Could/Would you be a Suicide Bomber?

[trumad]

If your country was attacked and taken over by an opposing force and that opposing force had superior fire power, how far would you go to defeat them? Do you think that you could pack some C4 on your body and take out a few of the enemy.

Me... Shit..that's a tough one.. I'm not religious so it wouldn't be for Allah or any God,.... so me no think so.

I can tell you this though from studying the Kamikaze's of Japan, the suicide bombers of Viet Nam and Iraq...it's certainly effective.

[eleny]

1. no

[napi21]

2. Hell NO!

I might get out my guns, but I would never even consider being a suicide bomber!

[alcuno]

3. No. But there is a new book on this subject.

I heard the author on Coast to Coast last night. I believe it's called Dying to Win; it's the history of suicide attackers. The author said it's much less of a religious component than we think. Sounded very good.

[LisaL]

4. Nope. I don't think so.

I presume most suicide bombers are religious and believe in after life. So, it ain't me.

[stevedeshazer]

5. No way

You'd only get one shot at 'em.

If I stay alive, I can do more.

I'm sure Bill O'Reilly would. He's brave, and he's seen combat. ;)

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Okay. That's it. You're gunna pay to get that damned cream soda

off my monitor.

I'm serious, dude, you're gunna pay for this!

:rofl:

[stevedeshazer]

14. LOL

If I ever meet ya, I'll bring ya a half-rack. :)

[shadowknows69]

6. No

I don't think it's a terribly good strategy. Suicide bombers can only attack once.

[streblin]

15. i agree

it's stupidity you get one shot...

[Fleshdancer]

7. no and no

even if I lost every single person I loved, I would want to fight to the death. Suicide bombing makes no sense to me.

[BiggJawn]

8. No. I remember Patton's words too well.

"No poor, dumb sonofabitch ever won a war by dieing for his country. He won the war by making the OTHER poor, dumb sonofabitch die for HIS..."

[Javaman]

10. Nope, I have to many bills to pay.

And I don't think there would be an insurance payout on a suicide bomber. Just not practical in any sense.

[Deja Q]

11. Good grief, no!

You're just over 10 months (and 1 day) from being April Fools' Day too...

[UdoKier]

12. Maybe, if I were fighting an invading power.

But from what I've seen, an awful lot of these suicide bombers like to target buses and pizza parlors, and that is just BULLSHIT. Those people are every bit as bad as Faux News says they are, and no amount of atrocity by Sharon can ever justify that.

[deadparrot]

13. No.

Plain and simple, no.

[Terran1212]

16. Everyone saying "no" is a joke

I'm sorry, but I'm going to make the assumption that most of the "no"s are people who have lived safe, stable, and pampered lives. The Palestinians and Iraqis have lived lives full of terror, war, and occupation. They, of course, are willing to die to escape from hell and take some of their torturers with them.

[elehhhhna]

17. If I'd lost my family to the invaders, I s'pose anything's possible.

[UdoKier]

18. Yeah that's it.

We've never suffered, so we don't want to inflict suffering on others, particularly innocent civilians.

:sarcasm: :eyes:


Try as you might, there is NO JUSTIFICATION for suicide bombings of shops and buses. Anymore than there is a justification for bulldozing entire neighborhoods because "terrorists might live there".

Posts that try to validate this as a tactic should be deleted, IMO.

[Tesha]

34. Was there a justification for vaporizing them?

> Try as you might, there is NO JUSTIFICATION for suicide bombings
> of shops and buses.

Okay, you're against an individual suicide bombing shops and buses.
But is there ever a justification for just plain vaporizing them?
Because that's what we did back in the good-old Double-you Double-You
Two. We vaporized the shops and buses of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and
burned to cinders the same in Dresden and Tokyo.

(Just checking; it'd be quite confusing to me if it's a "bad thing"
if done by one individual with some C4 killing a dozen or so but an
"okay" think if done by some guys hauling some plutonium around in
an airplane killing a hundred thousand or so.)

Tesha

[UdoKier]

47. I have condemned Truman for that act of mass murder on many occasions

and been attacked for it by his apologists.

