Freeper thread about DSM. They think it's a Rove plant

[Goldeneye]

because the originals weren't released. You can't get much farther from reality than this. Every major media outlet has covered it now, and there is no way they were all duped.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426029/posts

[kittenpants]

1. so are they admitting Rove planted the Rather memo?

[Goldeneye]

5. That was my first thought too.

It's an interesting admission, but what do the freeps know? Apparently, not much.

[Vickers]

2. So even they think he is a traitorous anti-American cowardly douchebag?

Interesting.

[Kipling]

4. The word is "Republican".

[DemBones DemBones]

30. Touche, Kipling! nt

[dobegrrrl]

3. This time the author's are alive --- and Brits!!

[indie_voter]

20. My thoughts exactly

This isn't a 30 year old memo, it is 3 years old.

The participants are alive.

If the reporter destroyed the original fax (or email) to protect his source and retyped to contents that doesn't mean the original doesn't exist.

This is just RW distraction but this time they are out of their league, they can't play the British media the way they play ours.

[Goldeneye]

6. Did M. Smith really destroy the original documents?

[ET Awful]

7. Hehehe I like this one

"Yes... a lie by Clinton elicted a liberal shrug of the shoulders but a lie by Bush means a constitutional crisis of the first order. Gee, I wonder why..."

Ummm. . . . maybe because a lie by Clinton didn't get 1,700 of our soldiers killed, countless innocent Iraqi civilians killed, a complete destruction of foreign relations worldwide, an increase in terrorism that the administration has yet to recognize, a doubling of energy costs, a deficit that is the largest in this nations history, and a willful effort to destroy the middle class?

[chalky]

15. Yeah, but how many "future citizens" took a powder on Monica's dress?

Remeber, their definition of the word "life" is as loose as their definition of the word "fixed".

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Nahhh

That possibly couldn't be it. :sarcasm:

[Poiuyt]

8. Nobody in the Bush or Blair administrations is contesting the

authenticity of the documents

[Caretha]

9. I'm convinced that Freepers have piss for brains

They make Terri Shiavo look like Einstein

[Sather Gate]

25. This is what they have for

brains

[Penndems]

10. The originals are right here:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/larisa/downing_street_documents_613

And the text is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

If those idiots would put down their respective liquor bottles for five seconds and muster up the horse sense to run a Google search, maybe (and I know this is a stretch) they'd get a clue.







(on edit: typo)

[rfkrfk]

12. lots of people own word-processor-programs

I could type anything.
this stuff, means something?

Is there a UK version of Kinko's ?

[Penndems]

16. I seriously doubt that a newspaper with the credibility of

The Sunday Times would print a document as damning as this without thoroughly checking it out first.

The Sunday Times has a well-respected reputation in journalistic circles. It's not The New York Post or The National Enquirer.

As for a U.K. version of Kinko's, I couldn't tell you. My best guess would be "yes".

[rfkrfk]

26. how can a word-processor 'document', be verified?

The verifiers, need to speak up.

In lieu of, the originals being printed
on paper with serial numbers...
...
don't believe everything you read, I don't.

Rule 109, or something like that... -->

Hear everything, believe nothing.

[Penndems]

29. Classified documents ARE serial-coded

Having dealt with them in the past, believe me, I KNOW. As far the DSM being verified, The Sunday Times has already stated that the note taker was the head of MI6, the equivalent of the Director of the CIA.

You're right about not believing everything you read (or HEAR, for that matter). When NAFTA was signed, my local Fox News affiliate spun the story so that it sounded as if this was a legislative folly completely of former President Clinton's making (it wasn't; NAFTA was being pushed during former President Ford's administration, and every single former President supported it). One little-known fact that Fox neglected to mention was that every President, with the exception of Nixon and Reagan, was at the signing ceremony. (I'd know that too, because I was at work in the NSC that evening, and SAW them from my office window, which overlooked the West Wing, when they left.) To hear Fox "report" it, you'd think that Bill Clinton was alone in the Oval Office when he signed off on NAFTA.

So much for "fair and balanced".

You see, Fox can fool their slavish devotees because they know these idiots will never bother to check out any of their fiction. They think they know everything that goes on in this town (unless they're from here, have lived here, or worked with these clowns, they DON'T), believe what they wanna believe, and that's it. These syncopates are too lazy to do their own research or to exercise any independent thinking, so Fox gets away with it. Fox News is simply a propaganda organ for the RNC - nothing more, nothing less.

It's quite hilarious to have worked at The White House and know what REALLY happened, and then have Fox completely morph an event into a completely different entity. I was beginning to think I was living in two different universes, LOL.

One other thing: I've had extensive interaction with foreign correspondents from not only the U.S. papers, but also with those from international periodicals. (I was one of Mike McCurry's secretaries when he was Spokesman for the State Department). There are many I trust and some I DON'T trust.

