupting, immoral, "pathological" political hack in a nation awash in immoral political hacks, has taken it upon himself to attack a broad and deeply patriotic swath of Americans, including troops in the field, New Yorkers who lost loved ones in the towers, and anyone else who might actually have issues with the incompetent manner in which George W. Bush has cowboyed around the world roundly making a mess of the war on terror.

<snip>

Karl Rove's comments aren't a distraction from the Downing Street Memos, from Bolton, from Plame, and from the latest failures in Iraq. Rove's comments are the counterattack against anyone who dares bring those things up. They're part and parcel of an Administration that, only six months into this term, is in deep trouble, on all these fronts and others, and is attempting to stifle dissent. Well, we're not going to put up with that crap. We're not.

<snip>

Read more...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/24/152323/050

[coloradodem2005]

1. I'd break more than just his jaw.

That fat fuck.

[NEOBuckeye]

17. Just send him to The Hague and the International Criminal Court

They'll probably break him in more ways than than anyone can count.

[mitchum]

43. So would I...

so would I (and it would be a pleasure)

[baron j]

55. Probably nothing to break--it would be like punching a giant

amoeba, or a bowl of jelly. He would just divide into two. Better to shake some salt on him. That'll do the trick.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

64. great imagery! But I need photo shop help!

This big fat disgusting head...


needs to be on this body...


I'll be standing by...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

2. America is like a supertanker at sea...once she starts to sail in one....

...direction, it takes a lot to make her change direction.

But once she starts to turn, don't get in her way.

[babylonsister]

11. Great analogy!

[camby]

3. OK, Karl - just one question:

WHERE THE FUCK IS OSAMA BIN LADEN? you guys apparently had that response to 9/11 all wrapped up except for this one small detail.

[reBel_gyrl]

4. About bloody time!

People (on our side) are always saying "What is it going to take for America to WAKE UP?" And the things that finally get reactions, the things that do wake us up, are so outrageous, so wrong, it amazes me the levels that people must stoop to get "we the people" to stop ignoring what is going on. SO many things, so many people hurt and upset over such a vast number of horrors, lies, and atrocities, it's saddening. It takes THIS, all of this, to unite our country? Well, whatever it takes I suppose. At least we are finally realizing that even at opposite ends of the political spectrum (Reps vs Dems), we're still on the same side. (Unless you ask our governing body....)

[bilgewaterbill]

5. This is a non-starter.

Nobody gives a shit about Karl Rove.

[blue neen]

22. Oh, it's a starter all right.

When the White House issues a clarification of Rove's despicable comments, they're worried.

And BFEE gives a BIG shit about Karl Rove.

[bilgewaterbill]

36. The GOP will back Rove. The Dem's will attack him.

And The VOTERS don't give a shit.

[blue neen]

38. I respectfully disagree.

I think that the voters are beginning to care more and more. Did you see Lori Van Auken on Hardball tonight? She's a 9/11 widow. She said that Rove is just plain wrong in his comments. These people who were traumatized the most by 9/11 are the people that he hurt the most.

Rove jumped the shark on this one.

[Cha]

41. Good call..

"rove jumped the shark on this one"..

I love it that pataki, bloomberg, and that New Jersey repuke(doug forrester, running for governor) who they were campaigning for.. are all in the mix, too.

Let them all get mired down in rove's fatal rhetoric.

[blue neen]

46. Exactly.

New Yorkers and New Jerseyites are not going to forget Rove's calculated brutal remarks. And Pataki thinks it was perfectly all right. Tools, every one of them.

[Cha]

51. I just read on Truthout.org

that pataki called Hillary a "hypocrite" because she didn't ask Durbin to "apologize"..

"Mr. Pataki, who refused to criticize Mr. Rove, responded angrily, taking direct aim at Mrs. Clinton, who has maintained a wary truce with him since taking office. "I think it's a little hypocritical for Senator Clinton to call on me to repudiate a political figure's comments when she never asked Senator Durbin to repudiate his comments," he said."

Stupid pataki..Durbin was speaking the truth..rove was LYING as usual. pataki's not known for being the sharpest tool in the shed.



http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/062405Z.shtml

[ClintonTyree]

58. Pataki has this grandiose image of himself....

as Presidential material. New Yorkers hate his ass at this point, Eliot Spitzer is going to be our next Governor. Pataki thinks that as Governor of New York he can ride 9/11 all the way to the White House. He's just another of the GOP slime that want to capitalize on someone else's tragedy.
He is badly mistaken. He won't win one primary, then he'll be sent home with his greasy tail between his legs. He's a jackass of the first degree, just like our current pretzlenit. He believes he loved and adored by all when in reality, he's a pariah.

