Geezz here we go again: Sign on NC church, Quran "should be flushed"

[G_j]

(alerted to this story by WLOS TV)

http://newsobserver.com/news/ncwire_news/story/2439884p-8844338c.html

N.C. church stands by sign saying Quran "should be flushed"

By PAUL NOWELL, Associated Press Writer

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The pastor of a small Baptist church has refused calls to take down a sign posted in front of his church reading "The Koran needs to be flushed," saying Tuesday he has nothing to apologize for.

"My creed is the Bible, which tells me I am supposed to stand up and defend my faith," said the Rev. Creighton Lovelace, pastor of the 55-member Danieltown Baptist Church in Forest City. "I don't hate Muslims, I just hate their false doctrines."

But the Council on American-Islamic Relations, based in Washington, D.C., called on Americans of all faiths to demand the message displayed outside the church be removed.

"Christians often ask themselves, 'What would Jesus do?'" said the group's spokesman, Ibrahim Hooper. "I don't think Jesus, who is loved by Muslims and mentioned frequently in the Quran, would use such hate-filled and divisive rhetoric."

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[yella_dawg]

1. Pot, meet kettle.

"I don't think Jesus, who is loved by Muslims and mentioned frequently in the Quran, would use such hate-filled and divisive rhetoric."


Holy shit. Somebody needs to tape this asshole and play it back so he can hear what he's saying.

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. Huh?

That statement came from Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

[yella_dawg]

5. Sorry

Read it twice and still missed the point. Tired I guess.

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. LOL! I've never done that.

Ha, yeah right. If I had a dime for every time I misread something out of fatigue I could start my own political party.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Rev Lovelace - meet Rev Phelps...

...both maniacal assholes who have no problem perverting the word of their faith.

It's sad they don't realize how they're destroying their own religions with such fucked up rhetoric...:thumbsdown:

[tavalon]

71. Time to run another preacher out! n/t

[Taxloss]

4. "I don't hate Muslims, I just hate their false doctrines."

I don't hate you, I just hate everything you stand for.

[bertha katzenengel]

29. Exactly. ARGH -- these biblicans are SO ARROGANT!

ONE way -- MY way? Why? Because the bible says so! Ask them how they know the bible is the one true word of the Only God? Why, it's because the bible SAYS it is!!

Anyone for a game of Fundingo? http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/bingo.html

Or how about just a nice campfire reading of Kissing Hank's Ass?
http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php

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[JimmyJazz]

35. psst -

I think that was a swoop 'n poop.

[bertha katzenengel]

38. I don't mind swoop 'n poop when I'm at the beach. At least there I can

go into the surf and wash it off.

:hi: D.

I'm turning into a pumpkin. 'night -- and 'night, all.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

36. I smell frozen pizza.

[bertha katzenengel]

40. Well, with no ATA, I can't ask --

How in hell did I break DU rules with that? I must've told a hundred DUers before this that they missed my point.

I don't even have a message from the Mods.

:shrug: It's way too late for me anyway.

[JimmyJazz]

34. Erm - who is Ala? I tried google images and this is my result:

Somehow, I don't think this is what you were aiming for :shrug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

39. So if you think it's bullshit reasoning for the followers of "Ala"

then it should be bullshit reasoning for the followers of Jesus, right?

Or is your hypocrisy cutting off the bloodflow to your racial hatred?

[JimmyJazz]

42. You are SO right!!!

ONE way - HIS way? Why? Because the BIBLE says so! I'll ask you how you know the BIBLE is the ONE TRUE WORD of the only Jesu? Why, it's because the BIBLE SAYS it is!!!!

:crazy:

[Rabrrrrrr]

43. You are SO right!!!

ONE way - JimmyJazz's way? Why? Because JimmyJazz says so! I'll ask you how you know JimmyJazz is the ONE TRUE WORD of the only Gwar? Why, it's because JimmyJazz says it is!!!!

Oh, the irony.

[JimmyJazz]

45. You are SO rightt!!!!

How did you know? :P

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. I knew because you said so!