The Sunday Times correspondents are some of those I trust implicitly. Their investigative reporting is outstanding (unlike, say, a periodical like The News of the World). :)

[indie_voter]

31. From Raw Story, the Backstory

“I first photocopied them to ensure they were on our paper and returned the originals, which were on government paper and therefore government property, to the source,” he added.

The Butler Committee, a UK commission looking into WMD, has quoted the documents and accepted their authenticity, along with British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. Smith said all originals were destroyed in order to both protect the source and the journalist alike.

“It was these photocopies that I worked on, destroying them shortly before we went to press on Sept 17, 2004,” he added. “Before we destroyed them the legal desk secretary typed the text up on an old fashioned typewriter.”

The copying and re-typing were necessary because markings on the originals might have identified his source, Smith said.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backstory_Confirming_the_Downing_Street_0614.html

[Penndems]

33. Thanks! Well, that sounds about right to me

What astonishes me is how little "play" all of this has been getting in our media.

[baldguy]

11. What gets me is that

They aren't upset when they believe a US Gov't official planted a false story to make the opposition look bad. These are the tactics of dictators - and they welcome them.

[dogday]

13. Let Them Stew In Their Ignorance

The awakening is coming and it will not be the rapture they have been waiting for but it will change the tone of America.

[madrchsod]

14. wow! they- are -delusional

a rove plant? my head hurts

[Canadian Socialist]

17. This has me really confused

I'm fairly certain the reporter in question destroyed the copies HE was given (to protect his source - the documents the reporter received would have some sort of identifying mark re: the original recipient of said documents). That does not necessarily mean that they were the ONLY copies. If I know government bureaucracy, there are probably hundreds of "originals" on file somewhere.

As well, if it WAS a Rove plant, this does not reflect well on the present administration. Because, well, then it would be proof that the * admin LIED again.

Do these points make any sense? It's early in the a.m. and I don't think I've had enough coffee :evilgrin:

[indie_voter]

23. This is my understanding as well

The originals weren't destroyed, just the copy(be it email or fax) was destroyed by the reporter to protect his source.

My understanding is the source exists as do the originals. The DSM are minutes so they were distributed to all the attendees of the meeting, whoever leaked these minutes either was an attendee or is the secretary of an attendee

This isn't the same as the Rather debacle, which dealt with 30+ years old information.

[salin]

18. Was trying to figure out the "why" behind the rove plant comment

didn't have to scroll down far on the thread... to "make them" (brits? folks not supportive of the war? media?) look foolish.

Er...

Except for the fact that the events "fit" what was purported in the memos (that is - we did scuttle all sorts of diplomatic efforts - we did first spy on the UN then refused to go back when they were likely to push for more time (diplomatic efforts) for inspectors; ) There were no WMDs - and the bush supporter David Kay who was handpicked (due to his ideology and past "loyalty") to lead the search for weapons came back and said - not only were there no weapons... but that it appeared that there had NEVER been weapons (oops - there goes the... they moved them the day before the attack to Syria ... argument). And even bush has admitted NO links to the 911 terrorists.

Yep - its a rove plant to make everyone else look foolish - because all the "evidence" points to the veracity of the actions of this administration - yep if you go back to the fall of 2002 - you see NO claims of WMDs and immenent attack as the rationale for going in - you only see claims of need for democracy in Iraq. Yep - you see great planning for post war - there was NO presumption that one could topple saddam, win the war, place Chalabi in charge and leave... no evidence of that as "post war planning" - only tons of evidence of great post-war planning :crazy:

They are working hard to keep cognitive dissonance at bay.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Uh these people are so divorced

No WMD threat's? Uh hello! COLIN POWELL AND HIS UN TESTIMONY! The little bottle!!! Great post-war planning? We've been there for a very good while now. Why don't the troops have control over the area? They did on that "election" day so you know it's capable.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. If this was a Rove plant

McClellan wouldn't be sweating to save his ass and Bush's. You can tell by his response and his hostility that this is not a plant.

[Sather Gate]

24. Here's another Freeper thread this AM

where they're trying to conflate Durbin, Kennedy, and Howard Dean with Osama bin Laden and al-Zaqawri! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426087/posts

and here's the image some tough Freeper posted


PRICELESS :woohoo: :rofl:

[Bouncy Ball]

27. They're funny.

They give rove WAAAAAAAY too much credit.

:rofl:

[BrotherBuzz]

28. Were the originals typed on an IBM Selectra?

LOL, that'd be proof positive....

[Stirk]

32. That confirms what I suspected about that crowd.

They know their idols are corrupt, and they don't care. It's all about winning. It's all about party before country. They're a bunch of amoral traitors.

They're admitting that the whole Dan Rather fiasco was manufactured by the Bush Administration, to silence critics. The truth doesn't matter- only winning matters.