Yet Another Example Of Religious Intolerance...

[dogday]

http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/articles/2005/05/24/news/news01.txt



FOREST CITY -- A sign in front of a Baptist church on one of the most traveled highways in the county stirred controversy over religious tolerance and first-amendment rights this weekend.

A sign in front of Danieltown Baptist Church, located at 2361 U.S. 221 south reads "The Koran needs to be flushed," and the Rev. Creighton Lovelace, pastor of the church, is not apologizing for the display.

"I believe that it is a statement supporting the word of God and that it (the Bible) is above all and that any other religious book that does not teach Christ as savior and lord as the 66 books of the Bible teaches it, is wrong," said Lovelace. "I knew that whenever we decided to put that sign up that there would be people who wouldn't agree with it, and there would be some that would, and so we just have to stand up for what's right."

[Inland]

1. Meant to be provocative and insuliting and hateful, not religious.

It isn't standing up for what is right, because that would require a sign that says that the Bible is Number One. Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say. It's all about the hate. Too bad.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Here we go . . .

:eyes:

[BiggJawn]

16. This "Hateful Atheist"...

Might hold the opinion that the Bible, Koran, and Torah (amongst others) should be kept in the "Fiction" section at the Library, but FLUSHED?

Sorry, you must mean some OTHER "Hateful Atheist"....

[beam me up scottie]

20. Nice, huh?

Lovely sign of tolerance from one of our fellow DU'ers.

[Inland]

28. If you have something to say about me,

just be a little less cryptic and a little more direct.

There's something about a third party disparagement for implied reasons that strikes me as dishonorable.

[beam me up scottie]

29. I've told you what I thought of you to your cyber face before.

Don't you remember insulting me, or do you do it so often to my atheist compadres you forget?

LOL, that's the first time I've heard that the :eyes: is cryptic.

You have ISSUES with atheism and your intolerance is obvious.
Shocking, isn't it?

[Inland]

30. Oh, yes. I remember you being dead wrong about me before

and so many other things as well. It's hard to forget a phrase like "you have issues with atheism"; I'm not used to the language of daytime television.

But this "you have issues" and "your intolerance is obvious" is just more of the same cryptic pronouncement as before.

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[fudge stripe cookays]

59. If you're paraphrasing for a preacher,

it's considered proper to put the words "hateful atheist" in quotes so everyone can see that you're mocking the Fristian in question.

You didn't do that. So I guess everyone knows where you're really coming from.

FSC

[Inland]

65. And where WAS I coming from, in a post on how a church is

hateful and provocative and intolerant?

I didn't put the words in the mouth of the pastor. So where was I coming from? Does everyone speak in code? Use your words, people.

[beam me up scottie]

60. You brought us into the conversation,

and now you are unable to defend your action so you resort to personal attacks and insults.
Can you GET anymore predictable?


"You all suck." ?

Gosh, I'm an atheist and I would never even post something hateful like that...

:rofl:

[Inland]

68. And the action I must defend would be...what? You can't even say.

You don't think you have to even say why you are all afroth, being a self righteous, self centered ideologue. As a person who is on the side of the angels, you don't feel you have to explain why you are right and everyone else is wrong. It's enough you feel insulted and that you think I am on the wrong side of the big believer-nonbeliever divide.

You and the Fristians are two sides of the same self righteous, condemning and prickly coin. You both suck. Try to leave the rest of us out of your fight. A plague on both your houses.

[beam me up scottie]

72. "Try to leave the rest of us out of your fight"

"the rest of us" ?

psst! You're all by yourself.

[Inland]

77. Yes, that's what you think. It's your ideological blinders.

You and the Fristians agree--the world is divided between atheists and belivers, and you both think that all depends on what camp you are in.

