Would You Accept A Full Pardon For Bush If He Agreed To Resign?

[DistressedAmerican]

I would not be happy about it. I want to see him tried and imprisoned like a the war criminal he is.

However, if a deal could be reached, I'd make it. I'd give a fat pension and everything...

What would you be willing to give up?

[LiberalVoice]

1. A full Pardon for Bush to make Cheney President? No thanks. nt

[etherealtruth]

5. That was my thought exactly ...

It would take the resignation of the entire evil cabal...

[JerseygirlCT]

99. Yup, absolutely

AND they'd all need to testify under immunity about their crimes.

I want it all out in the sunshine.

[Walt Starr]

14. BINGO! n/t

[johnfunk]

82. Full pardon for the Chimp ONLY if he has Cheney indicted!

And ONLY if Big Time Dick is convicted.

[Crankie Avalon]

Does thar mean Cheney would take over?

Not much of a deal, then.

[DistressedAmerican]

12. I Guess I Was Assuming Both Of Them. For Argument Let's Say That...

That Would Still Leave Pigs To Fill The Job.

On the other hand, at least it would be good for the historical record. And it is some guaranteed punishment. Unlike his current situation where ANY form of punishment is extremely unlikely

[Crankie Avalon]

24. I don't know...

...the two of them stepping down because they admit they are unworthy of office might be something, but I can't imagine pardoning them just for that. If it doesn't immediately change what our leadership is doing for the better ("That would still leave pigs to fill the job."), why bother?

History will judge them regardless of what they say or don't say about themselves. I wouldn't put myself in a position of saying "OK, you're allowed to get away with it so long as you admit you're wrong." I will never stop knowing they deserve to be punished, and whther or not they will ever actually be punished doesn't change that.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. Considering it's the only way to get him out, yeah.

We sure as shit won't be able to impeach him.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

21. Only if he agrees to testify against the rest of the cabal running

this country. We all know what a chicken$hit Chimpy is so this is not above the realm of possibility. Chimpy would rat out his own mother, wife and kids if it meant he never had to face up to any of his responsibilities and "hard work." I'd hate like hell to see him go skipping off into the sunset AGAIN however I would agree to a pardon but only after he makes sure that every single person who aided and abetted this bunch of a$$wipes to steal this country are behind bars. And he promises, promises in a blood oath never, ever to leave the "ranch" in Crawford. talk publicly and makes sure Pickles and the twins don't either.

Of course, knowing the "honor" among this bunch the authorities would probably have to draw straws to see who gets to rat the others out first. They are good at CYA but not much of anything else.

I want to see Chimpy, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, Frist, DeLay and hundreds of others do the perp walk in those flashy orange outfits. If we have to give up the dumbest one of the bunch to get the others, I'd live with that but nothing less.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. Let's be honest though - if he leaves, it will be in disgrace.

Nixon didn't have to rat out the rest of the administration for people to know the whole thing was diseased. I don't think this would be any difference.

[tinrobot]

48. Yep, It's not like Nixon's buddies Cheney and Rumsfeld

...ever did anything after 1974.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

50. Yeah, because we'd really convict ALL of this administration.

Those guys were far enough down at the time that they'd have gotten away with it anyway.

[tk2kewl]

3. such a deal would require other heads to roll

the GOP would need to be completely and utterly disgraced

[Sandpiper]

4. No

It would just reinforce the message that if you get to the top, you will never be held accountable for your misdeeds.

[Jacobin]

6. If you won the lottery would you demand a one time payment

or would you refuse it if you only got 20 annual payments?

yer kiddin' right?

[Itsthetruth]

9. NO!

eom

[crimson333]

38. you make more money in the long run with a lump sum payment

if invested correctly

[crimson333]

13. I know I want the one time payment

[darkism]

90. Absolutely not. Trial in international court and life imprisonment...

...is the only answer.

[nickinSTL]

7. not good enough if Cheney doesn't go down too

I'd love to see him go...but getting rid of him just to get cheney in as Pres instead...no. But if they BOTH go...that might be worth it.

