HAHA -- Watch Juan Williams spank OReilly about Durbin(video)

[CatWoman]

Juan Williams Finds His Voice against Bill O'Reilly-"I'm doing the reporting not you!"

Williams gave Bill a little on Thursday's show

O'REILLY (really loud): Juan, you don't know that! You don't know that at all!!

WILLIAMS (Loudly): Yes, I do, because Bill ...

O'REILLY: You're not privy to that!!



WILLIAMS: .... you're not doing the reporting. (points thumb at himself) I'm doing the reporting and I'm tellin' ya' intelligence people are sayin' we're not gettin' anything ..

O'REILLY (exasperated): Alright.

NewsHounds has the full transcripts: What a day! FOX News Contributor,Juan Williams, whose "liberal" voice has rarely been raised in anger to his FOX colleagues, gave as good as he got on last night's O'Reilly Factor on the topic of the Gitmo detainees. Bill did not like it one little bit. It was clear from his demeanor that he was extremely upset that the usually mild-mannered Williams suddenly seemed to have sprouted lion's claws and refused to be bullied...read on

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/06/18.html#a3501

[bobbieinok]

1. agreed, Juan can certainly be termed a """"liberal"""

[bpilgrim]

32. when will they bring up the CHILDREN TORTURED

in front of their MOTHERS?

we are torturing people to DEATH as well so that the M$MWs let bill o'REALLY? and his ilk get away with brushing away whats REALLY goin on is still a disgrace.

peace

[norml]

2. Of their on air people Juan Williams has been confronting them the most.

Lately he's been much more assertive in telling them that they are wrong. Will Dildo`Reilly attempt revenge?

[MidwestTransplant]

3. He may smack Juan in the face with a falaffel.

[phaseolus]

4. I told y'all Juan can do that

Yeah, sometimes he 'phones it in', but when he feels strongly about something he's really good. Looks like having his integrity challenged in public brings it out of him. I've noticed that politicians getting too nostalgic about the c.1948 Strom Thurmond does it, too.

Let's put rocks in Juan's mattress or something. Anything to keep him angry :evilgrin:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Juan Williams

He sold out and his half-assed attempt to stand up to O'Reilly in this clip are certainly nothing to cheer. O'Reilly handed Williams his head while getting away with his idiotic claims.

Sorry, but this is no kind of victory or even a shining moment. Williams is nothing more than another hired gun, and he sold out to Fox. That's all.

[Coexist]

7. I agree - halfway through he agreed with O'Reilly and it might have ended

there, but watch it a second time and listen to the last 40 seconds or so. His passion during that time would have been better served in the first minute.

As soon as anyone agrees with O'Reilly's framing - even a half-hearted "well yes, but" they get steamrolled. Liberal voices should never allow themselves to get to that point.

He should have taken a page from General Clark's handbook and thrown it back with, "you will never get me to agree that torturing people in the name of the United States is okay. Leaving people naked and cold in their own excrement is not an American value. The ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS. The American people do not want this done in their name."

[King Coal]

8. Great example FLDem5.

That technique is similar to putting the offense on defense, but then adds counterpunching at the same time. Thanks for that.

[Coexist]

9. thanks - it drives me crazy when people who do interviews for a living

aren't prepared for the same-old-same-old that these conservatives throw at them. They should REHEARSE answers like these.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. But, they can't

The people who sign their paychecks did not hire them to defy their star. These shows have an agenda (BIG SURPRISE!) and part of that agenda is to make anyone who tries to assert even the slightest bit of reality will be shouted down, cut off, and dismissed.

That's what Juan Williams signed on for when he signed with Fox.

[King Coal]

17. Well, then, Old Lefty, after that Fox probably gave Juan a tune up.

And told him to remember to do a better job of laying down.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. Oh, I think O'Reilly did a good enough job of that

But, yeah, he'll be reminded.

What a waste of talent.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. Precisely

His stuttering "Yes, but," was an invitation to play by O'Reilly's rules, and if anyone doesn't think Williams was following Fox instructions, they're uninformed on how Corporate News works.