[Catherine Vincent]

48. Ala?

Allah.

[JimmyJazz]

51. You have to do a google search to get the full effect.

I'm just saying :D

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[Maru Kitteh]

62. " Their leaders lie to them and they follow like sheep."

Uh huh. Kinda like republicans and fundie fristians.

[Zhade]

64. Like their doctrines are any more provable.

What a fucking joke!

[Spiffarino]

6. Yep, just caught that.

At first I was embarrassed. Then I asked myself why this stuff is coming out of Western NC even though it goes on almost everywhere. I think it's because the progressives in this area are willing to call out the idiots who spew hate and bile in the name of Xianity.

Jesus would be so proud...:eyes:

[hobbit709]

7. I think

it's a combination of the red dirt and piney woods fumes that make people that live in these places stupid.

[Spiffarino]

8. I got a good look at this "Reverend" a few minutes ago

The had him on the news. His head looks like a basketball and his eyes are slitty and wide set.

I believe his daddy, his aunt, his cousin, and his sister got married, but they were only two people.

[TalkingDog]

12. You mean like Asheville NC?

or Boone NC
or Winston-Salem NC

or do you mean other Appalachian cities like:

Ithaca NY
Pittsburgh PA
Bristol TN

On the other hand, stupid bigots exist everywhere; as your post illustrates.

[ultraist]

31. Asheville is VERY liberal

HEAVILY Democratic

[TalkingDog]

50. Uhmmm, YES. As are the other places listed. I think that was my point. n/t

[ultraist]

66. Winston-Salem is very liberal?

That's news to me. Bush won that region by a landslide.

[Spiffarino]

67. No sh*t. W-S is terbacky central.

I think they shoot Democrats in Winston-Salem, don't they?

[Paul Dlugokencky]

77. One limits oneself with regional bias

One limits oneself, not the folks one lumps in some bucket one has devised in one's mind's eye. Prejudice is short sighted in all it's forms.



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats

[TalkingDog]

75. He may have won the REGION by a landslide, but if you look at the

Purple maps, Forsyth Co. (Winston-Salem) and Guilford Co. (Greensboro) are two of the more indigo counties in the area (more bluish than redish) and if you compare their color to Buncombe Co. (Asheville) they are approximate; with Asheville being slightly more blue than Forsyth or Guilford.

http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

you can go here to look at the gifs....they take up too much space on the board.

And yes, it's tobacco country, but it's also an area with a lot of highly educated people. It's considered an Arts city, with a couple of universities in town, Wake Forest being one.

So, please check your assumptions at the door.

[chomskysright]

83. I'm in Asheville & Wake Forest is full of Baptists. its FOREST CITY

[TalkingDog]

90. Wake Forest the City?

Because Wake Forest the University is more likely full of Episcopalians than Baptist. The UberRich that send their kids to cache schools like Wake are generally not your average Baptist.

And what logic dictates that Baptist always = Conservative or didn't you get my memo on leaving your preconceptions at the door?

Sorry about my dismal failure to rise to the Bigot's Baiting here on this thread, I have something called facts on my side.

[chomskysright]

95. Forest City, dear...in Rutherford County..toward Marion

[TalkingDog]

101. Heard of Marion, but not Forest City so the reference is lost on me. But..

I figured you were making a pun between the earlier reference to pine trees and forests and trying to tie that into Wake Forest, which used to be in Wake Forest the town, but got moved after a shitload of money got dropped in it's lap to "help" with the moving.

Anyway, sweetie, thanks for the clarification.

[PegDAC]

106. Forest City, Rutherford County, et al.

I'm very familiar with this area, even though I've never been there; it's my maternal ancestral home. I still have (rather distant) cousins, aunts, uncles, etc., there. It's where my mother's father was born. I just hope my relatives don't agree with this christo-fascist.

[G_j]

89. Asheville is a Paradox

from Anarchists to RW fundies

Our City Council is tilted to the right.

A fair amount of alternative vehicles here, lots of bike riding but no bike paths.

