If DU is attacked by a hacker, our alternative means of communication is?

[Just Me]

Seriously.

How do we maintain our network?

[BigBearJohn]

1. I'm glad you asked. I asked this 6 months ago. No answer.

[Just Me]

14. Do you think we should create a list,...

,...of DUers' blogs for purposes of maintaining our network?

We need a plan.

[shadowknows69]

29. i have a chatroom and forum on my site

phone numbers might be good too.

[Just Me]

33. Where is it?

:shrug:

I agree that phone contacts would be a means of maintaining our network. We could set up a "panic" phone list via PM or in coordination with Skinner or whatever means ensures we all feel secure.

[shadowknows69]

41. www.thepulsenny.com

pulse chat button

[hippiegranny]

2. we used to have a "panic room"

it was a yahoo group. It got spammed pretty badly though, that might be why it went away.

[Kindigger]

4. I was freaking

during the past week or so. I couldn't get on here at all when the server was having problems. I was seriously stressed out. :scared:

[The empressof all]

7. The group at Yahoo- DU Panic Room still Exists

It should be used only when DU is down.

[Just Me]

9. I am becoming a bit more concerned about,...

,...the effectiveness of one panic room especially after a search on both yahoo and google.

Is there any way we can set up a system with sufficient branches to connect to one another?

I don't mean to be alarmist, just prepared.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

53. I'll be the alarmist...

I'm seriously thinking we might need to use "other means of communication". I got paranoid after reading about the Internet war games planned by the gov. :scared:

[bear425]

54. I sent a request to join last week and I haven't

received a response yet. I guess I'll try again?

[dweller]

3. DU Panic Room

i believe you'll have to send the site admin a request to become a member.

It's not for discussion so much as to see if there is widespread outage, as opposed to individual.
but i'm sure discussion takes place all the same.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom/

dp

[BigBearJohn]

5. thanks -- I sent in requesting membership

[jimshoes]

13. I just did too

Old Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared".

[Just Me]

6. Have you searched "democratic underground" on either yahoo,...

,...or google lately?

Do it. You may be as surprised as I was when I did it earlier.

We need an alternative means of networking IMHO.

[dweller]

8. i have before

what should i be seeing?

dp

[Just Me]

10. Do it now,...what do you see?

Just, tell me what you see.

[Just Me]

16. Have you done that basic search, yet?

Please tell me the first ten entries that you see.

[dweller]

18. sorry, i left to take my daughter somewhere...

okay.
Democratic Underground
Democratic Underground provides political satire and commentary for Democrats.
Home of the Top Ten Conservative Idiots. Plus a great Discussion Forum.
www.democraticunderground.com/ - 52k - Jun 1, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Democratic Underground Forums - Board Main - Latest Threads
... Democratic Party. My Forums. My Forums: You may add up to 15 forums to your "My
Forums" list. ... 2001 - 2005 Democratic Underground, LLC.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ - 42k - Jun 1, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.democraticunderground.com >

Democratic Underground Store : CafePress.com
The Democratic Underground Store has merchandise for Democrats, liberals, and
progressives.
www.cafepress.com/du_store - 19k - Jun 1, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

The 10 Worst Quotes From The Democratic Underground For 2003 ...
Right Wing News is the best source on the net for conservative news, views, &
interviews.
www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/du.php - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

and from there on down the page the usual rightwing garbage.

so the top 3 are DU and the next 7 shit sites i wouldn't visit.

so, your point is...the DU panic room is not safe?
I realize your OP was about something more secure, i was just offering a suggestion for a site that was established.
sure, it could be taken down. So could most other sites.

dp

[Just Me]

19. Do you recall previous results?

I do. These are wildly different,...are they not? Last time I searched "democratic underground" there were literally thousands of pages that were G-E-N-U-I-N-E DU pages rather than right-wing attacks within the first three listed.

You never stated your previous experience.

I am not saying the panic room isn't safe.

I believe it is inadequate for purposes of networking.