I agree that that's what should have been done, but Williams having sold out, he would never do that or say that. His impotent "I'm the journalist" assertion at the end was probably his embarrassed attempt to salvage whatever self-respect he might have left.

Here in DC, he used to be well-regarded on local news.

[TheFarseer]

11. I'm going to have to disagree with you

Juan Williams is no sell out. I agree that he fought O'Reilly to a stalemate at best.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. Do you?

Isn't it wonderful how two people can view the same thing and come to two entirely different conclusions?

But, you are incorrect. Once, Williams was a respectable DC journalist, with a fine reputation for fair and legitimate reporting. Then he signed on with Fox, because he wanted his share of the pie.

That's when he sold out. That's when he became O'Reilly's Poodle.

I would urge you to watch it again and mark the moment when you hear Williams stuttering "Yes, but," and being dismissively handled by the host who puts him right on the defensive, asking for names, and then you might see a very different interaction.

[ReadTomPaine]

33. Agreed. It's depressing what has happened to him over the years.

I've been upset with Williams for some time now. The difference in quality reporting/commentary was particularly striking when he took over from Ray Suarez a few years back on the old NPR's "Talk of the Nation". "Eyes on the Prize" indeed. I wonder what his younger self would think of his older self. That's an interview I'd like to see.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. I just remembered this,

and now we'll be depressed together, you and I:

Williams was Thurgood Marshall's biographer - http://tinyurl.com/83f73

Imagine what Mr. Justice Marshall would say to him now .............

[King Coal]

6. Hey Cat, did you read the part where Bill defines torture?

O'REILLY: Well, look, Judge, I'm really gonna make this simple so even I can understand it.

NAPOLITANO: Well, you said you're a simple guy.

O'REILLY: I am. According to the Geneva Convention, to be a POW and to get protections under it, you've gotta wear a uniform, Judge. They don't wear uniforms.

NAPOLITANO: According to the Geneva Conv ...

O'REILLY (angry): No! That's what it says ...

NAPOLITANO: Let me finish.

O'REILLY (holding up papers with yellow highlighting): ... right here!!

NAPOLITANO: According to the Geneva Convention everyone captured in war is entitled to a status of being tried to determine who sent them there and what they're doing there and what their ...

O'REILLY (annoyed): That's far different than Geneva Convention protections!

NAPOLITANO: ... and they're entitled to a trial with a lawyer, a translator and to see the witnesses against them.

O'REILLY: Under a military tribunal.

NAPOLITANO: Absolutely! The government is not giving them those trials.

O'REILLY: Alright. I'll agree with you ..

NAPOLITANO: Instead the government is torturing them!

O'REILLY: Well, I - I don't be - I'm not buyin' that. I'll agree with you ...

NAPOLITANO: You said it yourself, it's torture.

O'REILLY: I will agree with you that military tribunals ... (delayed response to Napolitano's last statement) No, I didn't. I said you could interpret it that way.

NAPOLITANO: OK.

O'REILLY: I don't think that was torture. Torture is takin' off a limb. Torture is takin' somebody's eye, somethin' like that.

NAPOLITANO (overtalks last 3 words): Torture is driving somebody crazy to the point where they pull their out and defecate on themselves.

O'REILLY: OK. This, this - this was a twenty-four, forty-eight hour deal. That's what it was.

NAPOLITANO: The Congress has written statutes and we've signed treaties that make torture illegal.

O'REILLY (exasperated): I understand that!

NAPOLITANO: Why do we break our own laws?

O'REILLY: We have to decide as a people whether coerced interrogation is what we want or not.

NAPOLITANO: We've already decided we don't want it.

O'REILLY (coldy): Military tribunals, yes. Geneva Convention, no. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Juan. And, again, out there, it's your decision whether you want coerced interrogation or not.

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/06/17/will_wonders_never_cease_nprs_juan_williams_finds_his_voice_argues_with_oreilly.php#more


Sorry, Old Lefty, but I think Juan did pretty good, considering. And so did Napolitano, suprisingly....

