White House defends Rove's comments

[wicket]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/06/23/national/a090505D35.DTL

The White House defended Rove's remarks and accused Democrats of engaging in partisan attacks. Rove, said spokesman Scott McClellan, "was talking about the different philosophies and our different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism."

:puke: :puke: :grr:

[LaurenG]

1. Rove is the bait

and we bit. Now comes the spin.

[earthside]

34. No, Durbin was the bait.

Durbin was the bait ... and the squeamish Democrats took the bait. Durbin apologized for the truth and handed Rove a stick with which to beat the rest of the national Democrats.

Why is everyone surprised or "outraged" that Rove spins the Durbin statement of truth and apology into something completely different?

I'm only surprised that the Democrats in Washington, D.C. (except the Congressional Black Caucus), keep falling for Rove's tricks time after time.

Now, you can be absolutely assured that Rove WILL NOT apologize for what he said ... Indeed, he will step-up his attacks. THAT is what Durbin should have done!

Until Democrats stick to their principles and show they can take a punch and are willing to defend themselves ... well, until that day comes they're just going to be defined by Bush and Rove as so bad that eventually they won't even vote for themselves.

[adigal]

113. I wish I could rate you and give you a 4****

Excellent observation.

[IChing]

37. Agreed, it was a calculated statement Rove made for a reason

"Don't forget that these statements are meant to outrage you. You're a targeted audience They're meant to perpetuate a state of maximal polarization in this country -- the state of affairs most suited for vampires like Mr. Rove to suck the nation dry. "

-- Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

This is a means to capture debate and distraction to the populace. The flag debate,
the support our war debate, patriotism, etc. Typical Machiavellian and Gobbles tactics to maintain control by polarization.

[rfranklin]

78. Look lower down: "Hagel says U.S. losing war on terror"

That's why they are stirring things up. They are hurting bad. They have very little support for their massive fuckups around the world. But, if they can create chaos, the opportunity to steal more and create more misery is much greater.

[IChing]

83. It was calculated to create chaos no doubt about.

Rove is a master at this, I never "misunderestimated" him
to quote the bushenfurher

[krystine]

104. Rove is the bait to stop DSM news.

I can not believe that the statements are not to stop the momentum that the Downing Street Memo is getting. Rove knows any talk of them will make the numbers plummet for Bush and that W. can not stand any close inspection concerning his war.

[emrenz]

100. The "Spin"

And we let them spin it...instead of standing up and demanding action. We need to stop being afraid!

[rodak7]

110. Rove and reality

I'm an ex-pat down here in New Zealand. I still vote and am concerned about my country. I try to follow what's going on and get a feeling for the mood of America but I have to say things look very weird from down here in Kiwi land. Is it a falso impression or are Americans finally going to do something about the moral lepers who are running the country? Your real impressions of the mood in America would be great to hear. People down here just shake their heads in wonder, as do I.

[Jersey Ginny]

117. We are wacked

It has got to be weird and very worrysome to the rest of the world have a country who sits on enough "nucular" weapons to destroy the world a bunch of times to be sounding and behaving as aggressively and stupidly as we are. North Korea is a deeply troubled country, but they don't sit on enough nukes to wipe out civilization. It's scary/weird from where I sit to here in NJ. We have utter disdain for the rest of the world, we are now liars and torturers. The goodwill built up from decades of post WWII collaboration is gone, I fear. How's New Zeland? What is their politics like?

[rodak7]

119. being in New Zealand

Being down here is like getting a breath of fresh air. I'm really fortunate since I have both citizenships, being born here with an American dad. The people here are actually rational and intelligent. We have semi-socialised medicine, a reasonable social structure for support of families, living wages, almost zero unemployment, provide support to full time college students, lower taxes than the US, run a surplus in our budget, don't screw with the rest of the world, are innovatice and positive, and enjoy ourselves. I gave up a pretty good engineering position in the states to go to wine making school at university here (I'm pretty old) and frankly have felt such a lightening of pressure since I left that it's amazing. Petrol cost a fortune here, it just went up to $1.31 NZ/liter - about USD 3.60/gallon. Politics here is considerably more civil but the TV news reporters aren't afraid to ask tough questions. It is quite entertaining watching them actually demand answers during interviews. We have our problems too, but ...