[dweller]

20. yes, i do recall

so i got your point, i thought.

but here is a point about the Panic room that may be helpful. During the last 'downtime' several of us were checked into the DUpr site, and from there we were able to get the modified link 'upload.du, etc.

we couldn't get to it here, although it was posted here, b/c we ...couldn't get here. Someone did and posted it there. We were able to log back on with the revised link.

it was a big help.

dp

[Just Me]

21. That back door could easily be locked.

I'm no IT gizmo but I do listen to IT gizmos.

Do you believe we should be setting up a plan to pertuate our network in the event of hacking DU and DU's "panic room"? Or do you think I'm just being silly in proposing alternative means of communication?

[dweller]

22. no, hell no, not silly

yes, i think alternatives are in need. DUpr is one. It's a start.

but more are needed.

have i insulted you somehow? i dunno, i'm used to being ignored, but it seems you want to lay something on me for mentioning the site.
:shrug:

dp

[Just Me]

25. NO! NO! NO! Don't take my concern about effective networking,...

,...as some kind of personal attack on you. Please.

I'm just concerned that we are failing to create a plan which maintains our connection. I wasn't trying to beat up on you,...geez. :hug:

[dweller]

26. OK

:D

i wish the admins here could create a failsafe mechanism of some sort. They have every email addy of every member, and could contact during some crisis...that is as long as there is an internetsss. But if it goes down, well at that point i guess we'll be in the streets anyway.

i wish i knew the answer, but blogs may be the best avenue, or the old standard BBS, but then again, the reliance is on the internet...sss.


dp

[bunny planet]

51. Maybe we can start by PMing our favorite DU'ers, say a couple of dozen

people at a time, inquiring as to whether they'd mind swapping their contact information with us. Then ask each of them to do the same with a couple of dozen other DU'ers etc. OR we could do it by state, visit your state forum and try and get outside DU contact information for as many people who are willing and also concerned. Keep a list and add to it. If and when DU is messed with we might have the beginnings of an outside the internets network in a few months. The state idea seems really workable. It's a start, I know there are 70K of us, but if there is a thread posted asking DUers to do this as back-up, I'm sure they will be interested and we can begin to feel more secure about our abilities to connect should there be any 'disruptions', intentional or otherwise.

As they say, the revolution will not be televised, or online for that matter.

[dweller]

60. if there were a chain of some sort

where individuals could contact 1-5 ppl, who would know to contact 1-5 more, etc.

Someone would have to set it up tho, so that even physical distances weren't too great btwn contacts if it came down to having to actually find your contact.

i guess i'm imagining the worse case scenario...but in these times.

dp

[bunny planet]

31. Thank you, I just requested membership. I would really need a panic room

without DU.
:-)

[MzShellG]

39. Thank you..

I signed up just now. I dont know what I'd do without my DU :)

[Califooyah Operative]

49. thanks - bookmarked. nt

[lonestarnot]

63. signed up thanks

[Atman]

11. I've got a message board up and running that gets very little use

It even has political sections up and running. One is a password protected page we use to occasionally strategize away from the prying eyes of freepers. We did a lot of BUY BLUE organizing this way around election time, instead of leaving plans out in the open for the "opposition."

I don't know if it can handle DUs traffic, but it is always there if anyone needs it.

Click the NBY link below. The "FORUMS" link is right at the top of my page.

[Just Me]

12. I think creating a list of message boards like yours would be a means,...

,...of perpetuating our network.

We need a plan in place in maintain our ability to network. I appreciate that you are offering your board as a means to continue communication among one another, and I am writing down your board for purposes of keeping touch.

[BigBearJohn]

15. I agree. That's an excellent idea.

[Just Me]

17. Thanks, Big Bear. We have so many DUers who have,...

,...created their own blogs and sites. Surely, we can create a plan in hand with all that talent.

[Ladyhawk]

32. I agree with BigBearJohn.

BTW, thanks for keeping us hyped up over the Downing Street Memo. Your posts inspired me to send the information to everyone I knew who might sign Conyers' letter. I asked them to forward the information and at least one person did. If one person on his e-mail list forwards the info, it will get to even more people. I rolled a little snowball down the hill, but I think it will get pretty large by the time it hits the bottom of the slope. :)

If everyone does this, we will create a white-out! :D

Yes, we ARE pissed off and we are not going to take it anymore!!!!

