8 US Soldiers Killed in Iraq

[joanne]

Still more soldiers dying for the LIES of the * administration. :mad:

[elehhhhna]

1. What's the official total now? 1644 or are those 8 not counted yet?

[joanne]

2. I'm not sure what the total is

And we really have no idea how many Iraqis have died either.

Has to be thousands and thousands.

[fryguy]

4. check here

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[elehhhhna]

6. Don't think they're counted. Would bring it to 1652.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Wrong

They're counted. It's 1644 including the 13 since Sunday (5 Sunday, 4 Monday, and 4 Tuesday).

Don't spread false information.

[fryguy]

15. spreading false information on the internet . . .

there's a first. what's next, conspiracy theories?

:sarcasm:

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. So you're a fan of people getting the number of dead wrong?

G'luck with that.

[fryguy]

25. obviously the sarcasm was lost on you

I was, in fact, supporting your sentiment by noting - offhandedly - how often such errors and falsities are spread here as well as the general Internet. Not that I necessarily ascribe a malicious motive to the poster who got the number wrong.

BTW - Did'ya intend the pun in your subject line?

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. my bad

n/t

[elehhhhna]

24. Fine, my mistake. No need to spank a veteran.

Don't spread unfriendly vibes.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. oooga booga

alacazam

[elehhhhna]

33. Oh yeah? Mama-say-mama-sah-ma-ma-koo-sa to you, then!

:)

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Aaaaaaargh!

I'm demolished! ;-)

[fryguy]

3. we're SO winning the peace over there - n/t

[tishaLA]

5. Rupert Murdoch's fault

For publishing those pics. "Some people say" the Sun, The Post, and FOX "News" are the roots of this evil insurgency. I wish Scott McClellan would give them instructions about how to rectify this situation like he did with Newsweek.

[Robbien]

7. The last time a day passed without a death of a US soldier

was December 17, 2004. 158 days ago.

So sad.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. That's completely untrue

Here are the days in which no US military personnel were killed:

May 6, 2005
May 5, 2005
May 4, 2005
April 11, 2005
March 29, 2005
March 27, 2005
March 24, 2005
March 22, 2005
March 17, 2005
March 13, 2005
March 12, 2005
March 10, 2005
March 8, 2005
March 6, 2005
March 5, 2005
February 20, 2005
February 12, 2005
February 7, 2005
January 25, 2005
January 20, 2005
January 19, 2005
January 12, 2005
January 8, 2005
January 5, 2005

(That's this year, counting Iraq and Afghanistan).

Don't spread false information.

[Roland99]

28. May 21, 2005 according to icasualties.org

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. Actually, a US soldier was killed in Afghanistan on May 21st

I included Afghanistan in the count because the poster I refuted didn't distinguish. I also explicitly mention Afghanistan in the post. Here's the link:

http://icasualties.org/oef/Default.aspx

[Just Me]

9. Are you telling me we've lost 14 in the last 2 or 3 days?!?!?!

Damn!!!! :grr:

[joanne]

10. And barely a mention in the media

Too busy talking about Michael Jackson. :mad:

[hatrack]

18. In this morning's paper, Michael Jackson - Page A5

At least 43 killed, 120 wounded in a series of car bomb and suicide bomb attacks across Iraq - Page A7.

[merh]

12. May 19, 2005 to May 24, 2005 - 17 casualties

24-May-2005 4 | US: 4 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire

23-May-2005 4 | US: 4 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Haswah (50 km S of Baghdad) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Haswah (50 km S of Baghdad) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Haswah (50 km S of Baghdad) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Haswah (50 km S of Baghdad) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

22-May-2005 5 | US: 5 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Sergeant Carl Morgain Al Khadasia (N of Tikrit) Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Kirkuk (near) Non-hostile - vehicle accident
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Mosul Hostile - hostile fire
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Mosul Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US 1st Lieutenant Aaron Seesan Landstuhl Reg. Med. Ctr. Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

20-May-2005 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Taji (N of) Hostile - vehicle accident
US Sergeant Kurt D. Schamberg Baghdad (Abu Ghuraib Prison - near) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

19-May-2005 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Wyatt D. Eisenhauer Mahmudiyah S of Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Sergeant Robin V. Fell Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire
US Specialist Bernard L. Sembly Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire

DoD Identifies Army Casualties

The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died May 19 in Baghdad, Iraq, when they were shot while conducting dismounted combat operations. Both were assigned to the Army National Guard's 1st Battalion, 156th Armor Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, Shreveport, La.

