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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:40 PM
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After Downing Street
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 04:43 PM by WilliamPitt
Rough, please don't forward, I will post the link to the final when it is ready. Thanks.

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“As to U.S. assertions that Iraq possessed bombs, rockets and shells for poison agents, unmanned aerial vehicles for delivering biological and chemical weapons, nuclear weapon materials, sarin, tabun, mustard agent, precursor chemicals, VX nerve agent, anthrax, aflotoxins, ricin and surface-to-surface Al Hussein missiles, not one has so far been found. One vial of Strain B Botulinum toxin is found in the domestic refrigerator of an Iraqi scientist. It is ten years old. Hans Blix comments, ‘They wanted to come to the conclusion that there were weapons. Like the former days of the witch hunt, they are convinced that they exist. And if you see a black cat, well, that’s evidence of the witch.’”

- From David Hale’s new play, ‘Stuff Happens’

Intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. Bush has already made the decision to invade. That’s what the leaked secret British intelligence document now known as the Downing Street Minutes tells us from back in time to July of 2002, before discussion of an Iraq invasion had made its way anywhere near public discussion. The decision to invade Iraq had already been made in the summer of 2002, and in order to make that decision a reality, intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of invasion.

It is interesting. The occupation of Iraq has lasted more than 800 days, and debate over the invasion has been going on for more than a thousand days. In that time, revelation after revelation has been put forth exposing the lies and manipulation used by the Bush administration to make this war happen. The first accusations of Bush administration mendacity on this issue were revealed six months before the invasion took place, in an October 8, 2002 article by Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landay titled ‘Some Administration Officials Expressing Misgivings on Iraq.’

“While President Bush marshals congressional and international support for invading Iraq,” reads the article, “a growing number of military officers, intelligence professionals and diplomats in his own government privately have deep misgivings about the administration’s double-time march toward war. These officials charge that administration hawks have exaggerated evidence of the threat that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein poses — including distorting his links to the al-Qaida terrorist network — have overstated the amount of international support for attacking Iraq and have downplayed the potential repercussions of a new war in the Middle East.”

“They charge that the administration squelches dissenting views,” continues the article, “and that intelligence analysts are under intense pressure to produce reports supporting the White House’s argument that Saddam poses such an immediate threat to the United States that pre-emptive military action is necessary. ‘Analysts at the working level in the intelligence community are feeling very strong pressure from the Pentagon to cook the intelligence books,’ said one official, speaking on condition of anonymity. A dozen other officials echoed his views in interviews. No one who was interviewed disagreed. None of the dissenting officials, who work in a number of different agencies, would agree to speak publicly, out of fear of retribution. But many of them have long experience in the Middle East and South Asia, and all spoke in similar terms about their unease with the way U.S. political leaders are dealing with Iraq.”

Since the publication of that article, we have learned about the Project for the New American Century, about its powerful advocates in Washington – Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Bolton among them – and about their plans from 2000 that centered around an invasion and occupation of Iraq, based upon whatever pretext was available, to establish a permanent military presence in the Mideast and to gain ultimate control of petroleum management in the region.

We have learned about the secretive Office of Special Plans and its deliberate manipulation of Iraq weapons intelligence, about deliberate pressure put on analysts in the CIA by powerful men like Dick Cheney to manufacture reports of an Iraqi threat that did not match the facts, we have heard the details of this deliberate manipulation from government insiders like Paul O’Neill, Richard Clarke, Tom Maertens, Roger Cressey, Donald Kerrick, Greg Thielmann, Karen Kwiatkowski, Rand Beers and Joseph Wilson, whose wife’s CIA career was shattered by the White House through the very breed of retribution those anonymous sources from the October 2002 article were worried about.

We have watched our government use the attacks of September 11 to terrorize the American people into supporting the invasion of Iraq, we wrapped ourselves in plastic sheeting and duct tape while handling our mail with oven mitts so as not to be infected with the anthrax we were told was in the hands of Saddam Hussein, we were told that they knew the weapons were there, that they knew where the weapons were, we were told by Bush himself his January 2003 State of the Union address that the 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, one million pounds of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent, 30,000 munitions to deliver the stuff, mobile biological weapons labs and uranium from Niger for use in a robust nuclear weapons program were waiting in Iraq to be given to terrorists for use against us, and that this was the main reason, the central reason, the absolute fact which required immediate action.