Psst..most people don't give much of a shit about these issues that you can't let go of, and by "you", I mean you and your christian opposites. A plague on both your idiot houses. Go beat yourselves over the head over the perceived slights, the pointless debates, and the selfrighteous belief systems. Go to Mississippi and argue with the pastor, and keep yourselves busy and out of the hair of the normal people who can manage to go a day without pretending to be insulted.

[beam me up scottie]

82. Wow.

You really should try to be more careful about getting spittle all over your monitor. Could cause problems.

[Inland]

87. Sorry, I'll be more tolerant of intolerance and stupidity.

No, I won't. Just as the church didn't get a pass, neither do you. A plague on both your intolerant, hypersensitive, ideologically inflexible houses.

[beam me up scottie]

88. I live in a condo, will your curse still work on me?

nt

[Inland]

92. Let's hope so. nt

[Susang]

91. I thought you felt these issues were "boring"

Something change your mind? You certainly seem to post on religious issues an awful lot for someone who's bored by them.

[Inland]

94. Not "these" issues.

The question of belief vs. non-belief or one religion vs. another is boring. You won't find me in those debates.

The question of tolerance is not, which is why I responded to the original post.

And of course, idiotic and self righteous attacks on me are always of interest. I don't consider those "religious", although Beam Me Up Scottie thinks EVERYTHING is about religion vs atheism and thinks every conflict is, or should be, about that.

Sorry, was I supposed to be provoked by your post? I'm really having trouble with cryptic posting and implication today.

[Susang]

97. That's funny

The only time I ever seem to run across your posts are on threads about religious issues, so they are obviously of interest to you. I thought that was fascinating, in light of your "boring" comment from that previous thread on religion.

I don't really care whether you were provoked by my post or not, I was merely seeking information. If you are having trouble with idiotic and self righteous attacks on your posts, then perhaps you might want to examine why that is. After all, you did start out by uttering the phrase "hateful atheist", so perhaps some of these people have a point with their criticism?

[Inland]

99. Well, I guess you got your answer then. And to further BMUS:

Now that the others have tried to tell me what they found so insulting, you know that they indeed do not have a point with their criticism, at least not a valid one.

By the bye, you could find plenty of posts by me on all sorts of issues, fairly good ones at that. It's strange that your perception is so slanted, and perhaps you should wonder why that is.

[Susang]

105. I wonder about about a lot of things

I wonder about you using inflammatory language like "hysterically defensive atheist", "hateful atheist", and "A plague on both your intolerant, hypersensitive, ideologically inflexible houses".

You've called others on this thread idiots, , self centered, self righteous, and silly and accused them of playing the victim. And yet you say others are attacking you. Don't know if you're aware of it, but the whole personal attack thing works both ways.

You can't accuse others of being self righteous and be taken seriously when you are engaging in the same behavior yourself, now can you? Mr. Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Kettle. I think you might have something in common.

[fudge stripe cookays]

57. Hmmm....

I think it's actually more polite to say "you have issues" and "your intolerance is obvious" than coming right out and saying someone's an asshole. But I understand.

But posting "hateful atheist" is just supposed to slide under everyone's radar?

I don't call myself an atheist. I don't really call myself anything. So I don't attend church. BFD. Judgemental much?

FSC

[Inland]

63. And just as cryptic.

I don't expect anything to slide underneath anyone's radar. That would include reading my posts, instead of taking two words and pretending like I know what is bothering you. You take me to task for being judgmental, not against the church that I clearly DID judge to be intolerant and provacative and hateful, but a hypothetical "hateful atheist"

So I am left wondering. Is it wrong to be judgmental, if it isn't clearly directed against christians and only christians? Or is it wrong to even contemplate a "hateful atheist" because there isn't any such thing?

But hey, you won't answer that. Because I'm just an asshole, as has been decided in a completely non-judgmental way.

[beam me up scottie]

69. See ? You just now did it.

Very good, your sentence
"Because I'm just an asshole, as has been decided in a completely non-judgmental way."
referred to yourself as an a**hole, not a christian or an atheist a**hole, or even a religious a**hole, just a plain old a**hole.

