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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:05 PM
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Shut Guantánamo Down Tell President Bush to just shut it down.
Edited on Tue May-31-05 01:51 PM by hiley
Shut Guantánamo Down
Tell President Bush to just shut it down.


The Guantánamo Bay prisoner of war camp is a disgrace to all Americans. In a recent report, the International Committee of the Red Cross referred to Guantánamo as the "gulag of our times." Even New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman is now calling on President Bush to tear down the prison.

As Friedman wrote, "Guantánamo Bay is becoming the anti-Statue of Liberty." When it's clear both at home and abroad that the U.S. is responsible for the torture and abuse of prisoners -- including those who have been detained for years without being charged with any crime -- our standing in the world community is irreparably harmed and anti-American passions around the world are inflamed.

The longer Gitmo stands, the more likely it is that innocent Americans citizens will be killed in terrorist attacks. Its very existence helps recruit and inspire foot soldiers in guerilla efforts to harm to Americans in the U.S. and around the world.

President Bush, it's time to close Guantánamo. The hundreds of

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http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/petition.cfm?itemid=19123

Bush blasts Amnesty report on Guantanamo
President says document is an ‘absurd report’
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:56 a.m. ET May 31, 2005
WASHINGTON - A human rights group's report about conditions at the U.S. military's prison at Guantanamo Bay is "absurd," President Bush told reporters Tuesday.

The Amnesty International report, released last week, said prisoners at the U.S. Navy base had been mistreated and called for the prison to be shut down.

The president, addressing a news conference at the White House, said the Amnesty document was an “absurd report.”

“It’s absurd. It’s an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world,” Bush said of the report, which compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.

He said the Amnesty allegations were based on interviews with detainees, who hated America and were trained to lie.

Bush's remarks echoed similar criticism by Vice President Dick Cheney.

“Frankly, I was offended by it,” Cheney said in the videotaped interview with CNN's Larry King. “For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don’t take them seriously.”

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8046041/

Edit to add this below:
"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004


Sign Amnesty International’s petition .
Sign our Petition Letter and Pledge Your Commitment to Denounce Torture

As part of the Denounce Torture: Stop It Now! initiative, Amnesty International USA is hoping to have at least 250,000 people living in the United States sign a special statement against torture. Amnesty International USA will use this petition letter in our efforts to show the Bush Administration, Congress, and others that those living in the United States are strongly opposed to torture and ill-treatment in all circumstances.
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Torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment are despicable, immoral, illegal and always wrong. The highest authorities in my country should publicly denounce these acts in the strongest possible terms, and never utilize them, not least in my name.

Governments around the world should not only condemn but prosecute to the full extent of the law any of these acts by our own agents, whether in this country or anywhere else we have control. No one should be held in secret, beyond the eyes of the law, where such acts can flourish.
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http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/petition/Index.asp?id=30

Amnesty International Wants U.S. Officials Arrested and Investigated

By Bob Dart

05/26/05 "Cox News" - - WASHINGTON - Amnesty International USA urged foreign governments Wednesday to use international law to investigate Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other alleged American "architects of torture" at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and other prisons where detainees suspected of ties to terrorist groups have been interrogated.
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8956.htm

Read post 8, please
Letter received from The White House today in response to my
letter about the Torture !




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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:07 PM
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1. Did it! n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:12 PM
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2. President Bush?
Anyone who calls * that probably works for Rove.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:56 PM
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11. yes, he is a Dictator actually

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912
14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:14 PM
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3. mr. bushichoff, tear down that torture chamber
ronald reagan's ghost
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:16 PM
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6. See post number four...
GMTA... posted in the same minute.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:50 PM
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10. mopaul I love your graphic !
Thanks...
solidarity
hiley

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/petition.cfm?itemid=19123
Signatures: 4,783
Goal: 100,000 signatures
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:14 PM
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4. In my best Ronald Reagan impression (which isn't to good):
"Mr. Bush, tear down this camp!"
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:01 PM
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12. Pretty good !



AP - Fri May 27, 5:22 PM ET
Police detain a demonstrator after disrupting a speech by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the San Francisco Commonwealth Club, in San Francisco, Friday, May 27, 2005. Shortly after Rice started speaking, at least two protesters stood wearing black robes and black hoods, an apparent reference to U.S. abuse of detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. The crowd applauded as the protesters were taken from the hall. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:15 PM
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5. delete
Edited on Tue May-31-05 01:36 PM by mopaul
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:30 PM
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7. Done.
“It’s absurd. It’s an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world,” Bush said of the report, which compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.