[bunkerbuster1]

19. I'd rather see Cheney in charge.

I've thought about this awhile, since we often lust after the idea of Chimpeachment but not-so-often consider what a Cheney presidency would mean. Here's what I'd like about it:

1) We'd be dealing with the organ grinder rather than the monkey, so to speak. No need to try to sort out the baffling Bushisms; if Cheney has any redeeming qualities, it's that he's capable of cutting to the shit without trying to candy-coat things. (I think it makes him physically ill to candy-coat things.)

2) Who wouldn't like for Cheney to be the face of Republican leadership? Be still my beating heart!

[DistressedAmerican]

40. You Have A Good Point! Let's Start Dealing With The Real President!

[dubyaD40web]

8. Sure, I'd go along with it. Then when he resigned....

...I'd pull a republican move on him and say "sorry, we were just kidding" and slap the cuffs on him.

[FloridaPat]

10. I want to see the entire republican party in the tank. I want people to

be so totally embarassed they even thought of supporting these traitors, that no one but the religious extrememist will vote for anyone in the republican party for the next 100 years. These people have gotten away with murder, fraud, theft, and treason for 25 years. It's time someone in that party started paying some heavy prices.

[lucca]

83. That's exactly how I feel.

My head spins when I think of what this administration has gotten away with.
It just boggles the mind that they continue to corrupt our country.
I want my country back.
I want honesty.
I want truth.
I want America free again....

[FloridaPat]

86. YES!

[ComerPerro]

11. Only on these conditions:

He must be convicted and then pardoned, so that his legacy will be as tarnished as it deserves to be. Otherwise, we run the risk of him being made into a victim.

I want full disclosure of the facts, and I want the public to be made fully aware of his crimes and the crimes of his administration.

I want him to be acknowledged as one of the key people responsible for the shady and illegal activities.

Finally, I want him to name names. I want to be sure that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, et al will be held accountabe and put in prison for what they have done.

[driver8]

61. Plus, he is not entitled to the "presidential pension"

No more money for shrubster from the government he fucked so badly.

[Ladyhawk]

69. In fact, I would go so far as to require him to pay the portion of the

national debt he accrued during his pResidency.

[soundhead]

73. Missing money

You think he's worried about a presidential pension? Where do you think the billions in missing Iraqi oil money is? Or the hundreds of millions for "faith based initiatives"? Or a share of the Halliburton iraq-rape billions? Or the TRILLIONS missing from the Pentagon budget (http://snipurl.com/fawt) which Rumsfeld so conveniently, so fortuitously brought to our attention on SEPTEMBER 10th, 2001??

{ For the numerologists out there, you will notice how 9/11 was flanked by two 23's, the number of the Illuminati -- Rumsfelds 2.3 Trillion on 9/10, and Bush's Psalm 23 on the evening of 9/11. }

[Blue Belle]

15. Only if the pardon meets the approval...

of the families of those who lost their lives in Iraq, and from all the families of those who lost their lives on 9/11...

My preference is for him to be taken away in handcuffs and leg irons - with cheney right beside him.

[Just Me]

16. Sure, IF the rest of the Bushco/neoCON cabal go to prison,...

,...and BFEE is prohibited from political involvement.

I don't want much,...a little justice goes a long way for me.

[Dweezil44]

26. WTF is BFEE?

???

[tk2kewl]

30. bush family evil empire

[Dweezil44]

88. Okay.

Ahhh. Thanks.

[MN ChimpH8R]

96. Welcome to DU

Dweezil44

:toast:

[bunny planet]

17. Only if Cheney, Hastert, and Frist had to resign too.

[yurbud]

18. This is the mistake Dems made after watergate, October surprise...

and Iran Contra. They get the far right dead to rights, and instead of driving a stake through their heart so they disintegrate to dust, they say "let the healing begin" and give them a big hug.

And then act surprised when the GOP starts sucking the life out of our democracy and economy again.

