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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:24 PM
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O'Reilly: Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy to Bring Bush Down

Here is the O'Reilly article on the big liberal conspiracy to bring Bush down so Hillary can win in 2008. And I also have the transcript of Morris and O'Reilly talking about the issue and O'Reilly's article on it. I have just one thing to say, Bill you need mental help, please get it fast.

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Hurting Your Country

By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com

Thursday, Jun 02, 2005

So how did the USA go from being a beacon of freedom to a champion of the gulag? How exactly did that happen? Well, pull up a chair, here's what happened.

After President Bush won re-election last November, there was much consternation among some powerful anti-Bush Americans. They were stunned that John Kerry lost and feared that if Bush succeeds in his second term, the Democrats would lose again in 2008.

Then came the successful election in Iraq, and the fear on the left multiplied. If Iraq turned out to be a success, Mr. Bush would become a hero. So the need to undermine the Bush administration became more intense than ever. But how to do it? Social Security wasn't emotional enough, particularly for young voters. What could be done to hurt Bush?

Then came the revelation--let's torture the President.

The New York Times had already primed the pump, running more than 50 front-page stories on the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Then came reports from the International Red Cross that more abuse was happening at Guantanamo. The American Civil Liberties Union was already challenging detentions there and so a strategy was sealed: the Bush administration was full of torturers and human rights violators. It was ruining America's reputation throughout the world. Bush was a villain.

It was easy to get that thesis out. The left-wing websites fed anti-Bush columnists like Bob Herbert and Richard Cohen information and the drumbeat intensified. There was torture and abuse and murder all sanctioned by the evil Bush administration. Article after article appeared and soon some TV people followed along. It didn't take long before the torture seed was fully sown.

Full Story:

http://www.billoreilly.com/currentarticle

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SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR 8:00 PM EST

June 2, 2005 Thursday

DICK MORRIS, POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, there's nothing but relevance. Deep Throat was the first whistleblower. And politics was the first institution on which the whistle was blown.

Now we've so institutionalized whistleblowers, we have statutes protecting them and outlining their rights. And every institution has had its own Watergate. The Catholic church, the journalistic profession, television quiz shows. Everybody has had their Watergates with their whistleblowers.

But Deep Throat was the first. And I understand later tonight from your promo, you have the judge on saying that...

O'REILLY: Yes, right after you. This guy could be criminally involved.

MORRIS: I think this guy deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor.

O'REILLY: But -- right. And it's interesting. We have a new poll question to tell everybody about. But Americans are divided on this.

MORRIS: Yes.

O'REILLY: Is there any similarity in your mind to Linda Tripp?

MORRIS: Oh, yes, sure. Sure. The whole idea of somebody that takes their career or their life in their hands and risks it for what they think is right, whether it's liberal or conservative, is a very important idea.

And, you know, I worked in the Clinton White House. So people always assume I know all about space aliens, or whatever, or the government secrets. And did the government really plan this or do that? Or did Bush know about 9-11? Because of Deep Throat and the whistleblower, you can't do stuff like that anymore.

O'REILLY: No. You can't.

MORRIS: Because somebody's going to blow the whistle and be...

O'REILLY: Somebody will find out and leak it to the press. So you believe that what this guy did set the tone for political behavior up until today?

MORRIS: Exactly.

O'REILLY: OK. Now let's get on to something that's very, very important. My new column, I just finished, it's on billoreilly.com.

MORRIS: It's a good column.

O'REILLY: Both Dick Morris and I write for The New York Post. It'll be in The Post tomorrow. Outlines a very brilliant strategy to undermine the Bush administration...

MORRIS: That's right.

O'REILLY: ...all right, by using torture allegations.

MORRIS: Yes.

O'REILLY: All right? And I want everybody to read the column, if you can. Go to billoreilly.com. It's there right now. Do you believe that strategy is true?

MORRIS: Yes.

O'REILLY: Or am I crazy?

MORRIS: No. Well, I don't know if you're crazy or not, but...

O'REILLY: Well, thank you.

MORRIS: ...that's a broader question.

On the narrow question of this one, you're not crazy on this issue. Yes, clearly, this is a deliberate post-election strategy to take Bush down. And the problem is that George Bush, the family doesn't like politics. You know, they're in politics.

O'REILLY: They don't like confrontation.

MORRIS: Yes, they don't like campaigning. They don't like going toe to toe. If you have to, you will.

But now the election's over. And they figure, hey, politics is gone. Bill Clinton had a rule. Never sleep under the same roof with an unanswered allegation. The minute the allegation comes out, you answer it. And you go on the offensive against it.

And during the campaign, Rove and Karen Hughes and all those good folks there did a great job of doing it. But now they're saying the election's over. And therefore we don't have to do it. And it ignores the fundamental fact, which is the war in Iraq is being waged in American public opinion.