I am so sick of this asshat's doublespeak. I hope he ends up in the Haige.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:35 PM
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8. Letter received from The White House today in response to my
letter about the Torture !
(no scanner, so I will type it for you)

The White House
Washington
May 24, 2005

Dear Mrs. Conner:

On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your letter. We appreciate hearing your views.

President Bush has repeatedly affirmed our country's commitment to the worldwide elimination of torture. He believes that human dignity must be protected and that freedom from torture is an inalienable human right.

To assist victims of torture, the United States supports torture accountability and treatment centers, contributes to the United Nations Fund for the Victims of Torture, and supports nongovernmental organizations that work to end torture and help victims recover. Our country also provides protection, counseling, and where necessary and possible, relocation to the United States. President Bush urges all nations to join these efforts to end torture and assist torture victims.

The President has repeatedly affirmed that he does not condone torture in any circumstances, and he has also directed our military personnel to treat all detainees in their custody humanely. American personnel are also required to comply with all applicable United States laws, including the Constitution, Federal statutes, and our treaty obligations.

President Bush has strongly condemned the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison as inconsistent with American values and policies. Investigations are underway to review and improve detention operations in Iraq and elsewhere, and to hold accountable those who have violated U.S. law.

The United States will continue to aggressively pursue intelligence from terrorists who are seeking to harm Americans, but will not compromise the rule of law or the values and principles that make our country strong.

Thank you again for writing to the President about this important issue.

Sincerely,
Marguerite A. Murer
Acting Director of
Presidential Correspondence
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:48 PM
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9. Ah - but if they shut down Guantanamo they still have all those
prisons in Afghanistan and elsewhere where exactly the same things are going on - and maybe worse things since they're not being watched as closely...

STOP US TORTURE, not "close down Guntanamo".

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:55 PM
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13. As long as the Dictator & PNAC are in power I will post this over &again




“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and
torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004 http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/torture.htm
http://www.newyorker.com/online/slideshows/slideshows/0...

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html
"IMPEACH HIM"
http://presidentevilonline.com/hiley.html
Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.

Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in such great numbers as those of Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"

Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html



solidarity
hiley
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:57 PM
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14. When can we round these bastards up
and send them to the Hague?

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:57 PM
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15. Better idea: send Bush and his cutthroats to Guantanamo
Let them rot in one of the dog cages!
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:06 PM
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16. Ah, the Working For Change link - Red Cross did not say that . . .
In a recent report, the International Committee of the Red Cross referred to Guantánamo as the "gulag of our times."

Amnesty International did . . .

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGPOL100052005

The detention facility at Guantánamo Bay has become the gulag of our times, entrenching the practice of arbitrary and indefinite detention in violation of international law. Trials by military commissions have made a mockery of justice and due process.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:56 PM
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17. Synnical can you explain what you mean ?
The first part of my post is directly off of the act for change site.
Amnesty did the report and the talking however this is a seperate action because of report...
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The longer Gitmo stands, the more likely it is that innocent Americans citizens will be killed in terrorist attacks. Its very existence helps recruit and inspire foot soldiers in guerilla efforts to harm to Americans in the U.S. and around the world.

President Bush, it's time to close Guantánamo. The hundreds of prisoners currently held there should be tried and convicted or released. And this very site of our national shame should not only be closed, but torn down, its walls plowed into the ground.

For more information read Thomas Friedman's Op-Ed in The New York Times titled: Just Shut It Down.

See also, the International Committee of the Red Cross Report titled: US detention related to the events of 11 September 2001 and its aftermath

Signatures: 8,566
Goal: 100,000 signatures

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/petition.cfm?itemid=19123


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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:29 PM
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21. Sure
Edited on Tue May-31-05 05:31 PM by Synnical
The Working for Change website is factually incorrect. It reads, "In a recent report, the International Committee of the Red Cross referred to Guantánamo as the "gulag of our times." The ICRC did not use the word "gulag" - Amnesty International did.

Search the ICRC link provided - the word gulag in not mentioned.

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList454/541ACF6DC88315C4C125700B004FF643

Just trying to keeps the facts straight. I'm not suggesting the action isn't warranted.

:hi:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:54 PM
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22. Okay thanks I understand now what you meant..
just wanted to really know what was up .. I really did not read the Red Cross report just the Amnesty .
:hi:
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:25 PM
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18. Done
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:28 PM
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19. Done.
Thanks for the link!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:53 PM
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20. They have really gotten to me today with this frickin' letter
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