Terrorist attacks like Hiroshima, 9-11, and the ones perpetrated on pizza parlors by SOME Palestinians are inexcusable.

I am no Likudnik apologist. Everything they've done has only made the problem worse. But the people bombing buses are scum, as was Truman. The fact that he pushed "the button" from a comfortable 2000 miles away didn't make him any better.

[im10ashus]

20. Nice of you to disparage everyone's beliefs in one fell swoop!

While not even stepping up and saying what you would do. I am a joke for not wanting to blow myself up? BS. Plain and simple. I guess I haven't found a cause or a religion worth blowing myself up for.

[Terran1212]

22. It's too easy to live in a utopian world of peace and hapiness

When the IDF is razing your entire neighborhood and you don't have the weapons to fight them miltarily, you would definitely consider attacking buses and cafes: targets you could actually damage.

Why?

The civilians are something that matter to the government; they are a target to hit that would invoke change.

[UdoKier]

23. Your line of reasoning is sick.

There is NO excuse for that. I despise Bushco and the fundies that love him, but I would never go blow up one of their churches or even burn it down when they're all gone.

I'm astonished that a DUer is justifying this crap.

[Just Me]

32. Perhaps, you could distinguish between understanding and justification.

Perhaps, you are failing to listen.

There is no justification for corporacratic barons destroying those who have little to no defense against them.

I'm astonished that a DUer is failing to target the aggressor who creates such a desperate environment. Do you believe these people, these human beings, including well-educated INNOCENT individuals, would strap a bomb to themselves BUT FOR the extraordinarily oppressive environment created by human scum?

There is NO justification for the violent and unjust environment being forced upon people who just want to be free to live on their land.

[UdoKier]

38. Sorry, but an "oppressive environment" does not justify randomly murdering

...innocent people. South Central Los Angeles is a pretty oppressive environment, but if its oppressed residents started walking into Spago or the Beverly Center and randomly blowing people up, I doubt you'd be so "understanding".

[MXMLLN]

39. Millions, perhaps even billions of people have lived through such ...

... oppression ... and yet, have not turned to perpetrating such violence on their fellow innocents.

I believe that the Palestians, at least in part, are mostly driven by the Arab hatred for the Jews, ... which was evidenced (in the Arab wars against Israel) before Israel had any power to oppress anyone.

[UdoKier]

48. They are also driven by Sharon's murderous policies of aggression...

... not that that's any excuse.

[donheld]

30. "take some of their torturers with them."

Just how many "torturers" are killed in these suicide bombings. I might do it if i KNEW with no uncertainty i was actually getting those responsible for the suffering. I certainly would not do it if i was killing the innocent. That does NO good at all.:hurts: :hurts: :hurts:

[Tesha]

35. The killing of innocents is being done *IN YOUR NAME* every day.

> I certainly would not do it if i was killing the innocent.

The killing of innocents is being done *IN YOUR NAME* every day,
using your tax dollars; none of us are "innocent" here in the U.S.

Tesha

[donheld]

37. I am dreadfully aware of that

:grr: :cry: :mad:

[Just Me]

36. The "torturers" do not operate within a realm of justice or rule of law.

The "torturers" are the first to deliver injustice upon innocents. How do you fight that? Where do you turn for justice and/or equity?

You see, until the "torturers" are held to the same rule of law as everyone else, the violence will continue. The violence will not end until the rulers/leaders/pResidents/corporacrats/theocrats obey the same rules of law applied to everyone else.

It's ridiculous to expect people who have been violated physically, economically, spiritually and emotionally to allow continuation of so much injustice!!!

They want to be free, too!!!

If everyone operated within the rule of law,...

*sigh* but the power-mongering, profit-exploiting, global-controlling frontiers just tank over human hope and potential and freedom and possibility with no respect for either human value/dignity or the rule of law.

People want peace. The corporacratic globalists don't give a shit about people.

[malmapus]

25. Not really, suicide bombing is one pop...you may kill a few

Staying alive and fighting low-intensity, if I was in a position where I was wronged I would want to make sure I took alot of the people who did the harming.

