At war with my own party, It's time to take the Gloves off ..............

[trumad]

and take out the Dino's. The true Progressives have the wind at their backs and it's time to end the reign of a faction whose sole purpose is to appease the party in power.

They're easy to spot... There the ones who are helping gin up Rove's talking points about Dean. There the ones who tell us they're Democrats on TV, simply for a paycheck. They're the ones who give in the minute Bush promises them a ceremonial signing pen.

It's time to rid the Democratic Party of the Dinosaurs once and for all.

[sniffa]

1. hear hear!

[Vincardog]

2. Llet's get rid of the Radical Right Rethugs first. nt

[dogday]

3. Shades of Iowa

I have always thought that the Republicans are afraid of Dean and this just justifies my suspicions. I hope Dean will continue to fight the good fight and to tell it like it is whether they like it or not.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. This is starting to remind me of the bad ol' days

of the 1968 election, when the antiwar Dems, led by Gene McCarthy, were just about at war with the "establishment" Dems -- Lyndon Johnson and, by association, Hubert Humphrey. Especially after the Chicago convention, we thought the "establishment" Dems were just as bad as Nixon and the Republicans because they wouldn't repudiate the Vietman war. Seems like things might be going in a similar direction now.

[tx_dem41]

7. Yep...and remember, 1972 is waiting just around the corner. n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

17. Dean is not McCarthy and gwb is not Nixon

I would imagine Dean remembers those days, as well.

Dean will speak his mind, however, he will not attack or question fellow Dems, no matter how misguided. He threw his unequivocal support behind Kerry last year.

gwb doesn't have (I can't believe I'm saying this) the political and personal finesse that Nixon had. I agree, gwb has a group of thugs and fundies who closely resemble Nixon's posse, however, gwb cannot speak or articulate the way Nixon did. Say what you will about RMN, he had a great ability to speak extemporaneously.

Finally, the Iraq war is of gwb's own making. Johnson inherited the Vietnam conflict and displayed, albeit subtly, ambivalence around how and why it should continue.

That said, one thing gwb has in his favor is a submissive MSM. That may trump everything else. MKj

on edit: McCarthy replacing McGovern in my response...all those Nixon elections just sort of blend in together.

[KittyWampus]

21. Obviously Dean Isn't McGovern. He Couldn't Make It Out Of The Primaries

[Pharaoh]

5. well ed shultz sure is'nt helping

christ ya never hear the rethugs eatin one of their own!

[trumad]

Exactly

We should ridicule the fuck out of the gasbag Dino.

[LibertyorDeath]

6. Amen & Rec

[tx_dem41]

8. 38 Senate Seats here we come! n/t

[Tesha]

29. Yes, if we don't change course, 38 seats is definitely in the cards!

Oh! But you were suggesting that staying the course (and continuing
to yield to the Republicans at every turn) would *SAVE* us from being
pushed into a Senate minority, weren't you.

My bad.

Tesha

[tx_dem41]

31. No, I am thinking in an overarching, historical sense.

Please tell me the last time that the Democratic Party held the majority of the House and/or Senate with members that represented a solidly progressive front.

I'll be waiting for your reply.

[Tesha]

39. 1964, when they passed the Civil Rights Act.

It caused their destruction of course, but it was *THE RIGHT
THING TO DO*.

(Actually, they were still on the side of the people in 1965 when
they passed Medicare and The Elementary and Secondary Education Act
of 1965.)

Tesha

[tx_dem41]

40. 1964?

The party was probably never more divided along the political spectrum. Liberal/Progressive Democrats, far far from a majority in the party, had to team up with Liberal Republicans (yes, they existed then) to get the Civil Rights Act passed. Out of the 27 Senators that voted against it, 21 were Democrats.

Nope, the party was definitely not a solid progressive front in 1964.

[Tesha]

41. Doesn't matter. That was on eof the *MOST PROGRESSIVE*...

Doesn't matter. Those were several of the *MOST PROGRESSIVE* things
the Democrats have ever done, and they've done nothing like it since
that time. Instead, it's been a steady slide into mediocre policies
and political failure until they're now so scared of their own
shadows that they never even say "Boo!" to the Republicans without
immediately apologizing.