[Cha]

71. I physically get sick when pataki

gets his mug on tv bragging about what he's done for New York.

From his frothing in Florida to stop the vote count to hoisting himself on the 9/11 bandwagon, pataki has done nothing but shame himself.. FUBAR!

And bloomberg has hitched himself to the Ghoultrain..I hope New York City votes him OUT! :kick:

[Catrina]

54. I disagree

My Republican BIL told me yesterday that Bush should be impeached. He voted for him twice. This kind of rhetoric doesn't appeal to voters, because they KNOW it's a lie! Eg, we disagree on politics, but he knows that his family and friends who are Democrats would die for their country. Karl Rove does not speak for him.

My neighbor died on 9/11 and a woman I know lost her pregnant daughter that day. I can't begin to describe the anger she and her family have towards Karl Rove. She is a Democrat.

Last week my BIL heard about the DSM. He was outraged that he had seen nothing about it on the news. Today, he heard about Karl Rove's insane statement and he was angry.

These are voters, the anger is intense at Karl Rove. I went to the funeral of a neighbor, a man who was a real Democrat. He served in two wars, was a volunteer fireman all his life. He was buried with honors at Calverton National Cemetary.

He has a very big family and countless friends, fellow fireman all who remember what a patriotic liberal Democrat he was who was devasted by 9/11 and would have gone after the terrorists, himself, personally.

Karl Rove badly insulted him, his family, friends and fellow firemen and millions of other good, decent Americans like him.

Voters DO care what Karl Rove said, and the anger will grow, imo, as his words are repeated throughout the week ~

I would like to invite Rove to NY to meet with some of the people here that he insulted. Those of us online are used to Rove/Limbaugh troll behavior, trashing liberals, Democrats etc. But most Americans heard it for the first time last night! They definitely DO care!! He better apologize, but quitting would be better, and then prosecution.

What happened to the Valerie Plame case??

[flyarm]

66. well that says alot about people who follow the gop doesn't it!!

that they would support the lying piece of garbage called rove!!

from nj here!

and pssssssss..people here do not ignore it!!

maybe the fine people of kansas should wake the hell up!

[Spinzonner]

6. We should wish Karl well and hope he follows in the footsteps

of his predecessor and shining example: Lee Atwater.

[Auntie Bush]

27. I hope he follows in the footsteps of Raygun and gets a nasty

case of early onset Alzheimer's. There is nothing worse than that!
Then I wish someone would show photos of him in a nursing home wearing diapers with his limp little wiener hanging out.

[Daphne08]

72. "his limp little wiener..."

:rofl: :rofl:

[Independent_Liberal]

7. Rove shot himself right in the foot!

He pissed a lot of people off!

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[left is right]

9. not trying to sstart a flame war and I think rove is pure evil but

i object to posting of home addresses (or personal phone numbers). We howled like banchees when Dobson published Michael Moore's personal information. Rove evidently has children (didn't know that) and they may at some future date prove to be the spawn of Satan but right now they are presumably innocent children and do not deserve this kind of treatment.

[madeline_con]

21. The address didn't need to be posted....

for people to find the guy. Obviously, anyone in attendance can tell anyone else in the world where the incident happened.

[CrispyQ]

26. Generally I would agree, but

this group of thugs & their banker friends don't seem to concerned about the security of our personal information. They are happy to collect data on our high schoolers to use for recruiting purposes for their illegal war.

Gee Karl, it's a real bitch to have your personal info get out there & have someone use it against you, huh? Makes you feel violated, doesn't it?

[babylonsister]

12. We'll have to drop him a line! LOL! nt

[Algorem]

62. Where'd the address go?Now how am I supposed to deliver this flaming

bag of dogpoop?Hate it when I have to stomp these things out myself.

[truth2power]

32. He has children??? Yikes! n/t

[kliljedahl]

39. I'm surprised too

Does Jimmy/Jeff know that?


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Johnny Noshoes]

57. It actually has offspring

those poor kids.

[Dulcinea]

60. He has a son w/ a learning disability, I think. eom

[Johnny Noshoes]

10. Sent this to the NY Daily News today

Hey Karl,

This is one liberal New York Democrat, who saw from my office window ,when those planes hit the Towers. I was NOT thinking of sending them to therapy or looking to indict them that morning or any morning since that day.

[rodeodance]

13. Olbermann just did a good piece on this on Countdown

[rodeodance]

15. keith olbermann talks about Rove and therapy on his blog.-here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Karl Rove on Maple Street (Keith Olbermann)


NEW YORK — In the ravings of Karl Rove against liberals (and the ravings of liberals against Karl Rove), I am reminded of yet another in my endless supply of pop culture references: The Twilight Zone episode called "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street."