I knew you'd get it eventually.

[beam me up scottie]

78. I know, you just can't be suttle with some people.

sigh...

[BiggJawn]

37. Well, DU is just a giant "Slice of Life", ain't it?

tolerant and intolerant people from all walks of life.

[beam me up scottie]

39. He mentions our name and gets upset

when we answer. :shrug:

Reminds me of another person who disliked atheists, but he's not here anymore.

[BiggJawn]

41. And now he's pulling the "dumb act"...

Oh, well, hope he enjoys the "yummy airplane"....:7

[beam me up scottie]

54. I think he's choking on it. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. Which of them? There were dozens.

I remember having brought quite a few of them to the movies -- to see a Western starred by Val Kilmer. If you catch my drift.

[beam me up scottie]

51. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

:rofl:

You shouldn't be so "cryptic"!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

52. I can't help myself. I am a C programmer.

I deal with pointers and pointers to pointers all day. :crazy:

[Inland]

26. Can't tell what your point is.

My guess is that you are trying really hard to be insulted, but I can't tell for sure, and I don't know what you could find offending. Care to elaborate?

[BiggJawn]

34. ME? Moi?

C'mon, you just let that reference to the "Hateful Atheist" SLIP???

THATS what I found offending. Only mildly so, but still, I thought it needed to be pointed out.

Sorry, Inland, but that's classic passive-agressive behavior. Say something insulting then feign innocence when it's pointed out...

If it was meant sarcastically, well, then, joke's on me, isn't it.

[Inland]

36. Still don't understand and don't feel like guessing.

I could guess at what's upsetting you, so maybe you should just tell me in words.

[BiggJawn]

40. OK, here comes the yummy AIRPLANE!!!!

If you're gonna make me SPOON FEED ya, I might as well set the mood.
Now, read the following VERY CAREFULLY...

"Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say."

Again,
"Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say."

OK, now more spoon-feeding...I'm an Atheist. I said you must have mistaken me for some OTHER "hateful atheist". Oh, BTW, "Atheist" is capitalized, much like "Christian" or "Muslim" are...

I find your caricature of Atheists as "hateful" offensive. Mildly offensive, but still offensive

Need I go on, or are we feeling a bit wooden-headed this afternoon?

[Inland]

56. Uh....yeah, somebody has to be spoonfed, and it ain't me.

Forgetting the capitalization--since it is too easy to laugh at your sensitivity---

I didn't characterize atheists as "hateful". If you read my post instead of wrapping yourself in the same sort of self righteous lather as we have come to expect from the fundies, you will see me arguing that the pastor--not an atheist, it seems--was hateful and provocative, by demonstrating that the pastor's argument that he was merely standing up for christianity was bunk. It was bunk because the sign didn't say anything about christianity being number one. It was exactly the same thing a hateful atheist would say--since the message was hate, not religious belief.

But I suppose your insult, now that you have left me guessing what is really bothering you despite my begging you not to, is that I referred to a hypothetical "hateful atheist", because there has never been such an animal, ever, ever, ever, and you are incredibly insulted that an atheist could have the same human failings as this christian pastor--a fucking plague on both your houses. You self righteous ideologues go beat each other on your self righteous, bigoted heads.

[BiggJawn]

61. (sigh)

and you could NOT have made your point WITHOUT the "hateful Athieist" reference?

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying your "Oh, Geeze, why you pickin' on poor ME?" act, either. That's ANOTHER classic tactic used by passive-aggressives when they get their tit in the wringer.

[Name removed]

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[beam me up scottie]

83. Uh Oh, look out!

Now you've pissed off the feminists!
Now I'm going to have to file a report, dammit.

[beam me up scottie]

64. ooooooooooooooo,

He used the F-word.

POTTY MOUTH!