[BigBearJohn]

42. I'm proud of you too! Keep up the good work. You are needed!!!

[Nothing Without Hope]

58. That sounds like a good idea to me. So does the idea that

further planning needs to be done in private, away from the eyes of hostile parties. Maybe people with non-tiny web sites could PM someone who is trusted so a list could be assembled?

[lonestarnot]

66. Thank you!

[Just Me]

23. So, only a handful of us are concerned about maintaining our network?

:shrug:

Hmmmm. Sticks to be broken rather than a bundle that can't be breached.

[dweller]

24. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1827306

dp

[Just Me]

27. Thank you for the resource.

We need a variety of resources to maintain our power.

We need a means of maintaining contact with one another which allows us all to feel securely united no matter what happens.

We need a plan which provides us with some security that we remain united in face of uncertainty.

[EFerrari]

28. Hi there -- this is a great question. I'll have to check back in

after I feed The Big One.

B.

[Just Me]

30. *LOL*

Gotcha' ;)

[maveric]

34. I'm very concerned and would like a list of alternative sites..

where we could meet.

[mogster]

48. I'll be a part of an alternative network if you like

I can put up a board in no time :-)

Just tell me if something are being organized, and I'll knuckle the keyboard :hi:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Well...

[Just Me]

36. oh, ya' poop!!! *LOL*

Don't make me laugh right now. I am being serious,...and being so freakin' tearfully sad after just finishing a talk with my favorite sibling whose leaving for training before his deploy to Iraq. :cry: Shit, my heart hurts so much!!! shit shit shit

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. I just talked a co-worker out of re-enlisting for the benefits.

He has a purple heart(IED) and knows how bad it is over there. I'm still convinced that he'll get plucked as an IRR candidate, though. The odds of getting killed are 1-3000, or so. Not great, but your sibling will probably survive. Best of luck.

[babylonsister]

38. I just popped in here. I am very sorry to hear

that, Just Me, especially from you as you are so passionate about fighting the BFEE. :hug:

[BigBearJohn]

43. I really feel for you. This is serious and life-changing. People forget.

Words just can't communicate the depth of a mother's love.
I do believe in God and I am praying that he sends his angels
to surround your love one with His protection.

[EFerrari]

45. I hate it when hearts do that.

:hug:
:grouphug:

[Just Me]

52. Thanks, you all.

I had to sign off 'cause I couldn't see through the tears anymore.

So many tear-soaked cheeks, swollen eyes, broken hearts,...so little time to fight our asses off to end such unnecessary suffering by those who exploit so many people.

[MzShellG]

40. Thanks for starting this thread.

I had been wondering about it as well. Especially with the recent glitches lately.

[NMMNG]

44. I applied for admission to the "panic room"

I haven't gotten accepted yet though :shrug:

[Jamastiene]

46. There is a script that could be used for the homepage

that would require everyone to know a username and passord to find the actual network. It would require us all to login and know the page name though. I'd have to go look at it (when I find all of my cdrom backups) again, but I seem to remember it working on networks that have the "virtual directory listing denied" deal.

Otherwise, we could just link back up somehow through individual emails to each other. Like if you know someone's email address on DU (pals), you could email them and see what they know, then they could email someone else, etc. until we link back up somehow... I wish I still had the business account with 150 megs of space, I'd offer to provide a private space for a little virtual "shelter/bunker" for us to safely hide out in until the jerk who attacked us could be stopped.

Actually, it would be fun to have a group just to share strategies on how we could get around every attack our computer techs on DU may know about, so we could have a solid, locked Plan B in case of an attack.

[lonestarnot]

65. Yeah. I tried to get in after signing and got a denial...whatsup wit dat?

[Pachamama]

47. Really good question..I've wondered the same thing....In the event of the

unthinkable (that w/ the neocon cabal running our country is not so unthinkable), I've often wondered what they would be capable of including shutting down key websites through hacking (like DU) that serve as means of communication.