As political allegory, it was pretty simple, but also very effective.

Something, or someone, starts screwing with the lights and the electricity on an ordinary suburban street. Within minutes, the residents have concluded that aliens from outer space have invaded. As alliances and rivalries dissolve and re-form with incredible swiftness, these neighbors accuse each other of collusion with the invaders. One of them finally starts shooting. The director pulls back to a nearby hill, where sit two real aliens, one of whom sagely reminds the other that there's no need to actually attack any of these stupid humans — you can just scare them a little bit and then wait for them to tear themselves apart.

Think of how we responded — politically — to 9/11. First there was overwhelming non-partisanship. Years of deteriorating relations between the parties vanished; were even apologized for. And within three years the Republicans were insisting that a Democratic presidential victory would mean more terrorist attacks. This year our "leaders" started the Nazi references — Senator Byrd first, Senator Santorum next, most recently Senator Durbin.........

[Captain Hilts]

63. I want to have Keith Olbermann's baby.

We'll name it "Mookie." Oblermann's a sports guy, I think he'll go for that.

[Fridays Child]

14. A nasty bit of freeperbole in response to Kristen Breitweiser's comments:

"I'll just say it, Kristen Breitweiser is an unmitigated bitch." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430069/posts?page=44#44)

Sickening.

[NEOBuckeye]

18. Some people just can't deal with reality.

But eventually, it deals with them.

[Johnny Noshoes]

20. It is really easy

for those cowards to sit at a keyboard and say that but the little punks wouldn't dare say that to the woman's face.

[Missy Vixen]

53. Unfortunately, yes they would

>the little punks wouldn't dare say that to the woman's face.<

They brag about "FReeping" people like Sarah Brady. They also harassed a 12-year-old girl who wrote an essay about the American flag they didn't approve of a couple of years back; her parents' names, house address, telephone number, and a map to their house was printed on the website. That information remained on their website for several hours despite Robinson's assertion to me via e-mail that he would remove it. The FBI received all copies of correspondence, the link, and all text contained in it.

I'm sure these armchair commandos can't wait to bash Kristin Breitweiser. I'm sure it gets them all warm inside to think about what nasty thing they can say to her -- after all, her husband's too dead to go after any of them. Somehow, though, I'm thinking the rest of the Jersey Girls (and the rest of us,) got her back.

Julie

[Johnny Noshoes]

56. I've heard all sorts

of things about Freepers here but now I can see that these people are beyond hope.

[madeline_con]

23. It's Like the Springer show over there.

That many morons in one place boggles the mind.

[mom cat]

31. How many loved ones did that freeper loose in 9-11!

[Fridays Child]

44. Let's take a WAG.

Maybe...ZERO?

[tex-wyo-dem]

16. Rove can take his wedge issues...

and stick them up his turdblossom ass...

Fuck him!

[quaoar]

19. Another gem from a blogger:

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-conservatives-are-useless.html

Well, birdman, the 42nd ID is now in Iraq. A division largely made up of New Yorkers. If you've noticed John Kerry won New York handily. One could extrapolate (big word, I know, but it means conclude from facts) that many of those same Guardsmen were and are Democrats. That they vote for Democrats and that many might well be liberals serving their country. What the gutless turd Rove said is that these people didn't exist and only conservatives wanted to stop Osama.

As a New York, I find this the equvilient of blood libel. (You know, the lie that the Jews used Christian babies blood for matzoh). No one asked what party 343 firemen belonged to when they died, or the 34 policemen. No one asked what party nine members of the 69th Regiment, New York City's own infantry regiment with a lineage going back to WW I, were when they were killed in Iraq, two of whom were immigrants, one a Pakistani muslim. No one asked and no one cared.

To say that New Yorkers, who are 5-1 Democrats, are shirking from the service of their country is an insult to them and their service. No one asked for party enrollment when they took their oath and it is wrong to suggest that it matters now. Many New Yorkers, and Califonians as well, have died in the service of their country in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But, to you. birdman, I think it makes you feel all big and manly to say that. After all, you're not going to Iraq. You're not burying anyone killed there. So why should care if they're defamed by the President's aide? It doesn't effect anyone you know. right?

Let me explain something birdman: I smelled the dead in my windows for a week after 9/11. While you sat back and worried about some Sikh blowing up your mall, every time I took a breath, burning flesh and paper filled my nose. Every day, for a year, I opened the paper to read about yet another funeral. On nice, sunny days, I get reminded of 9/11.

Then, I get to read about how Congress wants to pull $125m in aid for Ground Zero workers.