I wouldn't blow myself up, but I would do just about whats being done to us overthere in other areas (roadside bombs are effective and you live to fight again). Maybe even do my best to make life hell for them, like blowing up railroad ties, damaging bridges in the area, I have alot of military training to put to use.

[Just Me]

19. How can one say unless actually in such helpless, desperate circumstances?

Since I have always been an advocate of nonviolent measures and have never been subjected to extremely desperate circumstances over an extended period of time, I can't really imagine what I would do. Can any of us? Think about it.

What if your sister or spouse or child, completely innocent of any wrongdoing, had their guts sprayed in your presence by someone who you believed was being cruel and oppressive to begin with. How do you react to that, especially if you know that there will be NO justice on behalf of those innocents?

:shrug:

What constitutes strength of character in such circumstances? What constitutes appropriate behavior in such a violent environment?

[EnfantTerrible]

21. I would like to think

that I would be more useful alive.

Some that I know would argue that assertion, however.

[troubleinwinter]

24. Mmmm... your premise tells me nothing

"an opposing force and that opposing force had superior fire power"

I think there are things worth dieing for, and things worth killing for, but simply that your opponent has superior firepower does not answer whether it is worth it. Depends on what you are fighting for.... a SCRABBLE word score or democracy?

[DoNotRefill]

26. No....

it would be a waste of my valuable training and capabilities to die like that. And it's not really that effective, because every time they go out, they are not coming back. As the saying goes: The point is not to die for your country. The point is to make some other dumb bastard die for his.

[Bigmack]

27. My Gunny used to say...

"If a grenade lands in your position, don't fall on it and become a hero.... grab somebody smaller than you and throw him on the granade. Let him become the hero."

Just a little dark humor.

Seriously, I've been wondering if some of the "suicide" bombers were told to just drive the car up to a building and get out and take off. Then the guys with the remote detonator start thinking that maybe people will figure he's a bomber and run away. Better to just detonate it remotely when the poor bastard gets to the target. What the hell... he's gonna go to heaven anyhow.

[GiovanniC]

28. Yes

If I was in a war-torn country, living in poverty and despair, against an occupying force, and my community would repay my sacrifice by taking care of my family financially and materially, then yeah, I probably would.

[slackmaster]

29. Not when there are equally effective methods of detonating a bomb...

...That do not involve putting myself at risk.

Suicide bombers are fools IMO.

[Lannes]

Cant say

Im in the safety of my own home far from that situation.Its like asking would you betray your country under torture? You never know until you are being tortured.

Most people dont become suicide bombers though.I sincerely hope that I wouldnt.

[bertha katzenengel]

31. Good Christ, no way.

I'd take up arms and RISK my life, but I wouldn't GIVE them my life. They'd have to take it.

[JNelson6563]

33. Maybe. Like if they wiped out my family

I can easily imagine the mindset: Your nation is under attack. The bombs, the gunfire, raids in your neighborhood, your countrymen being tortured by your "liberators"......tell me that wouldn't set the mind in a terrible way? Figure in lost loved ones, possibly your whole family, wouldn't everyone here agree that utter despair would be inevitable? Mix utter despair with equal parts of righteous anger and Voila! You have the perfect combination of turning a human into a combustable weapon against the source of all this needless, greed-based misery (war).

Julie

[blindpig]

40. answering yes puts a target on your back

Agent Mike is watching!

Hi agent Mike!

[leftchick]

41. You have to remember the Tribal Society "ethics" that rule Iraq

If you or a loved one is hurt or killed you are REQUIRED to seek revenge. It is really that simple. It is also one of the MANY, MANY reasons anyone with a modicum of intelligence recommended NOT to invade and occupy Iraq. That ol "Pandora's Box" thingy.

[fishnfla]

42. Yes, but only once eom

[Renew Deal]

45. lol

:rofl:

[barb162]

43. no way

[warrens]

44. Not with a car, not in a bar

I could not, would not, SamIAm

[trumad]

46. Some say that innocent people are being murdered,, perhaps

It seems to me that the bombers in Iraq are targeting people who are cooperating with the oppressor?

Let me ask this... would you kill someone who was cooperating with the enemy?