if it were found that the u.s. staged 9-11, bush lovers would justify it.

[mopaul]

and the next staged terror attack as well. true believer kool aid drinkers would say the same thing they've been saying for years, well, the government knows best and i'm sure it was for our own good and god bless the president.

i've even heard a couple repubs come dangerously close to saying just that. that the PNAC plan to 'stabilize' the world is the goal to be achieved, no matter what the cost.

THAT'S how deep their psychosis is.

[emanymton]

1. Too True

[baldguy]

2. Rationalizing irrationality

Republicans do it in their personal lives, and in their professional lives. It shouldn't be surprising to find they do it in their politics as well.

[RC]

3. There is plenty of evidence to strongly suggest MIHOP.

Could Afghanistan & Iraq happen without a 9/11 event? The whopping inconsistent lies about both from our government are common knowledge to those that pay attention to what is going on.

[marmar]

13. It's a very disturbing concept...

and most people just shut down when you even begin to discuss it - even my head spins. But the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. The coordination of the attacks, the inconsistencies of the stories, the advance warnings, the mystery of the plane that hit the Pentagon - it's all a bit much to swallow. A similar Hollywood movie plot would be considered too unrealistic.

[RethugAssKicker]

25. Plus, how did they have the pictures

and the identities of the 19 hijackers so quickly?

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Advance knowledge obviously.

MIHOP definitely!

[tedoll78]

4. Who cares? Those lives only belonged to librul New Yorkers.

it's not like the terrorists attacked the cafe on the town square..
or th' honkey tonk out on Highway 6..
or the Wal-Mart on the outskirts of town..

...

[Midlodemocrat]

5. We will make them a democracy if we have to kill

...every last one of them.

[liberal N proud]

6. You are so correct.

[oblivious]

7. Republicans laughed & cheered everytime he mentioned winning the trifecta.

[Puglover]

8. I've often said

that if their monkey king stood on his desk in the oval office and took a crap on it on live TV these clueless fools would say something like "Well, at least it's not oral sex like Clinton did"
:eyes:

[KlatooBNikto]

9. I am even certain they are reaching a stage where they will publicly

and proudly admit to having staged 9/11 as a way to show what a great leader Bush is.Willing to sacrifice a "few" American lives in order to achieve a greater goal.

[mopaul]

10. embrace the horror

when a lady asked hitler about the death camps, he told her that we must not be too sentimental about such things

[KlatooBNikto]

12. We have met the enemy and it is us.

[Zensea]

11. I have a bridge for sale

Thought you might be interested in it.

[mopaul]

14. how much?

where?

[KlatooBNikto]

15. If after all these years you cannot see the evidence in front of you, you

are beyond the reach of reasonable men.

[Zensea]

16. the evidence I see

is a hidden profile

and this evidence here
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/index.html

and this evidence here
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/rasulbush021902pet.html

and this evidence here
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1230-07.htm

I've seen plenty of evidence.

The Pogo line about the enemy being us, is what happens if we ascribe evil to all Bush lovers, unless you are limiting the term Bush lovers to the truly demented Machiavellian versions. I'm willing to bet there are plenty of Bush lovers who would be truly disgusted if it was proven to them that 9-11 was planned by the BFEE. Of course there are those who would argue for the end justfying the means, but this broad brush hatred of Bush lovers is silly and certainly not a reasoned take on things.

[KlatooBNikto]

21. Let me point out the evidence I see and let us compare notes.On the

side, I will also define what I mean by Bush lovers.

I see an election in 2000 in which a vast number of our black citizens were intentionally deprived of their voting rights on specious grounds.

I see an election decided by a Supreme Court which was beholden to the Bushes.

I see a media coopted by the Bush's corporate friends.

I see a trigger event that happened out of nowhere,9/11, whose investigation at every turn was stone walled by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

I see a war launched on an innocent country on cooked up pretexts with an entire Congress falling in lockstep with the logic of Bush when all evidence pointed to the contrary.

I see tortures committed in our name with no accountability.

I see wholesale killings of civilians.

I see....., need I say more.

When I talk about Bush lovers, I think my broad brush characterization is warranted because anyone who can shut his eyes to this massive evidence, is, by definition, a Bush lover. I have not seen a groundswell of outrgae even after the lack of WMD's were disclosed and the tortures at Abu Ghraib became open.

So, I reject your apologia for Bush or his lovers.Or your condescending words for the poster.

[Zensea]

24. 9-11 did not come out of nowhere

It was a long time coming.
I made no apologia for Bush, that is a complete mischaracterization.
The links I provided are a direct attack and critique of the Bush administration. How is that an apologia???

Speaking of condescending, this looks condescending to me (your original response to me)
"If after all these years you cannot see the evidence in front of you, you are beyond the reach of reasonable men."

All this stuff you see that you posted does not show 9-11 was planned by the BFEE or that if it was proven that it was planned by them, that "Bush Lovers" would justify it. It shows there is something "rotten in Denmark" for sure, but it is a tangent.

[KlatooBNikto]

26. If they had not planned for it, they at least expressed a wish that it

would happen so they could implement their war plans.Lo, and behold, it falls into their laps as if on cue! If they have not justified it yet, they have done a reasonable facsimile of it when they stonewalled all investigations, refused to testify under oath, and for the first time in history, both Cheney and Bush were allowed to appear together behind closed doors to "testify" to their sham commission.

I am not sure what you are saying yet but anyone who cannot summon outrage at the list I have enumerated would fall under the rubric of Bush Lover to me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Partly true

but I believe that a lot of his supporters would turn on him if evidence proved he was involved in 9/11. Nothing will deter those who truly love him, but the majority of those who voted for him are not really in love with him, IMO.