Having the internet lets me sort of keep up with things, thanks to sites like this one. I've just been getting weird vibes this last week or so and wondered if it was my imagination or maybe something is happening in the Northern hemisphere. Hope so.

[The Animator]

122. Wow, New Zealand, it looks beautiful from what I've seen in LOTR.

It looks like a beautiful counrty. It was, and still is my escape plan if Bush declares himself emperor over here. Know if Weta Digital is hiring right now? I know their "big monkey" picture is due out this xmas, and Narnia must have them swamped. I'd have sent them a demo reel ages ago if it didn't cost like $80 bucks to send a video tape and plastic binder, I checked.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. So Rove launches a partisan attack

a rather disgusting one I might add, and then Democrats are accused of engaging in a partisan attack in their defense?
WTF?

[lancdem]

14. WTF is right

[tavalon]

105. Standard Operating Procedure

The Dems need to stop being cowed by his bullying antics.

[TahitiNut]

124. It's far more serious than that.

As I've tried to portray in this thread, Rove (and now the White House) has proved that any kind of trust, quid pro quo, or cooperation from the left (or middle) will be betrayed. They've shown that they have no hesitancy whatsoever to violate any kind of agreements, understandings, laws, or oaths.

With Rove's comments and the White House's defense, they've demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that they have no honor, no morals, and no ethics, and are completely unworthy of any kind of trust, public or personal.

[IndyOp]

3. Dems should shut down US Senate until WH apologizes

See this thread:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3928966>

:kick:

[ClintonTyree]

57. They should have shut it down....

instead of caving on the "compromise" to bush's extremist judge appointments.
The Dems have lost all sense of direction, save Howard Dean and a few others, and are always backpedaling.
I AM SO SICK OF THIS SHIT! :grr: Rove comes out and says something completely false and downright STUPID, yet he's lauded for his remarks.

DEMOCRATS, TAKE NOTICE. THE OTHER SIDE DOES NOT BACK DOWN OR APOLOGIZE. YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER! TAKE OFF THE KID GLOVES AND GIVE THESE BASTARDS A BLOODY NOSE! SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN, NOW!

(end of rant)

KARL ROVE IS A FESTERING PUSS WART!

(sorry, I had to get that in there)

[IndyOp]

99. KARL ROVE IS A FESTERING PUSS WART!

No need to apologize for that!

:rofl:

[formerrepuke]

4. which basically means "Rove defends Rove comments"

[dogday]

5. Yes It Is Always Ok When They Do It

If a Democrat had said that about Republican, they would be up in arms demanding burning at the stake. Come Democrats, grow a pair and show us we can believe in your leadership....

[sasquatch]

6. Meanwhile Joe Biden still attacks Howard Dean

:eyes::argh:

[GiovanniC]

45. The Standard Democratic Response

As detailed here:

Democratic Response: Standard Operating Procedure

[joanski0]

7. Hillary read the quote from the Post

about what Rove said to Rummy at the Senate Armed Services hearing today. Rummy had no comment. Said he didn't know who said it. But he said "I know I didn't say that".

When she told him that Rove said it, Rummy still had nothing to say.

[sattahipdeep]

54. ``The time is up,'' one investigator said.

U.N. Uncovers Torture at
Guantanamo Bay


Thursday June 23, 2005 5:16 PM

AP Photo GE111

By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER

Associated Press Writer

GENEVA (AP) - U.N. human rights investigators said Thursday
they had reliable accounts of detainees being tortured at the
U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but the United States had
not responded to repeated requests to check conditions there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5093928,00.html

[central scrutinizer]

8. Be careful Snotty...

Any objective analysis shows that Bushco's approach to the "war on terrorism" has been a dismal failure - record number of attacks worldwide, ranks of Al Qaeda and like-minded groups swelling, increased distrust of the US.

[G_j]

17. how dare you say that!!

I demand an apology !! :sarcasm:
:sarcasm:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Of course he won't resign.

Who else would run things?