[Inland]

79. Yep. Something else for you to pretend to take offense at. nt

[beam me up scottie]

90. I'm an ex-Marine darlin'.

Swearing doesn't offend me.
Why, I could even teach your momma some new curse words.

[Inland]

95. Oh, everything offends you

or comes close enough that you feel you can come off as a slighted, offended victim. Cracker, atheists, just the words bring you running. Whether you actually mean it or it's just an act isn't my concern. It's silly and obnoxious either way. Plague.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

74. Thank you

for going off the deep end. Makes our job here SO much easier.

[Susang]

107. Doesn't it though?

Everything looks so much more reasonable by comparison. ;-)

[arwalden]

55. Oh Brother! -- I Noticed That Too...

Like a great big flashing NEON sign. Hard to miss. But I'm glad you responded and challenged it.

We hateful atheists need to stick together, eh? :eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

84. I shall call myself one from now on

If you catch my drift. ;)

[arwalden]

89. LOL Ya Big Screwball!

:loveya: :rofl:

[BiggJawn]

103. I'm really not THAT offended by it, but...

Let 'em get away with calling us "hateful Atheists" TODAY, burn at the stake topmorrow, y'know... ;-)

[beam me up scottie]

106. Is it me or does Inland seem upset about something ?

nt

[Ladyhawk]

75. This hateful atheist agrees with the above hateful atheist.

I don't believe in book burning or book flushing of any kind. I'd prefer that people not base their lives on a flawed book, but that's not my choice.

[HEyHEY]

62. Hey it's your religion that says I'm gonna burn in hell for not believing

Don't talk to me about hateful

[ohio_liberal]

2. That's disgusting

What's the feeling locally, I wonder?

[forgethell]

3. As long as they

don't "flush" Muslims, or interfere with their civil rights, I would consider this not as "intolerance", but just "obnoxiousness"

[zbdent]

9. I wouldn't even consider this "intelligence"

just think, if the Muslims were as violent as the Rightwingnuts claim, that church would be nothing but a smouldering cinder right now . . .

But it's not - showing tolerance by a bunch of people toward the intolerant . . .

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I think

it's the other way around.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. That's the best atenuation you can come up with?

Come on, I've seen better.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

31. What are you talking about?

Maybe you meant some other word?

Main Entry: 1at·ten·u·ate
Pronunciation: &-'ten-y&-"wAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin attenuatus, past participle of attenuare to make thin, from ad- + tenuis thin -- more at THIN
transitive senses
1 : to make thin or slender
2 : to make thin in consistency : RAREFY
3 : to lessen the amount, force, magnitude, or value of : WEAKEN
4 : to reduce the severity, virulence, or vitality of
intransitive senses : to become thin, fine, or less
- at·ten·u·a·tion /-"ten-y&-'wA-sh&n/ noun

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Absolutely horrible!

[mcctatas]

5. I'm embarrassed to share a national border with people like this

Maybe we could take up a collection to buy them an island somewhere where they will never have to come in contact with people unlike themselves....it's not like inbreeding is a foreign concept to these crackers

[ohio_liberal]

8. self-delete

I was probably being too sensitive.

[mcctatas]

10. I didn't realize inbreeding crackers were only indigenous

to the south. We have plenty in Northern WI, hence the need to round them all up, from both sides of the mason dixon line, and give them a nice place to live where they won't be bothered by things like science, reason, or humanism...Not at all bashing the south.

[beam me up scottie]

12. The term "cracker"

is a slur.

[mcctatas]

13. I apologize

it did originate as a plantation term for white field bosses who cracked the whip...but as far as making a slur against bigots who put up those kind of signs...Not Sorry

[beam me up scottie]

14. What would you call

an Hispanic or African-American if they put up the sign?

[mcctatas]

23. Not a cracker, which is not necessarily a "racial"slur

so much as a category of persons with a specific world view that is not tolerant of other people period, as in" Pejorative term meaning "white racist," used primarily (but not exclusively) by blacks. From "Georgia Cracker," referring to the crack of a (slave-master's) whip.
But if your really offended still, I will just stick to the inbreeding characterization.