[Raksha]

35. THANK YOU for saying that!!!

Absolutely NO "let the healing begin" shit this time! That's what I'm more afraid of than absolutely ANYTHING ELSE--a premature "healing" like after Watergate. What kind of a "healing" is it when all the pus and filth is still there underneath? Clean it ALL out this time, every last bit of it.

In answer to the question: ONLY if all the other perps like Cheney and Condi go down. But maybe not even then...I want JUSTICE!

[Lerkfish]

20. ask the parents of our fallen soldiers that.

Or the families of the Iraqis and afghans in Gitmo.

should Hitler have been pardoned, if that meant he would step down?

Sometimes the depravity and heinous scope of the crime precludes mercy.

[yurbud]

22. flip this to the way we do drug dealers

immunity for everyone below who flips on the boss.

[elehhhhna]

25. DING DING WE have a winner!

[bvar22]

23. bush* is NOT the problem!!!!!

He is just the puppet standing in front of the cmaeras.

The PROBLEM is the influence that the RICH CORPORATE OWNERS have over our government, INCLUDING the Democratic Party.

Getting rid of bush* would solve NOTHING.

In fact, having an idiot like bush* as their TV spokesperson actually works FOR us. When Bill Clinton was destroying ORGANIZED LABOR for the RICH CORRPORATE OWNERS (DLC), the Democratic Party cheered and screamed out: "Isn't he wonderful!!"

[lonestarnot]

28. HELL NO! TRIAL - DEATH PENALTY

[Career Prole]

29. I don't even want to give up my right to chuck rotten fruit

at him (and Cheney and Rummy and Rice) in the oxcart hauling them all to the guillotine...but that's just me.

[anarchy1999]

31. NEVER!

I want them all pardoned to the HAGUE! F&*&^% bunch of criminals going back way to many generations. Maybe we could give Bush the insanity defense? Lock him, his brothers and Poppy up all together, Siberia, Gulag, Russian style, would be acceptable to me.

[longship]

32. Ol' Sparky? n/t

.

[flordehinojos]

33. it is high time for bush and his lying goons to face up to justice.

no pardon!

[ktowntennesseedem]

34. I would gladly pardon him if it gets him out of office.

Then a minute after he becomes the newest resident of Crawford, TX, I'd say, "Hey George, 'bout that pardon... I WAS LYING!!!"

On second thought, I'd make it a condition that he take Cheney with him. And of course, I'll "pardon" him, too!!! :evilgrin:

[me b zola]

36. I'd be willing to set aside prison IF...

IF...
every one in his cabinet,& every one of his appointments were forced to resign. If every law that has been passed, the tax cuts & his damned faith based initiative programs were repealed.

In short, if this country could be restored as if * had never been given the WH, I would agree to let him go without prison.

[Raksha]

37. But it CAN'T be restored. Over 1600+ American soldiers dead....

...about 100,000 dead Iraqis, billions of dollars in debt and a world that will hate America for generations. I could go on, but you get the general idea.

No pardons!

[Cleita]

39. No, this time I want them all on trial Nuremberg style.

It's the only way we will show the world that America is not what these people stood for.

[lala_rawraw]

41. NO

[Gold Metal Flake]

42. Fuck no.

Fuck the very idea (but not you, I got nothing against you or that you brought this up).

[DistressedAmerican]

72. Well, That's Good I Hate When A Hypothetical Gets People Pissed Off!

:toast:

[Gold Metal Flake]

79. Here are some happy words for you.

From http://www.swingstateproject.com/

From Raw Story about an upcoming Rolling Stone interview with Harry Reid:

RS: You've called Bush a loser.

HR: And a liar.

RS: You apologized for the loser comment.

HR: But never for the liar, have I?


:toast:

[XemaSab]

43. There's only one thing traitors deserve

and it ain't a pardon!

[warrens]

44. Hell no

No cheating the hangman on MY watch.

[KansDem]

45. The only "pardon" I would want Bush to have is...

a "Pardon me, Mr. President, while I shut the door to the airplane taking you to The Hague for your war crimes trial..."

