What if 9-11 Had Never Happened? Where would bush be now?

[mopaul]

just daydreaming here. first of all, he'd have never gotten his second term, and i'm sure he'd have fucked things up exactly as bad as they are now, somehow, someway, cause that's the whole daddybush plan, cause chaos, and pick of the profits.

hell, where would AMERICA be now?

[bowens43]

1. he would be in a back room planning something like 911.......

[splat@14]

4. Yep, he needed something to align public fear and hate enough

to allow him to bomb whomever he wants, and stay in office to say the least.

[Juice45]

5. Agreed

Agreed he would never have got his second term. Without his ability force the people into submission wiht fear, we wouldn't have a two-term numb nutz

[Mnemosyne]

11. Welcome to DU Juice!

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[Juice45]

13. TY vickiss n/t

[paineinthearse]

21. Juice45

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Warpy]

20. The anthrax mailings would have been far more widespread

because it's quite obvious that they originated within Ft. Detrick and were an inside job. There is just no way to put that stuff into envelopes without a containment facility. The environmental contamination would have been a dead giveaway if someone had smuggled the weaponized spores out of the lab. Those spores volatize instantly and there would have been many cases of pulmonary anthrax wherever they'd been handled outside a containment lab.

My own best guess is that the anthrax mailings were meant to be widespread and to be used as justification for invading Iraq. However, 9/11 intervened and only those targets that the Bush family simply couldn't resist got the loaded mail. The fact that the country was preoccupied with 9/11 gave investigators enough time to trace the spores to Fort Detrick, something the Bush family didn't count on. It also gave them time to exclude Iraq as any sort of a source, since Iraq's attempts to weaponize the spores involved abrading their coating away with bentonite, something that wasn't present in the samples obtained from various areas.

We would likely be bogged down in Iraq now. We would likely be deeply in debt now. I have no idea if Fuckwit would have another term in the White House because I have no idea if the fraud in 2004 would have been sufficient to put him there.

It's nice to dream, though.

[converted_democrat]

2. Rehab?

[HawkerHurricane]

3. Unemployed

Unable to get the support he needed to invade Iraq, and with no war to boost him, he would have lost control of the Senate in 2002, then lost to a moderate Democrat in 2004. Control of the House would be iffier, but I'd say a slim Democratic majority.

The economy would be the same. The military would be stronger. The right would still be whining, although about different things.

[DrDebug]

6. A lot better

There wouldn't be war in Afghanistan and Iraqi. Enron et al. would have been investigated and additional measure taken to reduce corruption within corporation. The media would not have reported the run away bride.

President John F. Kerry announced today that the deficit from the previous Bush administration has stabalized last month and is about to decrease again. Gay marriage is now allowed in 21 states. Russia and the U.S.A. have agreed to further reduce their nuclear arsenal in the non-proliferation meeting held earlier.

I forgot Bush. I think he was last seen in the streets of Atlanta shouting "Daddy said I am the president" while intoxicated.

[Juice45]

8. Ah man

Reading your post made me sad. Good news...In NE, the suprme court struck down our marriage ban!

[Shrubhater]

7. OUT OF THE DAMN WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!

[Democrat 4 Ever]

15. Kinda off the subject but... most ex-presidents command huge

speaking fees after they leave office. Can anyone honestly see Chimpy going on a speaking tour? I think there will be a die-hard bunch who will give him a boat load of money if he happens to fart but to actually speak? Nah, don't think so. He will continued to be supported by Daddy's friends, etc. I think they will pay him to NOT say anything.

Of course, this could all be dependent upon whether prisoners in the Hague actually get to give interviews. From my keyboard to God's ears.

[mopaul]

18. he'll probably drop out of sight

and retire to the playboy life again, all this pretending to be the president is much much harder than they told him. to him,speaking is hard work, and that's something he's not used to. and, he doesn't need the dough.

[Auntie Bush]

9. IN THE TOILET next to the Koran!

[G2099]

10. What a shame and waste we had to start the 21 century off . . .

. . . with 911. And to think 911 was a inside job and fraud perpetrated on the world.

[Mnemosyne]

Welcome to DU G2099!