[librechik]

10. we need a pitchforks and torches emoticon

:mad: doesn't quite do the job

:nuke: is overkill

Rove deserves a graphic that emotes on crooks who steal from honest folks by lying.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. No. Rove was making false characterizations

in an ongoing effort to demonize Democrats. It is inappropriate for the President's Chief Advisor to make such statements.

If the GOP wants to own 9/11, then they need to be transparent about the facts and quit the stonewalling.

[CJCRANE]

38. They already own it.

It was bought and paid for by their "allies".

[azmesa207]

102. Rove On ( 9/11)

What was Bush doing on (9/11) Oh yea Reading MY PET GOAT

[tk2kewl]

12. Keep the pressure on the WH.

I think more and more people are seeing through their charade. The debate over who's position is what in regard to terrorism and the war in Iraq is a debate the cannot win.

This is the perfect forum in which to bring up their betrayal of Congress and the public trust (DSM) and their incompetence in Iraq.

[dbonds]

13. Buscho philosophy

LIHOP/MIHOP. Run and hide while it is happenning. Then abuse every bit of sympathy you can. Then mind control those that stay in perpetual fear because it happenned. Use it as an excuse to take over the worlds oil production and to invade 3 countries (counting Iran - if they can be pre-emtive so can I)

[CantGetFooledAgain]

30. That's it in a nutshell. (nt)

[Tamarin]

15. Alright, so McClellan has stated the obvious,

but the premise of those *different philosophies and approaches to winning the war on terrorism* is not true.

[confludemocrat]

16. Notice the "difference in philosophy" rhetorically

They counterattack even under the most egregious offenses they commit. When will we wise up? I think we are beginning to. (I hope)

[wurzel]

18. Rove called Sen Durbin a traitor. There is no other interpretation.

This is from a Rove speech reported in the NYT today. "Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year?" Mr. Rove asked. "Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."The MOTIVES of the Liberals like Sen Durbin? What MOTIVES does Rove have in mind? That is as close to calling a US Senator a traitor as it gets. He should be forced to answer.

[MadisonProgressive]

53. According to Rove

Durbin is purposely putting our troops in danger. AND LOVING IT!!
:mad: :nuke: :puke:

[wurzel]

96. Where is the media now? Still bashing Dean?

[jmaier]

19. Mayor Daley -- regard this statement.

While I find Rove's comments despicable and the WH's response predicatble, perhaps Daley and others could take a page from their playbook?

[Susang]

76. Daley is partly to blame for this situation

Durbin made his apology just hours after Daley lambasted him for his comments in front of the press. According to this morning's Chicago Tribune, Daley's vicious attack on his speech was the mitigating factor in Durbin's decision to apologize.

Daley has a lot to answer for, both for his remarks and for his recent actions as "da mayor". His approval rating is at it's lowest in history. I'm actually wondering if he'll manage to get re-elected in the next election.

[JRob]

20. someone's smokin' somethin'

[GeekMonkey]

88. That's insulting, Bush is a coker/drunk, not a pot head

Pot heads are much much much smarter than cokey mcChimpspoon

[JRob]

112. The chimp probably "Lungered" with the best of 'em

I've know plenty who partied and still managed to be assholes...

[AnneD]

126. Hello JRob

love the 2nd photo...ain't it the truth.

[htuttle]

21. Learn a lesson from this!

Rove attacked Democrats for statements they DIDN'T EVEN MAKE.

So even if the middle-of-the-road types in the party get Howard Dean and the rest to pipe down and stop making what they consider 'controversal' statements, it won't matter. Rove and the Republicans will STILL attack the Democratic party for stuff they DIDN'T say.

So we might as well speak our piece.

Lesson over.

[JRob]

22. the louder the better!

[The Magistrate]

47. Quite Right, Mr. Tuttle

The time has come for counter-attack....

"The whole art of war consists in a well-reasoned and circumspect defense, followed by audacious attack."

[proud patriot]

69. good point htuttle

:thumbsup:

[enigmatic]

82. You got it

No more fucking apologies from Democrats- EVER! Fight to get this country back; don't willingly hand it over to the GOP.