The police have roughed up and arrested peace protesters and were not held accountable. Over 40 protesters have been arrested since the US invaded Iraq. For a small city we have had some pretty large protests.

EXTREME RWingnut Senator Charles Taylor has his office here and continues to be reelected.

As a whole the city is considered pretty safe for gays.

The Fundie "we Still Pray" movement is based in this area. You see the bumper stickers all the time.

We Still Pray
www.westillpray.com/

'We Still Pray' aims to go national with rallies, prayer at ...
Gridlock struck Asheville, NC, when thousands gathered for a.
www.worthynews.com/news-features/we-still-pray-2.html

If you take Buncombe county as a whole, it is a real mixed bag.

[chomskysright]

96. WE STILL THINK in Asheville too

[MockSwede]

57. Or Greenville, ME

Which is the northern end of the Appalachians - Mount Katahdin, in the US, anyway. Say Hey! to Blowing Rock, NC, while you're at it. I miss lots of folks from NC; others, not. Same as here in ME.

[Spiffarino]

68. Hello, fellow Appalachian!

:hi:

Yep, you're at the northern point of the AT. This Ashevillian extends a big ol' "Hey!" to you good folks in "Upper Appalachia." :D:thumbsup:

[Sequoia]

82. Hi Asheville, my stomping grounds

Pretty city in the mountains. I miss you all. Come visit us DUers over here in Northern Cal.

[Spiffarino]

115. I started life in CA

Ventura County. I've been in the mountains 16 years and have no plans to leave...unless the fundies finally do take over. For now, Asheville is nice and weird and I wouldn't change a thing.

[Sequoia]

122. Maybe I'll move back with the family.

Asheville is bearable thanks to all the cool people who live there. A refuge from the surrounding fundies I guess. Anyway, this stupid governor we have is causing us to consider storming Sacramento and put him on a bus to .... Mexico, heh, heh, Austria doesn't even want him back.

[dad]

16. Right

No stupid people ever came out of Texas.

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Well, technically not THAT stupid person

He really came out of Connecticut.

[MockSwede]

55. Red Dirt

Or maybe chopped barbecue and hush puppies? Send some my way! I've got lobster, in trade. Incredible dichotomy in NC.

[TalkingDog]

76. Jeebus, you had to mention barbeque...now I'm hungry...

Yep, it's definitely a love/hate relationship I have with this state. I grew up around the worst bigots and the most loving liberal people and most of them dirt poor. So it wasn't money or education that drove them to their leanings. Who know what does it? If we could bottle it we'd be millionaires.

How's about I send some Carolina BBQ sauce instead? A friend of ours who lived here for a year or two, still orders some up to IL when outdoor cooking comes into season.

[customerserviceguy]

9. It's no worse

than anything most people say about christianity here. And that includes my dissing of the 2000 year old fairy tale.

Why is it acceptable to call the dominant religion of jesusland stupid, but we have to 'respect' a religion that denegrates women? Can't we all acknowledge that they deserve equal treatment, preferrably ignoring them? I'm all for free speech rights for everyone, including bible-thumpers I disagree with.

[Clark2008]

13. I don't think either religion is stupid - it's the stupid way in which

the fundies - Christian or Muslim - apply the words of God, Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed.

None of those beings and/or people ever told anyone to hate.

[MockSwede]

59. Pulitzer

An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. Our Republic and its press will rise and fall together. ~ Joseph Pulitzer~


Love the quote. But he still turned out my wife's grandmother's family of nine the week after her husband died of a heart attack. Seems Pulitzer didn't feel the need to take care of the family of the man who'd taken care of his gardens in ME for years and years.... Told them to leave in the same note that conveyed his 'condolences'! Maybe the 'people' he was referring to were his 'social equals' and not the 'blue collar' working man of Maine?

[customerserviceguy]

87. Then you're not familiar with the works

that these religions come from. The Hebrew scriptures are practically a war manual in certain passages. Same with the koran, it goes even further in how to treat unbelievers. The christian scriptures have long been used to oppress people.