We have seen all this and more, we have seen torture, we have seen murder, we have seen the grinding of a civilian population in Iraq that was no threat to us or anyone else, we have seen hundreds of billions of dollars funneled into the bank accounts of administration cronies under the camouflage of this ‘War on Terror,’ we have seen one thousand six hundred and eighty four American soldiers die and be returned home in transfer tubes, we have seen ten times that number wounded grievously, and we have seen more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed in their homes and on their streets, the uncounted dead whose innocent blood stains us all.

And now, after all that, it comes down to these Downing Street Minutes, to this small document released at the beginning of May by a British official looking to throw sand in Tony Blair’s election hopes. After a roomful of Deep Throats and a dozen different kinds of Pentagon Papers were exposed before withering on the media vine, the Minutes now stand as irrefutable proof that the road to war in Iraq was paved, with absolute intent, with lies and deceit and misdirection and fraud.

For a time, it seemed as though these Minutes would join the rest of the Iraq revelations, discarded in the media gutter, run off the road by earth-shattering stories about Michael Jackson and Paris Hilton and Robert Blake and Martha Stewart and American Idol. Lately, and with a concerted push by activists and a number of members of the House of Representatives, the Downing Street Minutes are beginning to garner deserved and focused attention.

Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post wrote on June 8th that, “After six weeks in the political wilderness, the Downing Street Memo yesterday finally burst into the White House -- and into the headlines.” USA Today reported on the same day that, “A simmering controversy over whether American media have ignored a secret British memo about how President Bush built his case for war with Iraq bubbled over into the White House on Tuesday.”

Descriptions and condemnations of the Minutes have begun appearing in most of the major newspapers, and the document has become contentious fodder for debate on the cable and network news stations. White House apologists are out in force, and the spinners are spinning, but the simple facts of the matter dwarf the flaccid excuses and explanations petering out of the administration.

The Minutes were thrown into the faces of Bush and Blair during a joint press conference on June 7th. The two leaders were asked, “On Iraq, the so-called Downing Street memo from July 2002 says intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of removing Saddam through military action. Is this an accurate reflection of what happened? Could both of you respond?”

Bush replied, “Well, I - you know, I read kind of the characterizations of the memo, particularly when they dropped it out in the middle of his race. I'm not sure who ‘they dropped it out’ is, but -- I'm not suggesting that you all dropped it out there. And somebody said, well, you know, we had made up our mind to go to use military force to deal with Saddam. There's nothing farther from the truth.” The rest of his answer was a lame rehash of the old lies, that the decision wasn’t made before the facts were in, that the facts weren’t manipulated, that war was the last option. Bush was visibly angered by the question, and not long after, brought the press conference to an abrupt end.

The record is clear, the evidence piled before us, treachery after stacked treachery. Plenty of powerful people would like this document to go away, not excepting the folks in the news media, because the document provides a capstone exposure of just how flawed, biased, shabby and ultimately deadly their coverage of this issue has been. Don’t doubt for a second that the scions of our journalistic realm would like the Minutes to fade, because as long as the document stands in the light, their complicity in this catastrophe is all too clear.

It isn’t going away. A massive coalition of activist groups have come together to form the After Downing Street Coalition, which seeks coverage of this issue in the media and accountability on this issue from Congress and the administration. Rep. John Conyers and 88 other House members have delivered a letter to Bush demanding answers, and nearly 200,000 Americans have signed their support for this letter. The number of signatures grows by the day.

This moment is described as the tipping point. Large majorities of Americans, in every poll, believe the Iraq invasion was unnecessary and the casualties thus far inflicted to be unacceptable. For the first time, the poll numbers show that a clear majority of the American people no longer believe that George W. Bush is keeping them safe. Bi-partisan coalitions are forming in Congress to demand that the U.S. withdraw from Iraq and give that nation back to the people who live there, and those coalitions are edging towards majority-sized numbers. Legislation has been presented demanding withdrawal, and more is in the offing.