[OldLeftieLawyer]

15. Juan embarrassed himself

Consider that he was left flat-footed, nodding to O'Reilly's command that he provide names, while he let O'Reilly go completely off about the "tens of thousands of lives that have been saved," which we all know is complete bullshit.

Juan is capable of much better. Having watched him these past twenty years, I know what he can do. That was hardly anything of which he could be proud.

I have no idea what your Napolitano reference is about.

The simple truth is that no one ends up looking good on O'Reilly's show because that's not the script. It will never be the script, and it will never be any different.

[King Coal]

18. What part about my Napolitano reference don't you understand?

Usually Napolitano takes a right-wing stand. Here, he didn't, and pretty much handed O'Reilly his ass. I'm sorry, but when he got Bill to define torture as cutting off a limb or taking out an eye, I think he scored some major points in ass-handing.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. Excuse me?

What part? I should think my statement made that very clear.

Let me attempt edification: I watched a film clip with O'Reilly and Williams. That's all. There was no Napolitano, and I don't know who Napolitano is.

I made no comment about Napolitano.

I did, however, comment on Juan Williams.

You do need to read more carefully.

[King Coal]

22. You're right. I do need to read more carefully.

There is always room for improvement. If you will notice the transcript and its link, above where I made the reference to Napolitano, you can read the part if the segment that immediately followed Juan and Bill, when Napolitano handed Bill his ass.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. You know what?

I'm going to take your word for it - after all, you ARE King Coal, and I hail from anthracite country - because even the slightest exposure to that bottom-feeder gets me riled up in ways that leave the dog running for cover, my husband filing for divorce, and the rest of those around me writing up Last Wills and Testaments while they reload.

Anyone who hammers him has my vote, and if it's an Italian-American guy, well, this I-A OLL is very, very happy about that.

[King Coal]

26. I-A OLL ???

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. Translation

"Italian-American OldLeftieLawyer"

KEEP UP, DAMMIT!!!!!

:toast:

[King Coal]

30. LOL! I gave up on keeping up with acronyms long ago.

:toast:

[CatWoman]

19. Hi, KC

just poked my head back in.

I didn't read the Napolitano portion of the debate, but I will now.

:hi:

[King Coal]

23. Let us know what you think, Cat.

:hi:

[Ms. Clio]

25. Oh, the euphemisms -- "coerced interrogation" instead of torture

"And again, out there, it's your decision whether you want coerced interrogation or not."

Never mind the law -- it's your decision out there whether you want vigilantes and lynchings or not, America!

I've heard Napolitano on this issue before, and although I think he's usually pretty conservative he is excellent on these points.

[TheFarseer]

10. These guys have been locked up for 4 years

They might as well be on Mars for all the contact they've had with the outside world. What the hell could they possibly know that would be of any value to us at this point?????

[kliljedahl]

12. We're not as bad as Pol Pot & Hitler

Go Amerikkka!!!


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[CityDem]

28. Juan Williams is a sellout

Williams sold his soul to Faux and routinely sits back and let's Brit Hume kick him in the balls. Mara Liason is not much better.

[Jack Rabbit]

29. I feel like I need a shower after watching O'Reilly behave like that

He's a neocon propagandist with the demeanor of street thug.

[Tsiyu]

31. O'Reilly is an absolutely out of control radical

I would love to see him spend a few weeks in Gitmo for basically saying torture isn't torture. Let him get some firsthand experience. But no, fucktards like him get to make lots of money running their mouths and endangering our troops (saying the Geneva Conventions don't count anymore means that they don't count for our own soldiers) while our soldiers' families can't even afford to eat decently.

The raging Pervert From Hell sits on his ass and makes like his balls are bigger than his head. Our soldiers die every day for O'Reilly's lies. Innocent people rot in our prisons and that fucking evil excuse for a human gets to blab on and on and on and on...making$$$$$$$$$$$

Bill O'Reilly is one of those many White Christian people who caused me to totally lose my faith in any Supreme Being. The words he spews in that transcript will tell you why....he should be struck by lightning, not given a platform to spray the filth in his sick, twisted mind.