[dogday]

46. Bush and his Administration need to be put in Military uniforms

and go straight to Bagdad, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Bagdad to fight insurgents. They need to experience exactly what they have done. Give em no body armour and no armour on their vehicle...

[tinrobot]

47. If that's what it takes... sure...

I just want him OUT.

[expatriate]

49. Remembering Watergate

I know that people were simply relieved when Tricky Dick resigned before he could be impeached. But by then he had already allowed his VP, Agnew, to be made the fall-guy - but that tactic didn't work.

However, Bush's situation is far more serious than Nixon's, and I don't think that I'd be very happy with Cheney stepping in. I would not want him to just resign and leave things in the hands of those who are probably really in power.

So I'd have to say, much as I'd like to see him just go away, that I would want his cohorts to go away with him - Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc. Otherwise, nothing would change.

[Vinca]

51. As much as I want Bush gone, the line of succession is frightening.

It's like all the other terrorists groups. You take the leader out of the picture and there's always another one there to fill the spot. Let's see who's waiting in the wings (and I'm sure this is out of order): Cheney, Frist, Condi . . . OMG is Delay in there somewhere??

[DearAbby]

52. I would consider it on the stipulation that he testify on the dealings of

this administration and testify against others. Bring forward evidence on the Energy Meeting, The Downing Street minutes. And PNAC. I believe he isa puppet front, he doesnt have the intelligence to be anthing but. I want those that are behind the enitire power grab...PNAC.

Then and only then would it be consider, by me. Otherwise get them all. Hand them over to the world court. For Crimes against humanity.

[sweetheart]

53. Firing squad

Can't trust a written pardon with persons like that. So, yes, he CAN
have a pardon, by firing squad. As well, the whole republican
leadership can either have "pardons" themselves, or turn states
evidence in the fight against treasonous republicans who have
attempted to overturn the civil war.

After a firing squad pardon, his power will be diminished, as well,
his post-pardon underwear photo will discourage similar behaviour
from another generation of criminals.

[DistressedAmerican]

62. Why Wait For The Photo. I Have It Right Here!

[sweetheart]

64. Rather lovely, that baggie tent

Hmmm. The photo i was thinkin' had just a few little firing squad
holes to complement the underwear... perhaps 30 or so, 45 calibur
little mosquito bites to give the picture more definition.

[B Calm]

54. No pardon!!! The man is the worst kind of traitor this country has

ever had. He started a damn war for oil. Sorry but if my only son had been killed in Iraq, the secret service would probably have to kill me.

[ChiciB1]

55. Not A Chance!!!

I'm GONNA SIT AND WAIT UNTIL THEY catch him!!

THEN THEY CAN SCREW HIM TO THE WALL, AND HANG HIM UP BY HIS you know what!

[NoPasaran]

56. No

Why should he get a better deal than Hitler?

[shadowknows69]

57. I'd even buy George a beer n/t

[leftofthedial]

58. no. he deserves to be tried for war crimes

[B Calm]

59. If your child died in VAIN in Iraq, would you accept a full pardon?

[Dem2theMax]

60. Hell no. nt.

[napi21]

63. YES! He would leave in disgrace, and it would destroy the Pub party for

a vry long time! I think the tradeoff is well worth it to get him and his whole crowd out long beefore 2009!

[Art_from_Ark]

95. Nixon resigned in disgrace in 1974, yet only 6 years later

the elephants had taken both the White House AND the Senate, and had enough DINO "boll weevils" in the House to side with the elephants to give Raygun just about anything he asked for.

[stillcool]

65. Every one goes down....

after really investigating the 2000 election, 9/11, the war, and the 2004 election...everyone guilty of any criminal act does time....in Gitmo, with the prisoners there now as guards.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

66. Would you have pardoned Hitler and/or Stalin. too?

[Solly Mack]

67. Never

If Bush walks free...and merely resigning is walking free...then America ain't about shit.

