"Dems have declared war on the Christians"..words in The House

[Blue Diadem]

on Cspan right now. Thank God someone(don't know who) stood up and objected. The current status is "Words Taken Down" meaning the words are then transcribed by a clerk and read back, The chair will rule on their fitness.

If ruled out of order, the Member can not speak again that day without permission.

I wonder what the ruling will be? It was refreshing to hear someone somewhat shouting an objection!

[Gloria]

1. Who said the words in dispute????

There are so many idiots to choose from......

[MadisonProgressive]

2. Don't know, but I bet it was a slimeball.

[Idioteque]

5. Rep. Hostettler (R-IN)

David Obey asked for the words to be taken down. He was very, very, angry at the statement.

[Blue Diadem]

7. Thanks, I'd just turned on TV and didn't know who they were!

[Psychmd]

13. Surrounded in Indiana

Not all of us in Indiana are republicans. Unfortunately, we have our fair share of religious nuts.

[im10ashus]

19. Welcome to DU, Indiana!

I grew up in India-no-place. There are too many repugs there for my taste. My family is sadly still there.

[Psychmd]

51. Thanks

I have been trying to leave for awhile now. Close ties to family and the low cost of living always hold me back. I escape to sane locales frequently for vacations.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. Didn't Jim Jones get his start there

before moving to California?

[im10ashus]

24. Ayup!

Scary, eh? I am living in Manhattan now. It's so nice to be away from that hell in the midwest.

[stopbush]

50. Aww. The poor, oppressed RW Xtians!

They had it so much better when the Dems ran things and the country was becoming more secular.

Now that things are going their way on all fronts it's become a living hell!

[Bluebear]

3. Oh, so today republicans ARE white Christians?

:crazy:

[FreedomAngel82]

56. But I thought

they were a diverse party and were mad at Howard Dean!!! :eyes: I hate the "they're persecuting me" act. Last time I looked us Christians were being fine. What I'm not fine for is my political leanings for being pro-choice and pro-gay rights. :eyes:

[Warpy]

4. It's about bloody time SOMEBODY objected to these lying bastards!

Most congressional Democrats seem to be sitting there, just collecting their salaries and watching their pensions accrue and hoping nobody notices them enough to want to put out a hit on them.

The most shameful thing the party of thieves, liars, traitors, crooks, and warmongers has done has been to claim sole ownership of Christ. They are the antichrist, following policies completely opposite to what Christ taught.

It's high fucking time some Democrat grew the courage to call them on it.

[izzie]

18. Gee I do not think much of congressmen either.

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[gratuitous]

6. Really?

I don't feel like I'm at war with the Democrats.

[Blue Diadem]

12. Me neither gratuitous. I was shocked to hear the words.

They seem to think they can say whatever hateful thing they want.

[gratuitous]

20. I wonder . . .

Will every Republican on every talk show for the next week have to either acknowledge and assent to what Hostettler said or disavow it and make him look like some marginal subdefective? I'm guessing no.

When Durbin made his comment, every Republican in the nation it seemed jumped on it, twisted it, turned it into a slam on the military, and then demanded that it be withdrawn and that Durbin apologize for quoting from an FBI report on the conditions at Guantanamo.

In this case, as far as I can tell, Hostettler was pandering to his religious kook base and demeaning not only Democrats but a huge segment of the Christian community. He wasn't quoting an FBI report, he didn't make this intemperate statement in response to anything that had actually happened. He said it for the benefit of the itching ears of the religious right, who love to fancy themselves as oppressed and persecuted because they aren't allowed to hate while using the Gospels as a shield from public approbation. Les pauvres!

But no one will call Hostettler on it, and certainly other Republicans won't be called to disavow such a hateful, hurtful, uninformed rant by the "liberal" media.

[iconoclastic cat]

26. We can. Individuals can. Look at what has already been done.

Start making noise. You were just present for a major misstep by a Republican. Make it cost them. Start writing.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Yep

They can call us Nazi's but if Durbin compares the actions of Gitmo to Nazi's they're being persecuted. :mad: I hate it too!

[longship]

8. Kicked.

:kick:

[iconoclastic cat]

9. What the fuck? I have been waiting for this. Here it comes.

It only took one of them to be "brave" enough to say it in plain words. Fine, you fascist antichristians: Use that rhetoric. Come on. Make that your new meme. Do it. I dare you.