[ucmike]

23. they are masters of redirection

they attack, then accuse others of attacking
the lie, and call others liars
they steal, and accuse others of theft
they are broiling in scandal, and blame the accusers, nevermind that they are guilty.

they're rubber, we're glue.
they want us to stop saying things about them, so they're not constantly forced to redirect the accusations and blame everyone else.

[scdusek]

26. Right on. Exactly right.

But who are the sheeple who keep believing in this BS?

[ClintonTyree]

79. They're over at.....

freerepublic. Please, check your brain at the door before entering the web site. That format of their site mirrors the Slug mentality. Amateurish, out of date and in need of some major reconstruction. But the freeps never notice that RimJob is stealing their money and not putting anything back into the site. That's how stupid they are.

[Stirk]

24. That's how you do it, Dems. Pay attention and fucking wise up.

You don't collapse, you don't apologize, and you don't fucking attack your own team.

[scdusek]

25. Is anyone surprised by this reaction?

I'm certainly not. Of course, run little Scotty out to send the message. That guy is a lousy sack of sh*t. If I ever need comedic relief, all I have to do is listen to his daily press conference. It's no wonder Ari Fleischer quit as press secretary and kept a tiny shred of decency.

Desperation, indeed.

[wicket]

28. I never thought anyone could make me miss ol' Ari....

But Scotty sure does.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[HughBeaumont]

27. Rove + McClellan = two closeted pigshits.

Scotty 2 Hotty is playing his usual role as Charlie McFistee for King Pigshit, Poppy and the Bloodthirsty Vampire Spider Dick Cheney.

Why can't we live in an era of bloody revolution? In olden times, these lame duck bastards would be paraded through the streets on stakes.

[pointsoflight]

29. Use the comments against them--go on the offensive!

Rove's comments, although undoubtedly intended as a diversion, actually gives us a great opportunity to call attention to the reality of the situation:

Democrats and republicans were completely united in going after Al Queda, the 9/11 attackers. But they Bush turned away from Al Queda and focused on an illegal, unjustified war in Iraq, based completely on lies. Now over 1700 Americans have died in that unjustified war, and in the meantime, Al Queda is bigger than ever and Bin Laden remains free.

[wicket]

35. All great points!

:thumbsup:

[sattahipdeep]

59. Free Forever

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1332757

[ClintonTyree]

103. And our offense will be...

launched, where? The MSM? All we have is Air America, some web sites and blogs. The GOP owns the media, they're not going to listen to us or bite the hand that feeds them. Do you know something I don't about getting this despicable event exposure? :shrug:
I agree, we need to go on the offense, but where?

[Oversea Visitor]

31. OK YOU 911 expert

in the 911 group
Start crafting some petition to grill the white house for answer
Dont care what just demand answer
unlock withold evidence
lost of thing to ask
demand for answer for airline stock speculation
MAKE THEM SWEAT

[ibegurpard]

32. And this is how Democrats should respond to this kind of shit

Instead of, just like recent examples, trying to position themselves by joining in the denunciations and caving into the demands for apologies.

Now, as for this incident, the Democrats should continue to make this an issue.

[suegeo]

33. Karl Rove is a skunk.

P-U Karl

[ComerPerro]

36. So was Durbin. He was just noting that Bush's philosophy on POWs

is strikingly similar to those used by Hitler.

[Azathoth]

39. Rove stepped over the line with this one

and there's nothing McClellan can do about it, no matter how much he spins. Rove's ego and arrogance finally got the best of him. The guy walked into Manhattan and basically accused everyone who doesn't enthusiastically support Bush's politics, including most of New York and many of the families directly affected by 9/11, of being cowards, traitors or worse -- all in a desperate, transparent attempt to divide people for political gain. The fact that he has made a career out of New York/New England-bashing politics just makes his comments even more egregious. This will have serious repercussions for him if we hold his feet to the fire.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

40. Why doesn't some reporter in the White House press room...

...just ask: "in the 3 and a half years since 9/11, has this administration's approach to winning the war on terrorism been a success? If so, how are you measuring that? If not, is it possible that your approach has been flawed in some way, and what changes do you plan to make?"

Rove promoting the republican approach to counter-terrorism makes me want to :puke: . How can anyone, with a straight face, say that the "War on Terror" has so far been anything but a miserable failure and a disaster on a global scale?