Yes, there are various degrees of twisting involved, but its not that tough to use the texts of any of the western religious traditions as an excuse to kill or hate the "other".

[liberal4eva]

25. um,

......and catholicism doesn't denegrate women by not allowing them into the priesthood?

[customerserviceguy]

84. Absolutely

Most forms of christianity have denegrated women, and some clearly still do. But we've been able to throw off much, if not most, of the damage that christian misogyny has done within our civil law. In islamist societies, women's testimony is officially one-fourth that of men (try bringing a sexual harassment lawsuit in Saudi Arabia!), and they don't have the vote in the vast majority of those societies.

We're systematically flushing the bible from our laws, at least where it makes no sense from a human dignity standpoint, why not flush the koran, too, from the places where it oppresses people?

[PegDAC]

105. Exactly!!

The reason we have been able to pass civil rights/human rights in the face of the dominant religion is the principle of the separation of church and state, which the current pack of fundies seems determined to destroy.:argh:

[Zhade]

65. Their religion isn't stupid.

Their insistence that their religion is factually true with no evidence to back up such a statement is.

[customerserviceguy]

85. And this differs from every other religion in what way?

To me, all religion is delusion. But some delusions affect only the person who believes in them, some have a much wider scope when those delusions cause their immediate sufferers to impose the suffering on those who don't hear the voices in their heads.

It wasn't Presbyterian church ladies who crashed jet planes into the WTC, indiscriminately killing thousands of people. It's difficult for me to see people here who rightly decry the damage done by fundamentalist christianity, yet give a free pass to the islamics. The argument of "It's their culture," doesn't pass with me. Its part of many cultures to have sexism, racism, homophobia, slavery, economic exploitation, and militarism, but that doesn't mean I should write other people's rights off, just because they live on a different continent. If the person who lives next door to me is my brother and/or sister, why isn't the person who lives on the other side of the globe? If I demand justice for the person living across the street from me, why shouldn't I want it for someone living under an islamic theocracy?

[Zhade]

94. You're arguing a whole bunch of things I never brought up.

Who's giving anyone a pass?

Your reply strikes me as an excuse to complain about Islam and to falsely suggest that all Muslims are violent and willing to kill non-Muslims. This is so far from the truth (and veers so far from my simple point about any believer's literalism) that I'm not really sure what to say.

[IChing]

10. you can post comments about this church at USA church

they are also in need of "owner" to take comments

Link: http://www.usachurch.com/north_carolina/rural/churches/church_181869.htm

and here:http://www.usachurch.com/north_carolina/rural/Baptist_churches_29.htm

no comments have been posted as of now,

enjoy

[chomskysright]

86. THANKS . I signed up as owner. I'm calling AP, Charlotte bureau

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[Career Prole]

11. The Rev. Creighton Lovelace's mama and papa...

...misspelled "cretin".

[CBHagman]

54. LOL! You win the Kewpie doll, Career Prole.

:rofl: That's the best I've heard all night...

[Tripper11]

14. Here it is, in ALL it's glory.....

Man, if Jesus showed back up, the first people he would smite would be all these insanse fundies using His and his Old Man's name and message in such a perverted fucked up way.

[Disturbed]

15. Maybe the Christians in this area that..

don't feel this way should go protest in front of that stupid sign?

[Clark2008]

47. I think some did today and more protests are planned

I read that somewhere and I'm so sorry, I've forgotten where. If I do run across it again, I'll be sure to come back and post the link.

I do know the uproar has been swift and anti-wingnut sign, though.

[chomskysright]

97. That'd be me: a REFORMED BAPTIST (HEAL!-ed) from the ravages of ....

fundamentalism.

[PegDAC]

107. Ex-Fundie

As I tell people all the time - I'm the product of an excommunicated Mennonite (3rd generation from being Amish) and a Southern Baptist. It explains a lot.:evilgrin:

[frylock]

63. that's the sign?!!

looks like something you would find out front of one of those fireworks stores you see driving down I-40 in Tennessee. Either that or out in front of a titty bar.