Tesha

[tx_dem41]

46. Of course it matters, since I just pointed out that Democrats couldn't..

have done it by themselves. We DUers seem to have this fantasy that the Democratic Party has always been solidly progressive until about 10 years ago or so. Guess what, its a fantasy. The strength of this party, especially during the FDR years, was that it was able to patch together a coalition of Conservative Southerners, Liberal NorthEasterners, and Populist Mid-Westerners into one party.

Now a days, "coalition" is considered a "four-letter word" at DU. Its a shame that we don't even comprehend our own history.

[Tesha]

42. Doesn't matter. That was one of the *MOST PROGRESSIVE*...

Doesn't matter. Those were several of the *MOST PROGRESSIVE* things
the Democrats have ever done, and they've done nothing like it since
that time. Instead, it's been a steady slide into mediocre policies
and political failure until they're now so scared of their own
shadows that they never even say "Boo!" to the Republicans without
immediately apologizing.

Tesha

[Tesha]

43. Doesn't matter. Those were several of the *MOST PROGRESSIVE*...

Doesn't matter. Those were several of the *MOST PROGRESSIVE* things
the Democrats have ever done, and they've done nothing like it since
that time. Instead, it's been a steady slide into mediocre policies
and political failure until they're now so scared of their own
shadows that they never even say "Boo!" to the Republicans without
immediately apologizing.

Tesha

[Tesha]

44. (Sorry about the multi-post; the board software was acting up.)

[tx_dem41]

47. No problem....

I've had it happen to me several times myself. Thank you for responding. BTW, since you chastised me this morning about making the comment about "tar" vs. "tare", I honestly had never heard that word before. I wasn't being a typing Nazi.

[Tesha]

48. I didn't really think you were; it's a rather archaic word...

...at least when used that way.

Tesha

[tx_dem41]

49. It just goes to show that you can learn something new everyday on DU.

n/t

[DanCa]

9. Just what is a dino?

I know the slang I just want to know what the diffiniton is. And where the litmus test is drawn and who decides it? Just wondering what the critera is.

[tavalon]

18. Democrat in name only

Hence, DINO. For examples of such odious creatures, look to Zell Miller who was the keynote speaker at the Republican national convention, and Joe Lieberman who seems to get his talking points straight from the Whitehouse.

God, we do use a lot of acronyms, don't we?

[G2099]

10. It's Judgment Day

Time to separate the the wheat from the tar, the sheep from the goat - either they are with us and THE TRUTH or they are against us and THE TRUTH.

So let it be done.

[Pharaoh]

11. huh?

[tx_dem41]

12. "the wheat from the tar"? "the sheep from the goat"?

Umm...yeah...sure...whatever you say.

[Tesha]

28. Do you always mock people for typos?

The intended word was "tare", which makes perfect sense in
the original author's context.

Tesha

[jonnyblitz]

13. i am about tired of them. if they want to make nice with the GOP

so fucking badly they should just come out of the fucking closet and join up with them...

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. I'm in! Donated $25 to the DNC for the first time to show them it's about

the little people, not the supposed "big donor" special interests! Time to clean house! :hi: :toast:

[CatWoman]

15. Same here, Mrs. G

:hi:

[bpilgrim]

16. i say we use their selfish remarks to talk about the neoCONs some more

since the idiots on the teeVee ain't gotta clue you can pretty much talk about whatever you want.

the fake Dem's will leave by themselves because no one listens to'm anymore ;->

i hear ya :hi:

peace

[libodem]

19. Go Trumad Go

I'll be your biggest cheerleader. Cartwheel, pom-pom shake, jump up and down, clap hands,....why have Dem's who vote with those idiots. I used to get so mad when a good piece of legislation would be voted down because the Repub's voted 'no' on everything. I used to think I could do that job...just vote 'no' on everything. Our guys need to get some gonads. Go gonads....

[KittyWampus]

20. Seems To Me It's DU'ers Who React To GOP/Mediawhores Points

with disgusting regularity.