No. Bush and his Cabinet must be held accountable for their crimes.
Nothing less will save America...if people are willing to accept less, then I really don't want to hear any crying when another Bush-league President takes office. Make the Bush adminstration an example of what happens to war criminals...it might just prevent another one...because I assure you, letting him walk will only pave the way for another President just like Bush...

[G_j]

68. Unless the "Mafia" is dismantled....

I'm afraid the corruption won't go away with pardons.
A good many of these folks in the admin were Iran/Contra players.
Time to get to the bottom of things, I'd say.

[JackRiddler]

70. Never.

Resignation makes no difference. The criminal complex must be uprooted and exposed, or we will merely be setting up for the next round (as happened with Nixon, as happened especially after Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder showed the Bush mob how easily and how much they could get away with).

Possibly acceptable would be a "truth commission" solution: complete testimony, full disclosure in exchange for amnesty. (If you lie, you go to prison.) This is the most important thing of all: regaining reality & learning our own history, so that things do not come this way again (as they so often have).

[theboss]

71. So...Cheney becomes president?

I like this set-up better.

There is no scenario in which a Democrat becomes President, you realize.

[DistressedAmerican]

74. Never Suggested There Was. I Was Just Pondering Nixon And Got To Spinning

scenarios.

[Dave Reynolds]

75. No.

He needs to go the the Hague along with Crashcart and all the other assorted asshats.

[FreedomAngel82]

76. No but it'd be a start

Then he can swear in John Kerry and John Edwards and he and his whole gang can be hauled off to jail.

[jmcon007]

77. If it meant no more troops dying in this illegal war, yes.

He would be disgraced and his legacy in tatters. In the final analysis, like Reagan, this is the most important thing in the world to Bush.

[Sewsojm]

78. No Way

I want him Impeached and tried for his crimes against humanity, found guilty as charged and sentenced to death row.

[bemildred]

80. No, there has to be accountability, for all of them. nt

[ApBai]

81. Why would he resign?

He does not think that he did anything wrong.

[DebJ]

84. As ye judged, so shall ye be judged. No mercy for the Chief

Executioner of Texas.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

85. No. He's only the nose of the monster.

The whole rotten structure has to be dismantled.

[ObaMania]

87. No way in hell.

He needs to take the perp walk with all the other criminal M-F'ers in his cabal.

[ngGale]

89. No pardon...

no way, no how!

[BlueIris]

91. (grimmaces) It's not what I want, but I think it's what we'll get.

I think that's what all the grousing from among Bill Clinton and others about the opponents of Bush not pushing for a "hard left" shift in government and society has been about. They sense the trouble coming and know that the key to preventing more social division between the fascists and us is to ask for Bush's removal, not his humiliation. If we punnish them after we've already won, they'll use it as an excuse to resist progressive change, and seek more vengeance against "libruls." God knows what that vengeance might entail.

But just typing that makes me feel guilty. I want to see Bush and those who supported his agendas punnished not because I want to "beat" them, but because THEY'RE DISGUSTING, WAR-MONGERING CRIMINALS WHO'VE CAUSED HUNDEREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY AND OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD.

[Swamp Rat]

92. Never. Nothing.

TO THE HAGUE!!!

NEVER compromise with fascists! :mad:

[distressedsister]

93. My dear brother, you know the catch

#22 - CHENEY and WHOMEVER HE DECIDES TO NOMINATE as VP.

CHENEY likely handpicking the next President. NO!

[B Calm]

94. Ask the US soldier with cancer caused by exposure to depleted

uranium in Iraq!

[Vladimir]

97. Who cares if you or I would accept it? Would the dead Iraqis accept it?

the fuck they would - they are dead.

Every one of Bush's crimes was comitted in our names - however many placards we want to hold up saying otherwise. If we can't hold him to account for that, we are morally bankrupt too. No mercy for war criminals!

[porphyrian]

98. Fuck no.

That's why corporate CEOs keeping fucking everyone - they have nothing to lose. I want this entire administration brought to justice, nothing less.