We're not going to lose in the streets of Baghdad. We're going to lose if the American people lose patience with this war, like they did in Vietnam.

O'REILLY: All right, but there's a bigger question that I deal with. And that is putting Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2008. The strategy is to combine the human rights groups and the ACLU with the left wing Web sites, who feed stuff to the anti-Bush columnists in The New York Times, The L.A. Times, the Boston Globe, and all those papers.

MORRIS: You could call it a vast left wing conspiracy.

O'REILLY: Well, it's very well coordinated. To create the impression that we, America, are the bad guys.

MORRIS: Right.

O'REILLY: We are the torturers. We're the gulag people.

MORRIS: Right.

O'REILLY: It's working.

MORRIS: Yes. And it obviously works in with al Qaeda and al Jazeera and all of those.

O'REILLY: Sure, because they pick up that stuff right away and circulate it. Right.

MORRIS: But Bush has got to answer this.

O'REILLY: He's not. He's not answering it. He just denies it.

MORRIS: The idea you had yesterday, I think, is the best, which is that you set up a commission to investigate it.

O'REILLY: Right.

MORRIS: When something like this happens, a politician has a choice. He can be the prosecutor or the defendant. If he says I just deny it, it's not true, and all that, he's the defendant. But if he says I want to get to the bottom of this, and if there are some sadists...

O'REILLY: Yes, we'll find them.

MORRIS: ...(INAUDIBLE), and obviously there are a few.

O'REILLY: And if there are a better way to handle the detainees, we want to hear about it.

MORRIS: We'll find it. And we're going to get to the bottom of it.

O'REILLY: Right. Isn't this brilliant, though?

MORRIS: The left is doing a brilliant job. It's capitalizing on the (INAUDIBLE) of the Bush administration.

O'REILLY: This -- I understand. But I have to give the devil his due. This is dishonest.

MORRIS: Yes.

O'REILLY: It's absolutely dishonest. It's brilliant -- how they want to dismantle the Bush administration and then leave the door open for Hillary to walk in 2008.

MORRIS: Bush doesn't get it.

O'REILLY: No, he doesn't.

MORRIS: That this is not about politics. This is about winning the war. Because in the last analysis, in any democracy, a foreign war is a war for domestic public opinion.

O'REILLY: You got to sell it. Right.

MORRIS: When domestic public opinion runs out, you get -- you lose the war.

O'REILLY: OK. Dick Morris, thanks very much. Again, that column is on billoreilly.com in The New York Post and hundreds of other papers from coast to coast. And we hope you do read it. Thanks again.



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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:24 PM
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1. Thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNETs ;-)
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 02:26 PM by bpilgrim

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the VLWC is everywhere :bounce:

psst... pass the word ;->

peace
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:25 PM
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2. baaa haaa haaaa haaaa
haaaaa!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:29 PM
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:32 PM
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8. O'Reilly is brilliant
First he says that what the government is doing at places like Guantanamo is perfectly fine since those people are terrorists. Then he goes on to back that up by saying out 68,000 that we have taken most have been released. What a fucking idiot, how can you release known terrorists? Unless of course they aren't know terrorists and the evidance against them is flimsy...hmm. Welcome to the spin zone.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:40 PM
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12. Hmm...a hanging fastball right over the plate yet you missed it wildly
Even if you believe bush*co numbers (which I suggest you multiply by a lie factor of 2500) they are still ADMITTING to 100 cases of "wrongdoing". How many cases of "wrongdoing" will you accept in your name?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:40 PM
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13. That's why we need a thorough investigation.
Not only about how many were tortured, but about WHERE THE ORDERS CAME FROM.

When the top muckity mucks in the admin are writing memos about how they can dance around torture laws, there's a very good argument to be made that Pvt. Lynch and her ilk are NOT the ones who should be up there on the stand.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:09 PM
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15. Pvt. Lynch and her ilk certainly are the ones who should be on the STAND
it's just that they ain't the only ones nor worse offenders. This goes right to the top.

peace
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:10 PM
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18. I assume you mean Pvt. England.
Jessica Lynch didn't do anything except get lit up in combat. As the holder of two enemy marksmanship awards (Purple Hearts), I tend to come down on her side. Sweet Lyndie is a whole 'nother story.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:18 PM
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37. D'oh!
my bad, that's exactly who i met and i assume the OP since why would she be on the 'stand' :shrug:

thanks :hi:

peace
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:29 PM
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4. Insane they are.
Here is the most insane part of that exchange:

MORRIS: That this is not about politics. This is about winning the war. Because in the last analysis, in any democracy, a foreign war is a war for domestic public opinion.

O'REILLY: You got to sell it. Right.