It wouldn't be inconceivable that they wouldn't attempt to do that and even try to shut down internet access since they can't actually shut down the internet(s) (although I'm sure if there was/is a way, they'd try).

There needs to be multiple ways and locations of leaving messages and communicating, especially if these SOBS MIHOP/LIHOP a 9/11 type attack that puts our country in Level Red alert and even martial law.

I personally even have a list of my favorite DUers emails w/ whom I have built trusting relationships over time and kept notes of names of longtime DUers whose postings I like, trust and know to be true blue american patriots who in a time of crisis I'd reach out to....

With that said, I will also say that with some of the recent "revelations" on the DU by Skinner and others about how easy our info/profiles were available to Admins who could be ANYBODY, I have come to assume no place is safe for privacy or security of identity.

I assume in a "crisis" time like what many of us are thinking, that we need to be knowing and planning for many ways to communicate and share info...problem is, most if not all electronic means (cell phone, phone, email, internet etc) is easily shut down, intercepted etc...What are the alternatives? Paul Revere? :shrug:

[Paradise]

50. There's a DU Panic Room at Yahoo!

Here's the link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom (Registration Required)

It's up and running, up-to-date. :thumbsup:

[Occulus]

56. I think we should also have more realtime options

An IRC room would be a good idea. Our mods here could be our mods in there, and we can keep out the Freeps by making the channel invite only and kick/banning anyone who makes trouble.

I've been using IRC for a decade or so, and it's amazing to me how many people don't know the first thing about it.

[Paradise]

67. lol :)

don't know the first thing about it but it sounds good...

[Singleterri]

55. Maybe everyone should meet up on a designated newsgroup

Anyone can get newsgroup access through Google Groups.

[Nothing Without Hope]

57. Daily Kos' servers are owned by a commercial firm at an undisclosed

location in New York state, according to Kos, so someone breaking into his home would not be able to damage the database. He made a point of saying that during his TV interview some time back. I hope that there is a mirror site or some other backup for DU, though of course what it might be could not be publicized. (Hi, Agent Mike & miscellaneous trolls and freepers! :hi: )

Skinner is a wise and experienced fellow, and just imagine what he's seen of malicious intrusion by this time. He is not naive. Surely he and the other admins have some way of preserving the essential core of DU so that a hacking attack or physical break-in could not destroy it. I imagine they must have thought about that quite early in DU's evolution, and now that it has become an ever more vital progressive tool and venue, surely they are aware that the stakes have risen.

They won't and shouldn't tell us what they have done, but I'm sure they've done something in preparation for malicious attack. Just think of the elaborate setup to detect and remove disruptive messages and trolls from the discussions and from membership. These are not people who are going to be caught by surprise at the idea that hostile forces would like to destroy the site and the network that has developed around it.

[Nothing Without Hope]

59. Another potential tool - encrypted or anonymous emails and web sites:

http://www.cryptoheaven.com

[sellitman]

61. Here is my recommendation:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ihatebushfanclub/

Join us!

(Ok...it's a shameless plug for a group I moderate but it has already a large base and a chat room)

[Tux]

62. Google Groups

It's free and can be used the next time terrorists attack the forum. How those anti-American freepers get away this is unknown. Best to have 2 groups, one at Yahoo and one at Google for backups. They'll send their Christian army at us one day and we'll need a reliable form of communication to organize a retreat and to assist in our own survival againt the Christian death squads.

[mikelgb]

64. backups

make sure the mods backup the data regularly onto a separate off-line device.

[Just Me]

68. Lots of great suggestions. Let's solidify a plan!!!

I am taking note of all those offering their blogs.

It would be awesome if we could set up a system that secures our advocacy.

[formercia]

69. A dial-up BBS

Remember those days?

What to do when the internet is history.


and, yes, there are still some hard core BBS operators out there. Give them your support, you never know when you might need them.

Oh, that's right, you have a cell phone. Sorry, Fearless Leader will shut down that too.

[formercia]

70. kick