How can Rove favorably compare the Republican bull in a china shop approach to this problem to anything else?

:mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Julius Civitatus]

41. This is how they play the game!

Bastards!

When Democrats say something off color, they have to apologize till kingdom come.

Then Republicans call half the country "traitors" and when confronted they say "Yes, we said that. So what?"

Democrats need to learn how these mofos play the game.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. So let me get this straight

We have to apologize for our critisim but they're allowed to get away with calling us names and other nonsense? I get so sick and tired of this crap!!!! No democrat should EVER apologize! EVER!

[jmcon007]

43. huh?

McClellan:
"(Rove)was talking about the different philosophies and our different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism."

Oh, yeah. That clears that right up. Our apologies, Scott.

Oh well, I'm glad for the change in stock answers. I was growing weary of:

"All we're asking is for an up or down vote."
"Err on the side of life."
"Freedom's on the march."

[marmar]

44. Whenever their opinion poll ratings sink...

they engage in their favorite tactic - 9/11 exploitation.

[Pacifist Patriot]

46. "accused Democrats of engaging in partisan attacks."

No shit! That's what both sides are supposed to do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1879157&mesg_id=1879157

[warsager]

56. This really stood out to me

"Three days after the terrorist attacks, the Senate voted 98-0 and the House voted 420-1 for a resolution authorizing Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against those responsible for the terrorism"

So how was he allowed to use this resolution to go to war against iraq? They lied about a link, everyone with a teaspoon morsel of a brain knew he was lying then, and continues to lie, so why aren't they being held accountable??

Who gives a flying F about Rove and his stupid comments? Its all a smoke screen, its all a sick game. Its all IRRELEVANT!!

People are DYING every single day! When are our Democratic representatives going to stand up and say, shove all this bull$hit up your rears and let's get to business getting our troops home and stop the killing of innocent people everyday.

At this point I dont even want to move to another country. When I can book a flight off this god forsaken planet? Its been overrun by evil parasites.

[Up2Late]

48. O.K., Here's the problem, This is an obvious LIE to anyone who...

...knows what KKKarl actually said, so what do we do now? WHO is OUR spokesperson who should respond to this LIE?

Right Now, we need a Spokesperson to call a press conference and tell the Press something like,

"Scott McClellan says Rove "...was talking about the different philosophies and our different approaches...," That's a Lie, Rove ATTACKED Democrats as weak and wrong in their thinking and approach to the 9/11 attacks.

If their was any Partisan attack, it came from Karl Rove, not from the Democrats, who are simply defending ourselves and the Democratic Party."

[Catrina]

86. Exactly!

Karl Rove LIED!! And forget about apologies, we need to demand he resign and then he needs to be prosecuted.

We don't need people in our government that outright lie, and this is just the latest of his lies.

No wonder they are in charge, we are supposed to sit back and watch Durbin apologize for telling the truth, and ignore it when they outright lie about Democrats?

Where's the organized machine, blasting the media, the WH, every Republican in Congress that was operating against Durbin last week, on our side? Answer, there is none!! We just roll over and they keep doing it.

The only reason that slimeball has the audicity to make a lying statement like that is because he knows we'll 'take the high road'.

So we are not supposed to ask him to resign or to apologize!! Fine, then get ready for more of the same! Both my Senators and Harry Reid have already demanded that he apologize ~ he made his statement blocks from 9/11. Both NY Senators were outraged, and I know, heard from their constituents ~ I'm glad they did, I hope all Democrats will be equally outraged, but I won't hold my breath.

[geckosfeet]

49. Here is partisan: Rove=A$$hole

[Straight Shooter]

50. Dems don't have a "philosophy" about responding to terrorism.

We have what's known as a plan. Unfortunately, with Republicans in charge, all we get are kneejerk brute reactions from the White House, which, incidentally, had they paid attention as a Democrat in the White House would have done -- specifically Gore -- we wouldn't even be having this ridiculous exchange of barbs.

Every time bush's poll numbers go down, they do something to stir up shit and agitate people so we don't pay attention to things which actually have priority. If the Downing Street Minutes is old news, then by God so is 9/11.