MORRIS: When domestic public opinion runs out, you get -- you lose the war.

How about being honest about the war- then you wont have to sell it!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:29 PM
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5. Well aren't we powerful!
Isn't it fasciniating that the righties have got a deathgrip on this country and they're still playing the victim?

It's called the Bully Syndrome:

They can dish it out but they can't take it. Poor persecuted Republicans.:puke:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:32 PM
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6. Have you noticed that the ONLY people talking about Hillary
running in '08 are REPUKES? They want her to be the candidate so bad they can taste it. We'll pick our own candidate, thank you very much. Morris is such a damn sorry loser. He needs to go find that prostitute again and shut the hell up. :grr:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:27 PM
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23. Sure have noticed
The Repugs really want Hillary nominated.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:32 PM
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7. Oh good grief
I saw an interview of Hillary's on CNN (it's at dembloggers.com you have to go back a few page's) and she said she's concentrating on 2006, as she should, and she's not worried about the future. I don't know why they're pushing Hillary. I guess they think we're so dumb we're going to fall for their little plan and they think she's easy to beat. :eyes:
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:20 PM
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19. This is why the right is pushing Hillary
she raises money for them. People have such a visceral hatred for her, that she's a fundraiser for their bigotry. And make no mistake. Hatred of women is a big part of this venomous vitriol. They've heard Rush + Co. vilify her every day for ten years. She's Satan. She's the ex-wife, bitchy boss, valedictorian, whatever it is they resent and fear. All wrapped in one Senatorial package. I've asked Hillary haters why they turn murderous when her name comes up. I've heard "that stuff in Arkansas"...what stuff? Define what she did against the law. They can't. It's "stuff". Something they heard on hate radio. Plus "healthcare". OK. Again. What specifically did she do to hurt the American people on healthcare? Goodness knows, we need healthcare. But they can't answer. They just hate her. She's a woman. She's smart. She's powerful. And that's enough.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:01 PM
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31. Hillary- the candidate that launched a million
pundits--- without Hillary on the scene, Dick Morris has to go back to sucking the toes of skanks he picks up on Route 1, not the high class ones he gets with his FauxNews checks.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:48 PM
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41. Thank you!! I've been thinking this for a long time!!
Well said.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:40 PM
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47. They'e too STINKY to raise
with out Hillary!
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:34 PM
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9. O'rielly's not far down on the "things to get rid of list" himself. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:38 PM
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10. Have these men NO SHAME? "You got to sell it. Right."
They're talking about a NEEDLESS WAR. A war which has taken the lives of over 1,000 soldiers. A war that has killed untold numbers of civilians. A war which WAS NOT IN RESPONSE TO AGGRESSION!

Iraq was no longer a threat to us... we had been bombing them for a decade! That alone killed many innocent Iraqis!

I hope these monsters don't consider themselves to be religious at all... reading that crap was fucking sickening.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:39 PM
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11. Proud Member of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy...aka
Majority of Citizens of the United States of America
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:04 PM
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14. If only!
Let's just hope that we can once again build up to being vast enough to support a conspiracy.
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evolved Anarchopunk Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:10 PM
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16. The accurate transcription of the exchange
, as usual, is the best part. Analogous to untouched transcripts of Bush's mouth-leak speeches (uh- uhm- and the occasional err- included) the "inaudible" parts of this joint backslapping show the weakness of the whole premise. My favorite?

Morris: It's capitalizing on the (INAUDIBLE) of the Bush administration.

O'REILLY: This -- I understand


p.s. I saw an O'Reilly shirt I'd only seen online in DC today. The *very small unreadable text* "please don't" *VERY LARGE LETTERS* "KILL BILL O'REILLY"

..i smiled :)
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:00 PM
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17. It's not a conspiracy
bush has flagrantly committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors against the United States of America. We are very open, up front, straightforward and following the letter of the law in order to bring him down. No secrets here.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:21 PM
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20. B.O.'s a conspiracy theorist all of a sudden?
and Dick Morris is his intellectual sidekick! Oh these two deserve each other.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:23 PM
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21. And the, Billy Boy, we're coming for you!!!! And Dick Morriss!!!!
n/t

Hey, it sure seems unfair when the other side fights back. What a bunch of spoiled children.

So glad the "adults" are in charge in Washington.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:25 PM
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22. What a pair to draw to
The toe-sucker and Mr. "Combat" himself.

Why anyone would anything either of these two dipshits say or write is beyond me.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:32 PM
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24. For fair'n'balanced, O'Really seems to be chatting up this crap a friend!
They're doing the selling.

Insider memos from Bush's partners in Baghdadgate are selling nothing.