So don't fucking lecture me about defending the people who protect my city. You don't drive by the firehouse memorials on every goddamn firehouse in the city. You don't see the stories about fucked up families left behind. You live in a fantasy world where big strong men kill the brown people and make you feel like a man. We know what they did for us far better than you ever will, no matter how much you pretend to understand. You don't. And you never will and you never want to.

[AceAlmighty82]

29. You couldn't have said it any better...

I don't live in New York City..I've never been..It's these kind of people that make me feel proud to be American. But I also feel kind of bad bc I haven't done a whole lot to help either. Our troops in Iraq shouldn't have to pay their own way just to save their own asses. On Father's Day of all days..this father had to pay $600 worth of equipment to make sure his son was fully equipped for his stay there.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1561689

I'm all for what he did but it shouldn't have been needed. Anyways, I hope to do my part sometime in the next couple of weeks and get a simple site going..it'd be a PayPal donation site with some links of stories like the one above and maybe a couple other things..not sure what tho.

[flyarm]

67. around christmas time i heard on the radio..that nj has very few national

guardsman left in the state...they are all in iraq!! and nj voted kerry..gee i wonder why??

could it be we all know bush was complicit in 9/11..you betcha!

nj knows bush is a lying sac of excrement..and rove is his puppet master!
i wont be happy till i see bush, cheney ,rove, rumsfeld and condi in orange suits ..with shackles at their wrists and ankles!

get these lying murdering pigs out of my government!!

[Straight Shooter]

24. Karl Rove - hoist with his own petard. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

25. What chokes me the most is that he was in the middle of MIHOP or LIHOP

on 9/11. I can't say any more, it's too much.

If you still doubt MIHOP or LIHOP on 9/11, listen to the historic hour and twenty minute Madison lecture of David Ray Griffin as a starting point. Links to online video and audio and other info in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x39690
Thread title: David Ray Griffin evidence Bush admin complicit in 9/11 - update & links

ed:typo

[manxkat]

30. boy, you said it

And, anyone who believes Rove and the neocon's story of what happened on 9/11 must be really, really gullible.

Now that more of their lies have surfaced, maybe more people in the country will wake up to the mother of all lies: 9/11.

David Ray Griffin's books and lectures are a great place to start. See my 9/11 page for links.

[CJCRANE]

45. It's like the stories you hear

occasionally of a guy who sets fire to a house so that he can go in and rescue a few people and be treated like a hero (when all along he was the cause of the problem in the first place).

[Nothing Without Hope]

49. Yes - but in this case, the people were killed and then thousands more

were killed and maimed and traumatized in a misdirected vengeance, all for political gain.

[Fritz67]

28. If only...

If only as many people had gotten this angry just one year earlier. It would've been even harder for them to steal the election.

[mom cat]

33. We were this angry, and we DID win the election, whitewashes

withstanding!

[newyawker99]

69. Hi Fritz67!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Fritz67]

73. Thanks

I live in the center of Indiana, so I hear a lot of conservative bullshit from everyone around me. Nice to be somewhere where the people have brains in their heads.

[tomreedtoon]

34. What makes you think this is important?

So another blogger stated his opinion. Big deal. Is Rove's house still standing? Are his children getting sneered at when they exit their limo for their school? Is his wife refused salon appointments because they don't want her or the protesters that follow her near their establishment? Most important, is George Bush still President?

Wake me up when something really happens.

[Faygo Kid]

35. Agreed. Call me when Rupert Murdoch is offended.

I'm sorry, but the levers of control are firmly in the hands of Karl Rove and his compatriot orcs. He did this for a calculated reason. He does nothing unless there is a calculated reason. Either it was to firm up the base in light of an impending Supreme Court appointment, or to begin the process of further "adventures" in the Middle East (Syria?) He did this to make himself a lightning rod. Something is coming.

[CJCRANE]

42. There was a certain leader...

in Eastern Europe who had absolute power, until one day, the selected crowd of supporters...booed.

Nothing lasts forever.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. Stalin???

I dunno, but THAT guy's reaction would probably be, get away, firebomb the meeting place, and kill anyone, anywhere, whose name or surname began with the same letter of anybody in the audience.

[CJCRANE]

70. It was Ceaucescu of Romania (AFAIK).

That was the turning point from what I recall and the first time he realised that he was unpopular.

[UTUSN]

37. YEATS: "All Hatred Driven Hence (Radical Innocence)

the Soul recovers RADICAL INNOCENCE
and learns at last that it is
self-defeating, self- (something)
self-appeasing

and that its OWN SWEET WILL
Is HEAVEN's Will.


from "Prayer for My Daughter," 1919

[Faygo Kid]

40. A Man's Soul Should Exceed His Grasp, or What's a Heaven For?

Thanks for reminding me of one of my favorites. I used to quote poetry. Of course, I used to get laid, too, but not much in my 50s now. Oh well, the play's the thing.