So disclosing his involvement (with definitive proof) would be disastrous for him and the Republicans.

I can't help but compare this to Nixon and Watergate. In the '76 election, Mickey Mouse could have run as a Democrat and won. Nixon brought down his entire party. And Watergate is peanuts compared to 9/11.

[kiki]

18. Well...

...correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think PNAC says anything about murdering American citizens (although Northwoods kinda does). It's more about building a new world order on the bones of ragheads, gooks, assorted darkies, homosexual Frenchmen, and other non-American scum - and of course the noble, unfortunate young cannon fodder that the assholes support with their bumper stickers. And of course, your average Bush voter is just fine with that.

(I'm a total MIHOPer by the way.)

[mopaul]

19. a pearl harbor type event. that's killing americans ain't it?

[kiki]

22. I guess it is at that...

...although, just like the "Remember the Maine" option in Northwoods, there's a tacit implication that only military people and materiel would be targeted (as if the whole idea wasn't completely abhorrent anyway, and merely murdering innocent soldiers was completely A-OK). And we all know that when the black ops chaps do their thing, they never, EVER hit civilians by mistake...

Oddly enough, a friend brought this up the other day when I mentioned "Remeber the Maine" in the context of 9-11... he said, "But the ship would be a military target, not civilian like the WTC." I mentioned that Northwoods also mentions blowing up Cuban refugees, but of course they're not Americans yet, so that's OK. So it seems that, in their delightful little blueprints for world domination, the New Fascists always pull just short of saying, "Let's kill American civilians."

[mopaul]

23. there have been many trumped up phony wars in american history

this recent one is only the most recent

[kiki]

27. Indeed...

...doing some research a little while back, I posted on DU asking people to name examples of trumped-up wars a la Vietnam (the Tonkin Gulf), the Spanish-American War (the Maine), and of course Iraq (insert bullshit justification here). Taking into account the theories about Pearl Harbour, it started to look like there hasn't been a genuinely justified war in history.

[AntiCoup2K4]

31. The reason PNAC/BCE didn't choose a military target for 9/11

Everything these fuckers do is political. They don't want to risk military votes when they can just as easily kill a bunch of "librul" New Yorkers. Granted, the capitalist nature of the World Trade Center probably meant that a lot of those folks were, in fact, Republicans. But a NYC Republican is different than a Bible Belt Busheep Republican.

The next arranged "terraist" attack will likely be somewhere on the West Coast. Except for San Diego and Orange County, they really can't lose anywhere else on the Pacific.

The only way there would be a terrorist attack in a "red state" is if it were another Mc Veigh/Rudolph type of operation, in which case they would find a convenient brown-skinned scapegoat anyway.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. The right wingnuts might try to justify it...

...but the rank-and-file Americans who voted for Bush (i.e. the self-absorbed types who believed the SBVT bullshit and voted for the "other guy") still remember sitting in front of their TV's and watching both towers fall. I really doubt they could still support anything Repug after that.

[LizW]

28. I just finally finished reading "Crossing the Rubicon"

It's Michael Ruppert's comprehensive tome on how and why 9/11 happened. He believes sort of a hybrid LIHOP/MIHOP (LIHOP until Cheney's energy task force met and determined that peak oil was here and that something drastic had to be done, and MIHOP after that), with Cheney as the criminal "maestro".

It took me at least four months to read it because it paints such a devastating picture of the world that I got too depressed and frightened and kept having to put it down and read other things.

I don't want to believe that the people would stand down and accept it if Ruppert's allegations proved to be true, but I honestly don't know what would happen. I don't even know how it could ever be exposed if it is true. The news media is so completely compromised I don't think they would touch it even if they had proof. The foreign press would be ignored and ridiculed, and the right wing press would deny it 24/7.

It is so horrible to think that our own government, our countrymen, would attack us in such a way that NO ONE would want to believe it. Then there are the questions of how the nation would survive the crisis. How do you try such people? How do you figure out who was involved? How does the government continue to function when a widespread conspiracy is uncovered at the very top levels? Who can we trust when practically the whole Congress was taken in and gave over its power to murderers, and the Supreme Court were the ones who placed the murderers in power in the first place?

What parts of our social and governmental structure could survive? Many of our state governments are corrupted by association (and money). Would the FBI continue to function if they were exposed to have failed to uncover such a plot to cause the mass murder of U.S. citizens? What would the military do once "decapitated"?

Add on top of that the fixed elections and there is just no structure left for people to grab onto. No one is going to want to believe that everything they've trusted is a lie, and that life as they knew it is over. The fall of Bushco would even threaten the religious faith of large numbers of people, because their ministers have been telling them that Bush is good and right.

Acknowledging the extent of corruption in our government is like getting a diagnosis of stage 4 cancer, and the treatment could kill us. No one wants to hear that.

[raccoon]

29. great post nt

[KlatooBNikto]

30. I believe that the cancer in our society has been building for a long time

What was hidden in the underbelly of our institutions has now emerged full force in all its virulence under Bush.No deed, however wicked, is beyond these men.No lie is too low for them to utter so long as it serves their ends.No hatred however reprehensible is farfetched to be pressed into their service.

We are a sick nation.We have only a few courageous souls like Senator Byrd,Paul Krugman, Sy Hersh,Jimmy Breslin and others who stand between us and utter darkness.

[LizW]

34. Thank goodness for those people you mention

When I read Sy Hersh or Howard Zinn or Paul Krugman I feel like I'm hearing someone speaking a language I understand, finally. We hear so much gibberish and doublespeak that real truth is such a relief.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Stabilize the world = dominate the world.