Sorry bill, go shove it back where the sun don't shine.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:41 PM
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25. Gack! It's because of stupid shit like this that I don't pay attention
To O'Lielly. He's ignorant of history: Deep Throat as the first whistleblower? Please, I can think of a half dozen whistleblowing cases off the top of my head, Teapot Dome anybody?

He's a dumbass for confirming shit like the fact(according to him) that there were at least one hundred cases of torture. That's unacceptable.

He's bigotted and biased and a hypocrite. Billy boy thought it was all Okey Dokey when Scaiffe and the rest, including Bill, were piling on Clinton, all the while poo pooing the notion of a VWRC. However when Bushboy is being called out for actual crimes, all the sudden Li'l Billy is all the sudden a conspiracy theorist:wtf: Give me a fucking break Bill, you ignorant moron.

And Bill is staying true to that Neo-Con RW shill form, outraged at the outrage, not at the crime.

Of course what else would one expect from a former entertainment reporter, except fiction.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:44 PM
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26. We are the vast, MAJORITY, sane conspiracy.
It is indeed vast and it is indeed a conspiracy. This fucker is going down so hard that I think the Republican party will be permanently scarred from it.

Enjoy the backlash, fucknozzles.
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tmorelli415 Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:45 PM
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27. He's right
there is a vast grassroots movement to remove this criminal from office. Call it whatever you want - we're not ashamed to be the only people in the coutnry who love our contry enough to staned up for it and do the hard work. No apologies. No regrets. No turning back.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:50 PM
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28. We need more people in the conspiracy
We need everybody to bring Bush down!
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 05:44 PM
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29. And to think O'Reilly's ratings are in free-fall....
with brilliant stuff like this coming from him.

The Right is making Bush sound worse than we could--and us sound
more powerful and organized that we are!

Thanks, Bill!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 05:48 PM
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30. How can anyone with a brain pay attention to these two
political hacks or even watch FAUX news? The NY Post is also a sick whore.

Elpaso
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:06 PM
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32. Bill asks, I answer.
"O'REILLY: And if there are a better way to handle the detainees, we want to hear about it."

Stop making naked pyramids? No electrodes to the genitals mebbe? No lightsticks up the jacksie? No more attack dogs? Silly me. Whatever was I thinking.

And stop blaming the foot soldiers for DOING WHAT THEY WERE ORDERED TO DO and not the ones WHO GAVE THE ORDERS IN THE FIRST PLACE.



Gee, that almost sounds like... the thinking of an "Independent"
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:06 PM
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33. It's not a conspiracy...it's a Criminal Indictment
Nothing secret about our efforts to bring this international War Criminal to justice.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:10 PM
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34. The Bizarro World.
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 06:24 PM by Eric J in MN
According to Bill O'Reilly:

Bush isn't torturing people.

He's the one being tortured.

Look at this photo of Bush:



No, wait, that's an Iraqi tortured to death under Bush's policies.

Bill O'Reilly is wrong.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:10 PM
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35. O'Reilly is living in an alternate universe
Is he saying that Abu Ghraib was no big deal? Is he saying that there is no torture or humiliating treatment at Guantanamo and Bagram? Is he saying there is no such thing as extraordiniary rendition? Is he saying that General Myers is a credible source?

Is he saying that Bush's failure to convince most Americans that his Social Security package is worthwhile hasn't hurt him?

Oh, and Billy Boy, you left out the Terry Schiavo fiasco and the ham handed assault on the Senate filibuster. Bush may be trying to look like his above the fray on that, but he's doing a lousy job of it. And those things have hurt him, too.

Back to torture, Billy Boy, I've got something to tell you. Torture and humiliation is widespread. Bush is a villain. And his administration is full of torturers and human rights violators.

And he and his aides will answer for their crimes.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:15 PM
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36. Yeah, we know ALL about O'Liely and bush... hmmm... pun intended
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:21 PM
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38. there's blood in the water
and I feel like a fuckin shark
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:24 PM
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39. Getting ready for the revelation of the new photos?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:26 PM
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40. What a stooge
I wonder how this guy can even look into a mirror without vomiting. What is the going rate nowadays when you sell your soul, anyway? Rove probably got the deed for it for a dollar as Bill whores himself out cheap.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:53 PM
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42. Bill O'Reilly and his uncontrollable ego...
His arrogance and vanity will be his downfall.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:09 PM
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43. Impeach the entire Bush Regime
The entire Bush Regime are War Criminals. Impeaching only GW Bush does not solve the issue. The Dems need to get rid of Delay and Frist ASAP. When the resignations come down a Dem needs to be in line for Pres.
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not fooled Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:25 PM
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44. Um, Bill...
...didn't you say at one point that if * was lyin' about WMD, you'd never trust him again???

So, what happened, Bill? LYING doesn't matter? Or not when done by * or other 'pukes???
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:36 PM
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45. A straight talking conservative
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46. hiccup
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