I've had it with their cannibalism.

[Frederik]

51. Why didn't Democrats accuse

Republicans of "partisan attacks" when they criticized Durbin?

[marmar]

52. Because they were to busy trying to run and hide.

:argh:

[johnkerryyip145]

55. We Need To Have Howard Dean Come Right Back...

...and call them out.

Something to the effect that:

"In the wake of 9/11, the Republicans were salivating over the prospect of WWIII. They didn't get it, but they're sure trying their hardest."

Fight flames with flames. It's the only way the Republicans know how to fight.

[bklyncowgirl]

65. He's on the Daily Show tonight.

If it wasn't taped before this came out it should be interesting.

[wicket]

70. it's not taped until early evening

So this should be fun :evilgrin:

[Up2Late]

101. I think they tape between 5:00 - 7:00pm EDT

It could be interesting if he says something about this tonight. Looking forward to it.

[ClintonTyree]

68. Damn straight.....

Howard needs to tear them a new asshole for this one, and guess what?

HE WON'T FUCKING APOLOGIZE AFTERWARD, BIDEN, DURBIN, LIEBERMAN ETC. ETC. ETC.

[Felix Mala]

58. They know how much trouble they're in. That's why Rove is out

commenting on policy, rather than election strategy. He supposed to keep the ship from sinking.

[ihaveaquestion]

73. They must be getting desparate to send Rove out. n/t

[Felix Mala]

97. Pappy trotted out James Baker whenever he was in trouble.

[Alizaryn]

60. He was correct.

"was talking about the different philosophies and our different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism." ...
Our approach begins with BEING TRUTHFUL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE while theirs seems to demand LIEING.

[ProfessorGAC]

61. Ours Also Involves Long Term Corrective Action, And. . .

. . .their's involves blowing people up.
The Professor

edited for typo

[0rganism]

62. Just like the Dem leaders stood by Dean and Durbin... oh wait....

Ya know, when I see shit like this, I say to myself, "No wonder they're in charge."

[confludemocrat]

63. In response, don't forget to refer to Bush pre-9/11 screwups

Who will do this as part of counterattacking? What are they waiting for? How much more of this shit are we going to take. They guy's approval ratings are going down the tubes-go after him to add some momentum to that!

[Mz Pip]

64. What a double standard!

When the Democrats disagree, it becomes a "partisan atack." When the Repugs attack it becomes a "difference philosophy."

Scum, scum, scum.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ClintonTyree]

66. Earth to Scotty..........

You're NOT WINNING the "war on terraism". You can NEVER win a war on a tactic you fucking bonehead! That's like saying, "we're going to win the war on flank assaults". These civilians that are running the show have NO FUCKING IDEA what they're doing. Bush is on the floor playing with his "Army Men" and "GI Joes" thinking he's winning the idiotic "war on terrorism".

GOD, these people are fucking stupid! :grr:

[Johonny]

67. Yeah their philosophy

is to know nothing real about the enemy, his culture, his goals, his operation. Just kill randomly and hope people submit. It's not working.

[annabanana]

109. ahem.. they are not trying to WIN this war...

They want it to go on forever... It's very good for business, their business.

[Callboy]

71. comments made on purpose as a

distraction from other issues that are harder to defend

[second edition]

72. This was Rove's deliberate attempt to make us look weak and

sympathetic to terrorists. He presents this image so that no one will pay much attention to the Guantanamo issue, the failing war,the problems in Afghanistan, the war dead and the DSM. Oh, and the staggering cost of these wars.

[amachlis]

74. Bush's Brain

Karl Rove is the biggest piece of lying scum in existence. He has a long history of lies, deceits and dirty tricks. Without Karl Rove, there would be no George Bush-he is total corruption. He may look like a harmless puggy faced weasel, but he is very dangerous. All of George Bush's campaign attacks against John Kerry, including the Swift Boat attacks were orchestrated by Rove. If he resigns, there will literally be no George Weasel Bush. He took a party boy druggie loser and made him presidential. Because he is such a gutless looking piece of filth, the Bush crime family usually keeps him hidden. I am surprised he came out of his hole to do an interview. He has done very few.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

81. Rove isn't that dangerous on his own.

In order to be dangerous he needs an uninformed, uneducated, pig-fucking, base. and he has that.