[G_j]

70. exactly

And his stupid message put his church briefly on the map.
It is worth noting that at least people are paying attention and expressed outrage over the sign. There is not much happening in his neck of the woods, lost textile and other jobs/poor economy etc.
The "Rev" was going to be on a local talk radio show but it was canceled due to the amount of controversy around the "issue".

[jmcon007]

18. Defending the Bible means taking a mega-shit on other religions?

How many people does he think hate what they consider to be HIS false doctrine(s)?
Another hate-filled "preacher of the gospel".

[tavalon]

72. Yeah, didn't you get the memo?

That's how all the fundies are doing it these days!

[Initech]

19. What WOULD Jesus do?

I dont know, but I dont think flushing the holy book of another religion down the toilet would be it.

[tavalon]

73. You are obviously not a right wind religious fundie, then! n/t

[KaliTracy]

20. funny how it's only "our" way or

"the wrong" way....

think we need to send him a few of these...

[ebayfool]

37. I like that - I'm not religious, but I would actually wear a t-shirt

w/that on it. And a bumper sticker! It gives the right message no matter the beliefs. Can I copy it, & do you sell products w/it? I'd like to see it spread!

[KaliTracy]

52. here's a link

to where I got it --
http://www.instantattitudes.com/complete.html

I'm not religious either -- and find this "my religion is better than yours" really, well, unreligious. I happen to work with very conservative religious folks, and since there are so many of them, I just keep quiet (though once I went off about gay marriage and human rights and some ears I wasn't expecting to hear, heard. C'est la vie)

Someone here at DU had a thread about "countering" the fundamentalists... and after a brief search I found that bumpersticker as well these others at the above link. You might look around with the phrase in Google -- there may already be a teeshirt.

Syracuse Cultural Workers has a lot of tolerance stuff (not just for religion) http://www.syrculturalworkers.com/

[ebayfool]

53. Thanks, these are great!

Tolerance, sometimes you just hafta remind people ... Tolerance!

I'll have to do some shopping at these places, & spread the tolerance!

[KaliTracy]

56. Yes Tolerance... a wonderful human value - or so one would think. In Ohio

(as well as other states) the "gay marriage ban" was on the ballot in November. I wrote a simple letter to the editor (which was published).


It went something like this:

Why are people afraid of

Tolerance
Love
Commitment

Vote No on Issue 1!



of course they ran all of the words together so you didn't "see" the TLC really.... but I'm glad they did run it.

[chomskysright]

98. I'm gonna have to wear my BUCK BUSH T-shirt again, it looks like....

[ebayfool]

102. I would soooo get my ass kicked wearing that one around here! LOL

Very red pocket in blue California (kinda like an abscess)!

[geckosfeet]

58. sent the rev an e-mail with that wonderful truth

[Catherine Vincent]

21. This reverend is being interviewed on Keith Olbermann right now...

[Clark2008]

49. Keith asked some terrific questions, was just as respectful of the

wingnut as he is with other guests and then asked the zinger, "Is THIS what Jesus would do?"
The wingnut gave a whacko answer and, after the fade into the commercial, Keith said, "That's not what the Jesus I know would do."

:rofl:

[barb162]

92. Saw that. The rev. is 100% certain that his bible is THE TRUTH

[Parche]

22. bible

The bible is the most misrepresented fantasy book there is out there

The bible is not real

[hominid]

23. Let the Reverend know how you feel

LOVELACE, CREIGHTON
624 SHILOH RD
FOREST CITY, NC 28043-6965
828-245-3134
[e-mail]

[barb162]

91. It won't make any diff, don't waste your time.

His bible is his truth and he doesn't care what anyone else says or does or thinks

[chomskysright]

99. STAND UP!: it does make a difference....

[barb162]

100. it does not make the teensiest little bit of diff

Only HIS bible holds the truth. Did you listen to him?

[ucmike]

26. rev creighton lovelace? is that real?

or is that the name of his christian radio SHOCK-JOCK character? is 1520am part of the "Excellence in Broadcasting" network?