[beam me up scottie]

25. It's not about offending me.

It's about using a slur on a progressive board.
I've only ever seen that word used a few times here and all of the posts were deleted.
Thanks for listening.

[beam me up scottie]

19. I see you're new, maybe you are unfamiliar with the rules.

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[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

33. I'm a cracker and not remotely offended by the term.

Also a gringo and a gimp too. You're sure a lecturer about how others should be characterized, perhaps you're an expert?

[beam me up scottie]

42. No, just a person who believes the

use of slurs is intolerant, ignorant and shows a distinct lack of manners.

But if you want to refer to yourself that way, be my guest.

[Solon]

93. Don't understand the offense either...

I'm a Mick and PROUD OF IT :evilgrin:

[ET Awful]

6. Reverend Creighton . . . pronounced Cretin right?

Frickin hate-filled imbecile.

[Kerrytravelers]

11. Ah yes, Christian love and kindness.

*this liberal Christian bows head in shame*

Allow me to apologize for those of my faith who choose to hate instead of love. My deepest apologies and a sincere reminder that those of this ilk do not represent all of us.

[Maraya1969]

15. SOMEONE PLEASE VERIFY THIS!

I have called all over - the Sandy Hill(?) church group's mail box is full. I ended up calling the sanitation office in Danialtown and had a nice conversation with a man who told me that the pig picken is going to be on Saturday at the church! :rofl:

I could barely understand him besides getting any information from him although he did say the church was right down the road from him but he couldn't see any sign from where he was.

It was like talking to a forein country! Growing up in New Jersey makes it hard to understand some parts of my very own country. :rofl:

So I realized that I had indeed called the local garbage man but I don't know if he was messing with me. If this post sounds a little off, it is because I am not quite sure how to speak english right now!!!!

[lectrobyte]

17. Did you try this number?

DANIELTOWN BAPTIST CHURCH, 828-245-3270
2361 US HIGHWAY 221 SOUTH, FOREST CITY NC 28043

[Maraya1969]

24. Yea, I called that number it their mailbox is full

But I tried again just now - and it's still full. Wonder why they are getting so many phone calls???????

I hope this is true because I'd like to send it to ever jerk who send me that Jane Fonda hoax. But I want to make sure.

Anyone send this to Olberman yet?

[lectrobyte]

32. You could try the reporter, too, his email is given with the story

[e-mail]

[Bluebear]

43. The pig picken, is it that time of year again?

Time shore flies.

[ohio_liberal]

46. So what's a

pig picken? :shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Stand up for what's right?!

How about respecting other people's religious beliefs?! Nah you're standing up for yourselves and nothing else!

[ComerPerro]

27. All the books of the Bible teach about Christ as the savior?

I don't remember reading about that in Genisis, Exodus, et al...

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

35. We can be thankful

we're living in a country where we can say unpopular things. So far. Let's get off their case maybe.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

47. No. Let's not.

Being better that a Saudi mullah is NO merit at all. These are bigots. Bigots get no mercy from me.

[beam me up scottie]

48. So we shouldn't say anything in response

to "unpopular things" ?

You are on a PUBLIC FORUM in case you didn't notice.
We come here to discuss things.
If you don't like the thread you are free to voice your own opinion, choose another thread or go elsewhere.
I do not have to "get off their case".

[lectrobyte]

58. Well, I shudder to think what would have happened if a mosque

had put up a similar sign wrt to the Bible. There are lots of possible messages that the Danieltown Baptist Church could have selected for their sign, but they chose this one as their way of "standing up for what's right", and I'm trying to think of that proverb about sewing the wind...

In other words, they shouldn't be surprised when people call them on their bullshit.

[Name removed]

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. And here THEY come...