And now, the Minutes. Tomorrow, the Minutes. Every day, the Minutes, until there is a reckoning.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:50 PM
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1. "Every day, the Minutes, until there is a reckoning."
I hope you make that your subtitle.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - We support Apian's goal of 10,000,000 signatures on Congressman Conyers letter by June 21, 2005; make it happen! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/6/214643/6438
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:52 PM
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2. great accounting
we won't stop.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:57 PM
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3. It says it all! You're great as always. Just one
thing you could change..the term "transfer tubes". I detest that term, could you please say caskets, because that's what they are. Transfer tubes is just a term used to disguise the horrible fact that they are bringing back our dead children.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:58 PM
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4. I love it
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 05:00 PM by VelmaD
"the road to war in Iraq was paved, with absolute intent, with lies and deceit and misdirection and fraud" Fuckin' A. :)

A couple of nits:
paragraph 6 - I'd start a new sentence at "we have heard the details of this deliberate manipulation..."

paragraph 7 - wow that's one long sentence. Same for paragraph 8. :)



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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:01 PM
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5. Glad to see Will is giving some needed attention to afterdowningstreet
It and John Conyers' blog have been my main sorces of DSM information for some time now.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:09 PM
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Needed attention?
:)

Sorry, makes me smile. As Editorial Director of PDA, I have been working on the ADS coalition for several weeks now, written a lot of the alerts on the matter, and just got back from a three-day four-city north-to-south rip across California screaming about this.

And then there were these:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050605Y.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050905X.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060105Y.shtml

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:12 PM
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8. I mean greater publicity, attention poor choice of words
I've been "pushing" it in here with lukewarm response.

See, my poor choice of words gave you the opportunity to post your links!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:14 PM
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9. Woo hoo!
;)
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:07 PM
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10. This was my attempt at introducing afterdowningstreet to DU
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 08:08 PM by paineinthearse
Posted on June 1.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1821764

It got 3 "greatest" votes from the hard core, but very few replies. Use the info as you see fit, we're all in this together.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:59 PM
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16. Great post.
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:00 PM by mzmolly

:yourock:
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:02 PM
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13. I just finished watching the video of your speech.
I very much enjoyed it and have passed the link on to others. I believe we can accomplish what needs to be done. The tide is turning, slowly but surely. If anyone here hasn't watched the speech, I recommend it highly! Thanks, Will, for all you do.
http://www.truthout.org/multimedia.htm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:26 PM
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25. Thanks!
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:05 PM
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6. Superb, As Always
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:09 PM
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7. Looks pretty polished to me. Maybe 1 or 2 extra commas, but GREAT!
I like the way you "pile up the evidence" first, so that the DSM is just the icing on the cake.

I'm ready to start emailing this out, and soon as you're finished and give the go ahead!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:29 PM
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11. This is a piece I plagerized from afterdowningsgtreet at noon today
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:50 PM
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12. Excellent article - just one picky style thing...
Since the publication of that article, we have learned about the Project for the New American Century, about its powerful advocates in Washington – Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Bolton among them – and about their plans from 2000 that centered around an invasion and occupation of Iraq, based upon whatever pretext was available, to establish a permanent military presence in the Mideast and to gain ultimate control of petroleum management in the region.

Not trying to be a pain, but please make me happy and change it to centered on or revolved around. I can't help myself. This style thingy was beaten into me by my obsessive journalism professor. :)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:48 PM
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14. "...with absolute intent..."
excellent synopsis

"...the Minutes now stand as irrefutable proof that the road to war in Iraq was paved, with absolute intent, with lies and deceit and misdirection and fraud."
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:54 PM
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15. Great, but I have a suggestion. I think you should keep the issue of
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:03 PM by mzmolly
removing troops from Iraq separate as it is a separate issue KWIM?

I think it looks like you have an agenda with that last portion of the article, and you may lose a bit of credibility on the remainder?

I'd stick to the subject of pre-war Intel and the case against shrub as it relates? You may also want to mention how GE, who profits from this war owns much of our MSM? Might give Americans some perspective as to why they have been so complicit?

:shrug: But your the pro, I'm just giving my .02

I love the way you splice it all together and toss in the PNAC agenda (another piece of evidence the media has ignored in the march to war.) I also had forgotten about the "anthrax" mailings to Democrats just before we learned conveniently of Saddam's stockpiles of similar material.

ALL IN ALL *Fantastic recap, and when it's complete I plan to send it far and wide.

Thanks!

*PS you said it's a rough draft, so I'm not commenting on punctuation and grammar* ;) I'd have lots of nerve doing that anyhow.