[Swamp Rat]

36. I double dare 'em!!!

BRING IT ON!!! :D

[i miss america]

10. Turn on C-SPAN now. The comment is in review

When I saw Hostettler, I could practically hear the sound of shattering glass and the march of goose steps.

Thank goodness Rep. Obey objected immediately.

[donco6]

11. I'm not at war with anyone.

Why must Repugs always reach for the war metaphors?

[FreedomAngel82]

60. I don't get it myself

They have control of all the government but they're still acting angry, like they're the minority etc. :eyes: Oh brother!

[Sparkly]

14. APOLOGIZE!!! APOLOGIZE!!!

No doubt the Repugs will be out in force calling on each other to CONDEMN the guy for the statement and demanding that he APOLOGIZE!!! :sarcasm:

[iconoclastic cat]

15. This quote needs to be recorded accurately by someone here at DU.

This needs to be passed around. This is how they unite the country. Shove this in the face of every one of these bastards.
Ask Republicans: Do you agree with this statement by Rep. Hostettler?

[MadHound]

16. And thus it starts.

A meme going around the RW echo chamber, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of their ilk. Then some RW nut in Congress puts it down on record. Passed around water coolers and soccer games nationwide, with evangelical preachers pounding it out at the pulpit.

And before you know it, the Dems and the liberals will be walking around with yellow Ls sewn on our clothes, and numbers tatooed on our wrist. We came very close during the McCarthy era, very close. And we're now treading the edge of that cliff again.

Think I'm crazy, paranoid, a little loose in the ol' brainstem? God, I hope that I am. But with the incredible amounts of hate that I'm seeing from the RW, and the RW fundies, with every fascist step this misadministration takes, we are getting closer and closer to my vision.

[iconoclastic cat]

17. You're not crazy. You're paying attention.

But this can and should be used to our advantage. Think judo.

[thinkingwoman]

39. Hostetler is the perfect nut

for this assignment. He's the same idiot that wants to change the name of proposed interstate highway I-69 because whenever he wears a button with that on there people point and laugh.

Of course, he never imagines they may simply be pointing and laughing at HIM!

What a loser.

[kmla]

49. That story has been debunked...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/i69.asp

That being said, though, Hostettler is still a mouth breathing, booger eating moron, IMO.

[thinkingwoman]

54. really?

wow. Thought I actually read it in a local newspaper. hmmmm.

oh well.

[Deja Q]

22. As a Christian (a man who believes in what Jesus did in action and word)

I am appalled by the person suggesting Dems have declared war.

For that alone, Dems ought to BE declaring war in defense of these fascist perverts.

[Skidmore]

23. Some of these extremists seem like they are trying start

a civil war. They keep ratcheting up the rhetoric and baiting the fanatical.

[iconoclastic cat]

28. A civil war would be a great excuse to implement martial law,

suspend civil liberties, postpone elections, etc., wouldn't it?

[FreedomAngel82]

61. Didn't Bush try to postpone the last election?

I remember reading they tried to but it didn't get anywhere. He tried to because of Iraq and the "war" going on and tried to make it be surpressed.

[kaitykaity]

25. News at 11.

Not.

:sarcasm: off

Oh, but Dick Durbin gets slammed to the ground.

[iconoclastic cat]

32. We can make this a huge deal, though, if we get organized.

Remember, this is how it works: Make the public start to wonder, "Well, ARE Democrats at war with Christians, or is the Republican Party lying to me?"

[kaitykaity]

But how do we make a big deal out of it now

when we've been taking it for soo long?

I guess it's using their methods against them.

Maybe Malloy can get the ball rolling on this
tonight with one of his classic rants, sow the
seed?

[iconoclastic cat]

38. Good idea on Malloy, but I was thinking more like the DSM tactics.

Start writing and calling everyone who has a listed number or address.

Yeah, kaitykaity, we have been taking it for so long. Lately, though, we're seeing the spine begin to heal.

[kaitykaity]

42. I got rolling on the DSM because of Malloy.

So I know that works.

There was a guy on Randi's show talking about how
our local paper said the DSM "wasn't news." I got
on the phone with Thom Hartmann, our local talk
guy here, and he has been pounding the subject ever
since.

The paper ran a Page One story about the DSM
yesterday with a two-page foldout inside.

This sentiment is just such a huge part of the anti-PC
crowd -- you know, God and the pledge, that' judge's
momument -- that it's seeped into the mainstream and
has become conventional wisdom.