And here's all the dems* on this forum instantaneously labeling every criticism of some professed Christian, no matter how specific and explicitly focused it is, as a criticism of all Christians.

To you all, I say this:


* yeah, yeah, I know. It's that I like to give people the benefit of doubt.

[beam me up scottie]

53. ROFLMAO!

:rofl:

[ohio_liberal]

66. OMG

I'm dying here! :rofl:


Can I borrow your pics?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

67. They belong to the People. I am a Commie Pinko Dirtbag, remember?

:hi:

[beam me up scottie]

70. Mr. Commie Pinko Dirtbag,

what is a "fucking plague on both your houses" ?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

71. HUH? What are you talking about? Ops, never mind, I caught it.

Maybe he's calling us all adulterers. You know, having a secret family, a "second house".

Or it could be something even MORE inane. Who knows, I'm no telepath.

[beam me up scottie]

76. That's what Inland wished on us.

I couldn't find it on Wikipedia.

[Ripley]

80. Not to defend Atheist-bashing...

But I think he is referring to Atheists and Fristians as being the two houses as they equally get hysterically defensive.

Just my guess. Kind of confusing. :shrug:

[Inland]

85. Now I get to pull a BMUS and post to a third party. You are right.

Only a truly hysterically defensive atheist could pull an offense out of my post calling a christian church hateful and provocative and intolerant.

A plague on both their houses. Shakespeare. Romeo and Juliet.

[beam me up scottie]

98. You said:

"Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say."
"Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say."
"Instead, he went for something insulting and hateful, something even a hateful atheist could say."

"hateful atheist"

"hateful atheist"

"hateful atheist"

Is that enough or will you finally admit to what you posted?
It's kind of foolish to keep denying it considering everybody else can see your words.

[Inland]

100. Yeah, you aren't hypersensitive or anything.

Looky whose spittle is flying.

The mere juxtaposition of words, nothing more, sets you off.

Yeah, I put the word "hateful" next to the word "atheist." BFD. I already explained to you the post, and how silly it was to think that a post whose thesis was that a church was being hateful and provocative and intolerant was an insult to atheists.

It's been spoonfed to you, and now you are just playing the victim for your own purposes. Got nothing to do with me, or my post. Plague.

[beam me up scottie]

102. Still choking on that airplane?

I can't understand you, all I hear is "GACKFAWKGLURGLERBWAAK !!!"

[Inland]

108. If you'd rather pretend to be offended than anything else, your choice.

Nobody can make you understand anything your ideological blinders and self indulgence prevent you from understanding.

But don't expect the rest of us to give you a huge pat on the head and some faked respect because your strongly held feelings have led you to hypersensitivity and the desire to police threads and play the victim. Get enought of that from the Fristians, the other side of your ideological coin. Plague.

[beam me up scottie]

86. I know, his spit got all over my glasses.

He even managed to work in that lovely phrase about his "tit" being in a wringer.
tsk tsk tsk
Another tolerance thread to bookmark.

[noiretextatique]

81. telling that a church would do this

:puke: it's not about religious intolerance, it's just about plain, old ignorance and crassness, of the uniquely american variety.

[bamacrat]

96. Truths?

No one that hates people based solely on their religious beliefs knows what the word truth means.

[Sapphire Blue]

101. The Rev. Cretin (ooooh, did I misspell that?) Lovelace needs a mind douche

[demgurl]

104. Do they honestly know what they are saying?

They are not just saying a religious book needs to be flushed. when you put it in the context of what happened, they are saying that we should allow Muslims to be tortured.

The flushing of the Koran was so horrendous because it constituted torture to those who witnessed it. By this church saying it needs to be flushed, they are not defending their bible, they are defending the torture of other human beings. This is outrageous. I want to see where their bible says to torture others.

[pinto]

109. Locking.

Seems this thread has become a personal slugfest.

Thanks for your consideration,
DU Mod