[Tesla]

27. Linda's cousin/hubby...

sorry, I had to....

Actually, that is a beautiful area down in NC, I would love to live there in Ashville.

I have REAL stupid folk living right down the street here in my middle class neighborhood in Ohio.

They would probably say the same thing.....

[wryter2000]

28. Let them continue to show their true colors

Let the whole world see what hateful bastards they are.

[getmeouttahere]

32. I agree, let the world see them for who they are....

and let them stew in their own sh*t

[elshiva]

41. Really awful stupid behaviour. Of course Muslims rever Jesus

and rever the Bible! Some of the stories in the Bible are in the Koran. To say that the Koran is "false" is to say the Bible is false. As another poster said racial hatred cuts off bloodflow to the brain.

[lectrobyte]

44. another thread with links to story on this in local paper

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3718995

[kineneb]

61. He should be flushed!

The Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the SAME god - the god of Abraham. Says right there in the Old Testament, which all three religions recognize. So they call him/her/it "Yaweh," "God" or "Allah"; all three are simply language names for the same concept. That yokel and his like should be flogged with a large handful of left over Easter palm fronds for being dimwits. Then they should be forbidden to ever preach again.
:crazy:

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[gardenista]

69. Anything to hasten the rapture! nt

[B Calm]

74. Church signs are funny, here is another one.

[Ganja Ninja]

79. Self deleted

[Inland]

78. Insufficient stroking in this post.

Could be "misunderstood", must have many more disclaimers.

[ObaMania]

80. My question is...

.. why aren't these folks being blamed for festering hate and inciting violence in the muslim community?

[Don_1967]

81. QURAN

Next thing you know we will be having flushing & burning parties.

[Democracy White]

88. Very disrespectful

How would this rev and his congregation feel if there were a sign that said "The Bible should be flushed down the toilet"? I bet they would be in such and uproar.

All religions are true, it's just that man has tweeked an manipulated the great writings of prophets in the past to fit their own needs.

Dee

[Stand and Fight]

93. Here is the picture:

[OrlandoGator]

103. Maybe he doesn't know the Koran reveres Jesus as a holy prophet.

n/t

[DaDeacon]

104. My GOD, forgive them for they know not what they do! (n/t)

[PegDAC]

108. Victory!!!

Just read that he changed the Sign!!!
:D

He must have been REALLY embarrassed!!
I love it!!!!!!!

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[Darranar]

109. Disgusting bigotry. No holy religious texts should ever be flushed. n/t

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[Darranar]

126. Totally incomparable. n/t

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[G_j]

119. ok, prove it to me then

show us

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[G_j]

123. bottom line:

thanks for taking the time to respond,

Actually for me this not a matter of one religious doctrine or another.

Personally I am able to have my own opinion about organized religions in general and not project those opinions as hate speech.
I really don't see masses of people basing their dogma & doctrines around a single charismatic historical character as helpful toward allowing the world's peoples to live in peaceful coexistence and tolerance. I think the world might well be better off without the Quran or the Bible.
Still it not my place to tell another what to believe.

I consider it completely unacceptable for anybody to use inflammatory language and hate speech toward others and there is no doubt in my mind that the Reverend's sign and staements are hate speech.
Any sane community would shun and ostracize such a person.

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[raysr]

116. The South should

be FLUSHED!!

[noonwitch]

124. Free speech isn't always pretty or nice

I disagree with the sentiments, but I support the right to free speech.

[Perky]

128. I have to defend the Pastor here

I think it politically incorrect, and perhaps better stated in a sermon to the faithful rather than on a sign. But the past is fundamentally right (no pun intended).

He has an absolute right before God and under the Constition to diffenentiate his faith from that of non-Christians. SHould he be tacky about it.. Of course not...because Jesus would not be tacky about it.

But does any one really believe that Jesus would endorse any religion other than his own?

[Spiffarino]

129. Missing the boat...this is a free speech issue, plain and simple

The guy is a moron...and a hateful one at that. But he has every right to say shitty things, just as I have every right to call him an asshole to his oversized face.