"Catholic" organization said Durbin couldn't be Catholic and pro-abortion

[in_cog_ni_to]

I can't for the life of me remember the name of the group. They're piling on. Gotta cover up that DSM hearing. I hope Durbin gives it to them! "I" would leave the Catholic Church in a heartbeat!

BTW, not one friggin' word about the DSM hearing on my local news! :grr:

[FreedomAngel82]

1. And pray tell someone should ask this group

what is so pro-life about this "war" and killing thousands? :eyes: But Durbin isn't killing anybody.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. I'm sure he'll get around to asking them that question.

;) I hope!

[DemBones DemBones]

9. I agree that the killing in Iraq is wrong (such an understatement!)

but Catholic teaching does not forbid war, only say that wars should be just wars.

Pope John Paul II made it clear that he did not view the war on Iraq as just, but he didn't make that an official teaching or Church policy so Catholics are home free supporting the war. OTOH, supporting legalized abortion is a sin. There are no justified abortions. (A physician can do whatever is necessary to save a woman's life as long as he doesn't deliberately cause the death of her unborn baby. If the baby dies as a result of treatment given to the mother, that's a very unfortunate side effect but is not the sin that direct abortion is.)

Pope John Paul II was the one who started using the phrase "culture of life" and he meant it to include opposition to war and capital punishment as well as to abortion and euthanasia. PLUS he included helping the poor, the elderly, the disabled, all those in need, as part of the "culture of life."

[napi21]

3. There is no such thing as PRO ABORTION!

There is pro choice which takes the decisions our of the hands of the gov't, and there's pro life...which seems to me to be a oxymoron, since most of the pro lifers are pro death penalty and pro war!

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. yeah, tell them that. That's what they printed on their FULL PAGE ad

to be in one of the papers. Probably the Chicago Trib or Sun Times. I don't know which paper because we were switching back and forth monitoring all the networks for the DSM and listening to Malloy at the same time :crazy:. We just happened to catch that report on Durbin.

[LightningFlash]

4. Go Durbin....Nail em to the wall!!!!

:thumbsup: for Durbin!

[DemBones DemBones]

6. The official Catholic teaching is that abortion is a sin,

a mortal sin, so they are correct -- by supporting legalized abortion, Durbin is going against Catholic teaching.

I know many Catholics call themselves pro-choice -- usually saying "I'd never have an abortion myself, but I won't tell others what to do" -- but that doesn't make it an acceptable practice for Catholics.

[Raksha]

7. The Catholic Church also has some very specific conditions...

...for what does or does not constitute a "Just War," and the bloody ripoff in Iraq DOES NOT qualify! Why isn't anyone talking about THAT?

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. I'll be waiting for their FULL PAGE ANTI-WAR ad in the paper.

I won't hold my breath though. Hypocrites. :grr:

[DemBones DemBones]

12. Have any other churches taken out full page ads against the war?

I think it would be great if they all did but I don't think most people are to that point in opposing the war yet.

Pax Christi (the universal Catholic peace group) has opposed the war all along, as have some other Catholic groups, but it will take the pope speaking against this war to make much of a dent in Catholic opinion. And not everyone will listen to the pope these days so it's still iffy.

What group is running the ads against Durbin, anyway?

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I can't remember the name of the organization.

I'll watch the morning local news and see if I can catch the story again.

[DemBones DemBones]

15. As I explained in another post above, the Catholic Church

condemns abortion in any circumstance but does not condemn all wars. Unless the pope or your bishop officially tells you that you, as a Catholic, should not support this war, you're on your own to determine whether it meets the criteria for a just war. I don't believe it does but it's probably possible to put together an argument that it does.

[The Magistrate]

10. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am

Should a Catholic politician act to require persons who are not Catholic to conform their actions to Catholic teaching?

[DemBones DemBones]

14. It's a complicated issue and I'm not entirely

agreeing with this group (whoever they are). since I don't know exactly what they are saying, but they are correct that doing anything to facilitate abortion is a sin.

The irony, Sir, is that people who refused to vote for war or the death penalty for religious reasons would get broad support on DU, while the suggestion that someone should vote against abortion for religious reasons -- or any reasons- is met with strong condemnation and derision.

Killing is killing, and it's all wrong.

[The Magistrate]

16. That Answer, Ma'am

Seems at least to hint the politician would indeed be required to act to so compel persons to abide by the Church's teachings who do not subscribe to them. That is a thing no clergyman has any right to insist on, in my view.

The other things you mention, Ma'am, do not touch so directly on questions of personnal liberty, and do not involve the imposition of a religion's doctrines as constraints on the actions of individuals who do not subscribe to them. Both are state actions, after all, that no individual can choose to do on his or her own, though they may support or oppose them, or choose to join in or refuse to co-operate with, should they find themselves in particular stations, like the door of a recruiting office or a jury-box.

[Nailzberg]

17. True, true. But we know the truth.

Democratic policies of funding Planned Parenthood and other groups, as well as access to health care, only serve to lower the rate of abortions.

Dick Durbin knows this, you know this, and I know this. The only groups in America that do not know this are the GOP and the Catholic Church. I've convinced many pro-lifers in central Illinois to vote for Durbin on these facts.

As long as they force Abstinence Only programs upon us, the only escape from the harsh option of supporting abortion.

[deadparrot]

11. You also can't be Catholic and

pro-capital punishment.

And anti-war, of course.