[PATRICK]

74. self-affrighting

n/t

[ArnoldLayne]

47. I think we need to have peaceful protests at his home

again. Which will upset his rich neighbors and in turn they will hate hate the fact that this scumbag is disrupting their nice neighborhood.

[jmcon007]

48. Karl Rove likes to call Lee Atwater his mentor. Well, if he really

would like to follow Atwater all the way, maybe he should begin apologizing to all the people he has slimed in his life.
When Lee Atwater was dying of cancer, he asked forgiveness from those he viciously attacked while calling himself a Christian.
Is this the one lesson Rove refuses to consider? Apparently.

[spindoctor]

50. Even Savage and his callers were ranting against Bush tonight

Be it about not paying respect to fallen marines.

He then continued to blame the death of the three boys in New Jersey on the UCLA, the quagmire in Iraq on Ted Kennedy, the war on terror in general on gays and I'm not sure who he blamed for the dead marines, but women should not serve in the army, law enforcement or firefighting brigades.

Oh...and Asians can't be firefighters either.

I don't normally catch his show. What a lunatic. lol

But anyway, Bush was spineless, immoral and ummm...wanting it both ways (whatever that was supposed to mean).


All this during my 20 minute ride home.

:LMAO:

[Fridays Child]

52. I don't know how Dan Bartlett avoided being struck by lightning...

...when he tried to say that Rove's comment was directed at the extremists at moveon.org, and the fact that Democrats were so upset by the comment only proves their close affiliation with that group.

By the way, little Danny, if moveon.org is a fringe group, the fringe is bigger than the middle. But you already knew that, didn't you?

[ClintonTyree]

59. I wouldn't draw any conclusions...

about the American public "waking up" just from a few posts at DailyKos. If it was freerepublic, that might be a different story.
I DO think that a segment of the public is slowly realizing that bush isn't the strong, never wrong, steadfast, world leader he portrays himself to be, but there are still far too many Americans that are intellectually lazy enough to buy what he's selling. We'll NEVER convince these die hard morons that their leader is a total waste of space on the planet. They'll adore him until the bitter end, and that end WILL come sooner, rather than later.

[truth_is_extreme]

61. from waking up to actually doing something

is a long, long distance.

In any event, the computer thefts of elections 2006 and 2008 have already taken place and there's nothing anyone can do about them.

The neo-cons have destroyed America and WW3 (The Rapture) has already begun.

[mongo]

75. Sorry, but the fight isn't over yet.

We shall overcome. Take your defeatist attitude elsewhere.

[truth_is_extreme]

78. Being realistic

is not being defeatist. Cliches like "We shall overcome" convince me that Bush has virtually no serious opposition in America.

[flyarm]

65. from THIS JERSEY GAL...he better stay out of new jersey as well!

from a post 9/11 retiree crew member of one of the airlines involved who grew up in middletown nj..the town that lost the most americans in the wtc..he better stay far far away from me ...and my family...
that little whinning piece of excrement!! the little gutless wonder who was too afraid to fight for his country when he "could have"..and now he is going to try to tell us northeasterners anything..why my brothers could break his little .....--- without even trying!

i hate that little piece of garbage, that others, in other parts of the country give creedance to! he is a yellow bellied piece of horse dung!

stay away from nj ! you gannon loving porn pimp rove!!

[Imagevision]

76. Rove?: when you can't say anything? - make something up

Rove as a nobody in a new york bar would get busted up bigtime making those remarks. Rove- ha-ha - you can't touch me as 6 young ladies lose their lives for a phoney war.

[weldon berger]

77. Rove did NOT take this upon himself!

This is not Karl Rove speaking for himself. This is Karl Rove speaking for the White House. I'm on the White House press office distribution list, and the text of Rove's speech was sent out to that list at 10:22 AM Thursday morning. You can read the full text at the end of this post.

Make no mistake: Rove's speech was vetted by the White House, it was distributed by the White House and it represents the official views of the White House. They're George W. Bush's words as much as Rove's, and he should be held equally responsible.

[BOYLANE]

79. Why has it taken soooooooo long?!

If America, the narcoleptic half of America, is waking up, why has it taken so long?! It's not as if we Liberals--or anyone willing to take a look at what's been happening to our country--haven't been shouting from the rooftops the corruption, incompetence and shear jingoistic audacity of these madmen and women. IT"S ABOUT F@(&!^G TIME!