PS

I think you should call it 'BEFORE DOWNING STREET' because the evidence has been with us all along.

:hi:
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:58 PM
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17. Like the reference to "evidence piled before us", disagree with...
I like that you bring in other sources and other names. I would really like if more of these were published or quoted all together somewhere...a fleshed out document with all the evidence you discuss and more. Aside from the DS minutes, many of these are very, very strong. It's time to see the full weight of all the information in the context of DSM.

I do disagree with with the phrase "...minutes stand as IRREFUTABLE proof that.."
They have not yet been considered irrefutable. In fact, they are being refuted right now. We just don't know enough about the minutes and Dearlove to characterize it that way yet. And I would wager that if the DSM is the poison pill we think it is, they will put up a fight, logical or not, that will make the Swiftboat media and spin-doctor frenzy look like Mr. Rogers.

When we got the first look at DSM, I thought that the way in which the American public, dem leaders, and media processed the information would be very telling. I thought then that we might be past the point where an incredibly important political issue could be rationally and publicly analyzed...I thought, and still think, that our capacity for honest discourse has been hamstrung by polarization, media complicity, and disbelief that our government could by anthing other than noble. Past the point of no return.

As you say, we are at that tipping point...where the minutes get legs or don't, where we reclaim an independent mainstream press or not, where people think for themselves or not, where we can discuss ALL THE ISSUES ATTENDANT WITH THIS ADMINSTRATION in a reasonable, fair way OR NOT.

Thanks for contributing the weight of your words to the scale.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:59 AM
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18. Get on up there for morning n/t
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:25 AM
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19. .
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:46 AM
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20. BEAUTIFUL! But a few things...
"we have seen one thousand six hundred and eighty four American soldiers die and be returned home in transfer tubes"

As someone else mentioned, "transfer tubes" is a disgustingly sanitized buzzword the admin came up with to refer to body bags/caskets... I think it's important not only to call them what they are, but to reference that "transfer tubes" was the admin's gross way of trying to make them seem like something benign, which they clearly aren't (the average Joe off the street would probably assume a "transfer tube" was one of those FedEx packages designed to hold rolled up architectural plans or something).

But there's something else that really bothers me about how this was said... "we have seen one thousand six hundred and eighty four American soldiers die and be returned home in transfer tubes"... NO WE HAVEN'T. The bodies come back at night under tight lockdown so there can be no photographs taken of them, and the media isn't allowed to show any of those photos even if they COULD take them. I think it's important to write this in such a way that points out that this admin WON'T ALLOW US TO SEE THEM.

And one other thing...

"Rep. John Conyers and 88 other House members have delivered a letter to Bush demanding answers, and nearly 200,000 Americans have signed their support for this letter. The number of signatures grows by the day.

Isn't it true that the list grows by about 20,000 per day? I thought I read that in another thread a couple days ago. I think it's important to point out how many more signatures get added per day... a total of 200,000 doesn't seem like much to most people seeing as how many millions of American citizens there are, so mentioning how many sigs are added per day emphasizes that people may not think it's a huge list NOW, but it grows by leaps and bounds every day... know what I mean? I'm thinking that if I was finding out about this issue for the first time though your article, I may not be very impressed with the 200,000 number, but I'd be VERY impressed by how many sigs get added by the day.

I particularly liked this line...

"we wrapped ourselves in plastic sheeting and duct tape while handling our mail with oven mitts so as not to be infected with the anthrax we were told was in the hands of Saddam Hussein"

Really points out how friggin' stupid the plastic/duct tape advice made a lot of people feel... NOBODY likes to be made a fool of. Also reminds people that they don't seem to be doing a damn thing about that anthrax incident... when's the last time anybody even heard anything about that mentioned? Because of media silence, how many people even recall that there WAS an anthrax incident?

Another winner, Will. :)

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:09 AM
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21. Outstanding!
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 06:09 AM by acmejack
But of course. I have taken a blood oath to mention the DSM five times a day, not counting the times I discuss it with the "choir"!
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:51 AM
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22. thank you for all your hard work Pitt
:-)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:31 PM
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23. The Minutes, The Minutes, The Minutes, The Minutes, The Minutes,
The Minutes, The Minutes, The Minutes, The Minutes, and...

The Minutes.



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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:51 PM
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24. Link to final
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