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[Coastie for Truth]

12. Gentleman cowboy from Crawford

spending 8 months a year in Crawford -- and letting his plutocratic underlings carry out Gingrich's "Contract on America" (with the coarser, harsher face of Tom DeLay).

Bush would have governed on - and run for re-election on a platform of oligarchy and "faith based" pseudo-Evangelical puritanism as his actual agenda and his cover - respectively -- see Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America."

He would be devoting his efforts to kicking over the last remnants of the New Deal and the Great Society - Privatizing Medicare and Social Security would be the big issues. There would be major battles over "privatizing-faithizing" many other government functions to Faith Based Institutions.

Certainly there would be a battle over turning over failing urban school systems to a mix of "faith based" charter school orders and churches and to "for profit" private charter school corporations.

Of course, the post-9/11 "Security Moms" would not have been an issue -- and after a first term assault on Social Security and Medicare and public schools - he might have been voted out of office.

The issues would have been

--dismantling the New Deal and Great Society - and their replacement by the private sector and the faith sector.

--making the rich a hell of a lot richer at the expense of working people.

Bottom line - Oligarchy and "faith based" pseudo-Evangelical puritanism would have been his agenda and cover - respectively -- see Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America."

[Protagoras]

14. I suspect without 9/11 Bush would be back on the ranch having

been defeated by a Democratic Nominee...probably not Kerry, because the Dems wouldn't have had the urge to find a Vietnam Hero to throw up against him. Bush would have met the end he deserved for all his other lacks of coherent policies and integrity...a one hit wonder just like his daddy.

Gas would still be going up because...that is the only place the price of gas has to go as we enter the world of India/China Industrialization and Peak Oil awareness.

Social Security would still be an issue...but the debate over it would be a bit more meaningful.

Healthcare would still be a mess, but we'd have a few more reasonable laws in the works to limit the insurance companies screwing people.

The Congress would be a bit more balanced...but the Republicans would be locking up any judicial nominees in committee and threatening to shut down the government over anything they disagreed with.

The MSM would still be the corporatist tool they are now...They wouldn't be licking Chimp's ass, but they'd be giving Frist all they could anyway...they'd still spin most things the new Dem Pres did in a negative light.

Half the Dems would be ok though...they'd say "See, it's ok, we won the presidency"...but half of us would say that it didn't really mean jack because we didn't do much to change the system...That won't take a president, it'll take a rise in Public Consciousness.

And since none of this would have really stopped Diebold from doing what they're doing...we'd still have hundreds of very "curious" election results...all of which appear to favor candidates friendly to corporate interests.

Labor would be no stronger, not because the politicians would keep it down more or less...but because Labor's strength comes from its members...and Labor can't find it's soul anymore.

If I could have this reality I'd still take it over Chimp because I think it would save lives overseas for a while. We'd have one or two less invasions...perhaps less arms buildups...things I think Bush would do regardless of whether or not Bush were in office.

But I think the trend of our government and MSM becoming an open tool of Monsanto and the Murdoch empire...that's happening regardless of who's in office until we address it.

Bush would (final answer) probably be on several new corporate boards, giving speeches that made no sense, for $150,000 a pop...working for the Carlyle Group, and generally trying to return to and totally fuck up Baseball.

Yep that's what I see :D

[China_cat]

16. No sense asking that.

No one seems to remember that even before the 2000 election, the man was talking about starting a war.

[lala_rawraw]

17. What if Supreme Court did not

Dance on the Constitution in 2000, would we have even had a 9/11? Or better still, if Grand-Pappy had been tried for treason on many of his crimes ranging a large span of time and stood along side Nazi friends at the Hague, would we have had a different America?

[Protagoras]

19. Yeah...almost makes you wonder what would have happened

if 30+ years ago we'd done the right thing and sent Kissinger to the Hague for life...the message that might have sent to an entire generation of warmongering COrporatists might have altered the face of the Earth.

But we caved then...and have continued to cave in since...all in the name of VCRs, SUVs, and Big Macs.

Bush isn't the problem...he's just one more nasty instance of a long line of symptoms. But I do wish we had the asprin to fix it.

[Orsino]

22. Same place he is now.

He was installed by Big Money, was kept in office by Big Money, and Big Money owns the voting machines. He's not going anywhere, and if he is, he will be replaced by someone even worse.