[UCLA Dem]

75. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. They'd come absolutely unglued if we said

that about them!

[seafan]

77. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,

THEN YOU WIN."

Thanks to M. Gandhi


We are succeeding. Keep fighting these ba$tard$.

[Albert Cirrus]

80. Rove is a rat bastard

A rat bastard, a projecter, and a liar.

[amb123]

84. STOP APOLOGIZING DEMOCRATS!

Rove's remarks are what happens when Democrats apologize for being Democrats. It's just a short step from this to Rove's Puppet Boy Bush declaring every one of us "enemy combatants" and shipping us all to Gitmo. It's time for us to stop singing "we shall overcome someday" and start shouting "we will overcome right this minute" because, thanks to Rove, Bush, Cheney, Frist and DeLay, "someday" has ceased to exist.

IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!

FIRE ROVE!

OVERTHROW FRIST AND DELAY IN 2006!


:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[Old Vet]

90. We have been bitch slapped enough!!!

For rove to come out means these pricks are desperate. We should turn the screws tighter on them, Thats what they have been doing to us.

[CAcyclist]

85. My LTE:

Dear Editor,

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war with Iraq, an innocent country which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments on Saudi Arabians and the Bin Laden family but the Republicans said "No".

Where's Osama bin Laden, Rove? Why isn't he in custody?

[Selteri]

87. And the insanity keeps spinning and spinning and spinning. NT

[Dr Ron]

89. Kerry's response to Rove's comments

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1139

[Lost-in-FL]

98. Well said...

[TorchTheWitch]

115. 12 paragraghs of good stuff but he missed the BIG one

With all those words he never mentioned a fucking thing about the fact that 911 had NOTHING to do with Iraq, the Iraq war had NOTHING to do with the "war on terra", and in fact, took away soldiers and resources from the "war on terra" and put them into Iraq... this shitty admin CRIPPLED the "war on terra" their own damn selves.

GOD DAMMIT, WHY THE FUCK DO OUR OWN LEADERS LET THEM SLIDE ON THE HIJACKING OF THE 911 TRAGEDY TO EXCUSE THE ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ!!!

[ananda]

91. sounds desperate to me

I think the public is sick of Bush and his admin. These diversionary attack tactics are getting stale and transparent.

Bush's disapproval ratings will continue to go only one way.. UP!

Sue

[Orion The Hunter]

94. RE: Karl Rove aka Asshat

Maybe someone should tell the White House that all those Democrats who died in the towers, and their surviving family members, are not now, and were not back then, in favour of doling out therapy. What an ass Rove is.

[PST]

92. just when you think they can't go any lower..

they're simply not human, don't have any standards

[cthrumatrix]

93. they are past that point of "caring"....about 4 yrs ago

[PST]

95. what makes you think they ever did?

all they care about is themselves

[mcg]

106. They are the ones who are unwilling to capture Bin Laden.

And their excuse?
From
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/20/goss.bin.laden/

"We are making very good progress on it. But when you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play.

"We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."
-- CIA Director Porter Goss

Asked whether that meant he knew where bin Laden is, Goss responded: "I have an excellent idea where he is. What's the next question?"

Goss did not say where he thinks bin Laden is, nor did he name the country or countries he was referring to when he spoke of sanctuaries.

================

But "sanctuaries in sovereign states" and a "sense of international obligation, fair play" did not get in their way at all when they started the war of aggression against Iraq, which was based on a pack of lies.

I don't understand why there isn't more outrage about this, and I would have thought that conservatives would be just as outraged as liberals. What is going on here?

And what's this "acceptable to the international community" about? Doesn't this completely contradict Bush's tough talk? BushCo got on Kerry's case for saying:

"No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America.
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."

They shamelessly twisted Kerry's meaning, and now they talk about "acceptable to the international community", they are using as an laim excuse what they claimed Kerry meant. Oh no, they say, we cannot (will not) get Bin Laden - one of the main culprits responsible for the death of over 3,000 Americans - that wouldn't be "acceptable" (to whom?), but they say getting Saddam (and Iraq's oil) was, even though it was based on lies. I don't see that the international community finds the war acceptable.