I don't see how we challenge that just based on this
though.

[redqueen]

27. HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE!

I'm sick of these jerks getting a free pass from the media for every nasty, dirty, slimy, sickening thing they say.

:grr:

[Bluebear]

55. kick!

[Bluebear]

29. Biden? Ford? Any calls to APOLOGIZE??????

[geniph]

30. I did not get that memo!

Dammit, nobody told me I was supposed to be at war with the Christians! How come I wasn't informed?! Here I thought the vast majority of my fellow Dems WERE Christians, and all this while, I was supposed to be declaring war?!

[Skidmore]

31. Wha exactly was the context in which this man made this

outrageous statement. What was going on?

[stillcool]

37. it sounds like he is referring to a....

ammendment offered by someone from NY, and it concerned religous fanatasicm and the military. The ammendment was defeated, but this guy seems to be cast in the starring-role of a made-for-tv pep-rally targeted at their Schiavo base.

[DBoon]

33. So Christ would outlaw a political party?

Christians believe in a one-party government?

Who was it that got all bent over talk about stalin and hitler recently?

[theophilus]

34. Well I'm a Dem AND a Christian and I have declared war on the

GOP and their Corporate puppetmasters! So there! Nuyaaaaaa!

[More Than A Feeling]

35. If they are ruled out of order...

are they still placed in the record?

If they are recorded, then there is proof he said it. I think after what they are doing to Durbin, a little retribution is in order. This guy shouldn't be able to go anywhere without hearing the words "apologize" ringing in his ears.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. I love it.

Dems (some, at least) are unabashedly at war with the repubs.

Dean says the repubs are mostly white, christian.

Repubs call that a smear, implying that it is not true.

But repubs also will agree that dems are hostile against repubs.

If dems are hostile to repubs, and repubs are NOT a white, christian party, just how are dems at war with christians?

I'm so glad I'm not a repub. That kind of thinking makes my head hurt too much.

[iconoclastic cat]

41. It's percolating at dKos, too.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/20/16238/2812

I'm telling you, people: Get an accurate transcript and start pounding the gate about this one.

[iconoclastic cat]

43. Exact quote:

"The long war on Christianity today continues on the floor of the House of Representatives... don't get me wrong, the democrats know they shouldn't be doing this.

Democrats can't help denegrating and demonizing Christians."

[Sparkly]

44. Don't forget "like moths to a flame." n/t

[Blue Diadem]

47. Thank you Iconoclastic cat! Sorry my quote wasn't accurate,

I was so angry when I heard what he said I was shaking. How in the world these people think that Dems are continuing the long war on Christianity is beyond me.

[Raiden]

45. Apologize you son of a bitch!

I'm tired of the republicans shameful hypocrisy, and the MSM just strokes their ego

[Telly Savalas]

46. This wasn't said...

during debate on a highway appropriations bill, was it? Cause that'd be really scary.

[sunnystarr]

48. So who will ask for an apology and who will ask that

he be admonished? Will this be on MSM 24/7 for the next week too? Oh yeah I forgot ...he's a REPUKE!!

[AlCzervik]

52. I saw the whole thing and i saw that Hostettler withdrew some

remarks but not enough and he wasn't found out of order. What a fucking joke the house has become, he was clearly out of order and just as offensive as he wants to be.

[gordianot]

53. This reminds me of set theory problems in High School.

What conditions would be necessary to make this assertion true. "Democrats are at war with Christians". List variables for Democrats and non Democrats.

Task:
Draw a diagram that includes Democrats, Republicans (non-Democrats), those at war as they relate to Christians. Illustrate and explain your diagram. Explain the given condition that might allow Democrats to be at war with Christians.

Remember:
Most absolutes are false

Hint:

All Christians are Democrats. False
All Christians are Republicans. False
Some Christians are Democrats. True
Some Christians are Republicans. True
Some Democrats are at war with Republicans. True
Some Republicans are at war with Democrats. True

Explain why the assertion "Democrats are at war with Christians" is not logical.


Sounds like fun.

[Cha]

58. They have nothing..so they make

shit up.

Christ was Liberal so put that in your fucking rhetoric pipe and choke on it.

[HeeBGBz]

59. Look for that to be their next plan of attack

There was:

Libs are mentally ill
Dems are delusional
Obstructionists!
Dems are puppy kickers!

Now we're having a holey war with Christians.

Is this the work of Karl Rove? (insert wolf howl)