And how about focusing on the GOP?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. You obviously don't understand.

This is all about how we're going to take on the GOP. The Invertebrate Way or the People's Way. If you want to live in your bubble and believe that the Democratic Party can take on the GOP without first addressing who is going to influence party policy, i.e, Main Street or Wall Street, then it's fine by me.

[Cocoa]

22. they're not at war with you

[stickdog]

25. Maybe, not.. But they're at peace with corrupt, Constitution gutting,

corporate whoring war profiteers.

They're bankrupting the entire country to fight an arbitrary imperial war WHILE handing out pork AND huge tax cuts for the richest like candy.

They're doing nothing about our country's health care crisis while they're taking away rudimentary financial protections for poor folks who often lose every penny they have and more because of catastrophic health problems -- all in order to please the ever lovin' loan sharks' lobbyists.

Fuck the DINOS. This is war and they are comforting the enemy.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Oops, mixed up the Mc's ....although McGovern had one of the most

spectacular losses in presidential election history.

I'm disappointed that he couldn't win as the Democratic candidate for Senator in Minnesota, either. MKJ

[PittLib]

24. Pay attention to PA ...

many here are actively trying to elect a social DINO as a compromise to the religious right. This strategy will go down in the annuls, post campaign, as "How Not to Have a Candidate Selected For You".

[ikri]

26. Welcome to a 3 party system

From everything I've seen and read in the last few years it has begun to appear that instead of the 2 party system of Democrat/Republican the system has now split into 3 parties.

You have Democrats, "Moderates" and Zealots

You can take the "Moderates" from both the Democratic and Republican party and they're often so close to each other ideologically that there's little or nothing between them. They do whatever they can for business at the behest of their donors.

There's the real Democrats who actually care about the people rather than the corporate donors.

And finally there's the zealots who have done their best to take control of the Republican party and are leading it into a theocracy.

Sooner or later people like John McCain and Joe Lieberman are going to realize that they have little in common with their respective parties and more in common with each other. They can either attempt to reshape their own parties or form a new one.

I've no doubts that they'd take a large number of voters with them, but they'd lose the zealot vote. The zealots would lose the center ground vote, most of the corporate donors and most of the voters who vote according to the economy, they'd probably get no more than 20% of the vote.

[Sgent]

27. At this point

I'll worry a lot more about DINOs when John Ashcraft and GWB and Delay arent in the R party. Until then, better a DINO (Lieberman, Landreau) than a right wing religious nutcase.

[Tesha]

45. That's only true if...

> I'll worry a lot more about DINOs when John Ashcraft and GWB and
> Delay arent in the R party. Until then, better a DINO (Lieberman,
> Landreau) than a right wing religious nutcase.

That's only true if you think the current muddled Democratic message
can win elections (and since '92, it has lost far more than it has
won, although muddling the message did manage to win the Presidency
twice, aided and abetted by some monkey-wrenching of the Republicans
by Ross Perot).

I think a firmly, consistently DEMOCRATIC, LIBERAL, POPULIST message
might be a much bigger winner than the Republican-lite tripe that folks
like Lieberman are currently spewing.

Tesha

[lateo]

30. skreeeech!

We don't need to swing left...the moderates like these people you are talking about are the future of the party...

[Q]

32. Then the party doesn't have much of a future...

And it's a lie to call certain Dem politicians 'moderate' when what they're really doing is selling out the party to benefit their own careers and to stuff the bank accounts of corporate donors.

This issue has nothing to do with the party 'moving' to the left, right or middle. The Bushies are criminals and so are those Democrats who help them coverup their crimes. But if 'moving to the left' means being truthful and demanding justice...maybe we DO need to move in that direction?

[Andy_Stephenson]

33. Amen Q

Amen!

[lateo]

38. Hey Andy.

Good to see you back. I hope you are doing well.

[lateo]

36. :)

Hopefully your sarcasm detector is working this morning.


:)

[jonnyblitz]

34. LMFAO

no comment. :crazy:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Where's a big meteor when you need one?