Bush is not sincere about stopping terrorism. He is unwilling to capture Bin Laden and has caused the creation of a breeding ground for terrorism in Iraq. He doesn't care, what he cares about is oil, money, power, and revenge (against the guy who supposedly tried to kill his daddy, he doesn't care about 3,000 dead Americans in New York City).

[Snotcicles]

107. Karl Rove and Scott McClellan team shit stain n/t

[Joey Liberal]

108. We cannot not let up on Karl "Marx" Rove

This is it. We've put up with the rest of the republican morons, idiots, fundies and assholes. What Rove said is the most despicable thing I've ever heard from any jerk-off right wing wacko.

[NVMojo]

111. Reid on Rove!

Reid Calls on Bush to Repudiate Rove's Remarks

Thursday, June 23, 2005

Democratic Leader Harry Reid released the following statement:

“I am deeply disturbed and disappointed that the Bush White House would continue to use the national tragedy of September 11th to try and divide the country. The lesson our country learned on that terrible morning is that we are strongest when we unite together, that America’s power is in its common spirit of democracy and freedom.

“Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign. The lesson of September 11th is not different for conservatives, liberals or moderates. It is equally shared and was repeatedly demonstrated in the weeks and months following this tragedy as Americans of all backgrounds and their elected representatives rallied behind the victims and their families, united in our common determination to bring to justice those responsible for these terrible attacks.

“It is time to stop using September 11th as a political wedge issue. Dividing our country for political gain is an insult to all Americans and to the common memory we all carry with us from that day. When it comes to standing up to terrorists, there are no Republicans or Democrats, only Americans. The Administration should be focused on uniting Americans behind our troops and providing them a strategy for success in the war on terror and the conflict in Iraq. I hope the president will join me in repudiating these remarks and urge Mr. Rove to take appropriate action to right this terrible wrong.”

http://reid.senate.gov/record2.cfm?id=239436

[Joey Liberal]

114. Rove is a Nazi Bastard n/t

[struggle4progress]

116. Rove -- the lying shit who engineered the Iraq war. eom

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

118. Huh? Rove says liberals want to cozy up to terrorists, and the WH

says He's just debating the philosophies? If I were to say that Bush and the Republicans are fascists, because I felt many of their policies have encroached on our liberties, I'd be rebuked all over the place (and rightly so). How is it that Rove walks away from this looking like a saint? Scarborough tonight not only defended Rove, but tried to cast him as a victim of Democratic smears. :wtf:

[guruoo]

120. This seems to be a major change in Bush strategy

So far Bush has been playing the 'straight' guy
and letting his surrogates do the flaming. But Rove doesn't really count as a surrogate, because he's junior's right hand man (read: his brain). Pelosi's correct -they're getting desperate -and sloppy.
This could really hurt them.

[Broken_Hero]

121. Yeah, right, and I'm Superman.

Yeah, right, whatever. How dumb does the WH think that we are? Well, they should know by know the left side doesn't buy into their bs reasons of apparent insanity, but for some reason their fanatic base, will. And boy, what a base it is. It was big enough to vote the GWB back into the WH again.

And, GWB had full support after 9/11 to go after the people that did/caused the 9/11 tragedy, and me like many others were duped into thinking that this man, would do so. But in the end, like life, things don't work out, and horrible things happen. BUt this is just a sad sad look at the way in which the WH plays/spins things. Once again, they are trying to spin bullshit, into diamonds. I for one, can't wait for these "clowns" to leave Washington. Later, Don.

[Lasher]

123. The Pot Calling the Kettle Black

"...and accused Democrats of engaging in partisan attacks."

This is a typical Republican tactic. That is, to accuse Democrats of doing something when it is really they themselves who are guilty of it. Their 'class warfare' slogan is a perfect example.

[flyarm]

125. the white house .."is"..rove!!

it was a set up by rove on durbin..make durbin look weak and apologise then rove comes out swinging...the tough cowboy..only problem was he was a coward when he could have fought for this nation..and ran with his yellow assed tail between his legs!