The soldiers are:
Spec. Bernard L. Sembly, 25, of Bossier City, La.
Sgt. Robin V. Fell, 22, of Shreveport, La.

For further information related to this release, contact Army Public Affairs at [phone].

DoD Identifies Army Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Sgt. Kurt D. Schamberg, 26, of Euclid, Ohio, died May 20, in Baghdad, Iraq, when an improvised explosive device detonated near his HMMWV. Schamberg was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

May 23, 2005
Release Number: 05-05-26C

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THREE TASK FORCE FREEDOM SOLDIERS KILLED, ONE INJURED

MOSUL, Iraq – Three Task Force Freedom Soldiers were killed and one was injured in two separate terrorist attacks in Mosul May 22.

The injured Soldier was taken to a combat hospital for treatment.

1 of the 3
US 1st Lieutenant Aaron Seesan

The names of the deceased are being withheld pending notification of the next of kin.

:cry:

[Just Me]

13. *choke*

:cry:

[merh]

14. I know

All I want to do is keep screaming NOT IN MY NAME, as the tears flow.

2 are just kids from Louisiana communities not far from here. The 4 today are part of my area's guard unit that has been serving. I know kids in that unit and my heart is breaking. :scared:

:cry: NOT IN MY NAME!

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Casualty means killed AND wounded

So I'd expect that there a lot more than 17.

[merh]

19. Just going from the site

but so glad you are our resident expert.

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. The site?

The site doesn't have a detailed list of wounded.

If the false statements on this thread are the standard, then I guess I am the expert, if expertise means knowing more than the standard.

[merh]

21. ...

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. You see wounded for the time period you mentioned?

I don't.

Nor is their list of wounded as detailed as their list of dead (hence the qualifier "detailed"). Unless I am misinterpreting your detailed response consisting of ellipses and a site incorrectly, I'll stand by it.

[merh]

30. Read the site.

You'll find your answers, if you chose to read what is available to you.

:hi:

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Point me to a specific place

Where they list the wounded for the time period you mentioned.

I'm quite familiar with the icasulaties site and its various features, and I don't think you can point to that place.

[merh]

32. read the site

It's not hard, try those little tabs and stuff like that.

:hi:

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Are you hard of reading?

I am very familiar with all the features of that site, and I say it does not have the information you say it has. Now, either you show the information, or you don't, but don't keep pointing me to the site in general.

[merh]

36. If you know the site

why are you asking me for information! Talk about hard of reading!

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. I'm asking you because the site DOES NOT have that information

You say it does. I say it doesn't. It would be very easy for you to prove that it does. Link to the page. Your repeated refusal to do so only makes my claim stronger. No doubt you'll have some other smart quip in response. What I don't expect is a link to a detailed account of the wounded from May 19-May 24, primarily because NONE exists at icasualties.org. So, link or don't link. It's very simple. A link to that information will prove me wrong. No link will prove you wrong. I'll be waiting.

[merh]

39. If you know the site the way you say you do, you will see that

what I posted was copied directly from the site.

God, get over yourself. You are going to stroke out or something.

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. What you posted is a list of the dead

Let's review the conversation.

1) You say "17 casualties for the time period"

2) I say "Casualties = dead + wounded, so there are certainly more than 17." I of course assume that the information in icasulaties is the DEAD, since I know the site

3) You say "Just going from the site" which is a non-response, but I guess I should have taken it as "You're right, alcibiades_mystery! I am only counting the dead here, and not the wounded, so there must be more than 17 CASUALTIES, since experience dictates that if 17 soldiers have been killed since Friday, it stands to reason that many have also been wounded. However, we don't have that information, since icasulaties.org does not have a detailed list of wounded from May 19-May 24." I guess that's what I should have read from your response, rather than some ridiculous snark about being the resident expert.:eyes:

4) An extensive back and forth in which I ask you for information on the wounded, and you refer me to the site in general, refusing to point me to a specific place where the WOUNDED (not the dead, now, according to #2 above) are listed.

5) Your previous post here, in which you declare that the information was cut and pasted directly from icasulaties.org. Thanks. I got that when I read the initial post. But that information does not contain information about the WOUNDED, as I already said (see #2 and #4).

The sad part is, this whole exchange seems to be based on your misunderstanding of the word "casualty."

[merh]

41. The sad part is you have obsessed about this all day.

I posted from the site you know so well, so you can post what you want from the site and/or any explanations as needed.

Feel free to share your knowledge and understanding, this is after all, just a message board.

:hi:

[catmandu57]

22. Sometimes things move so fast

That it's easy to get lost in what's going on. All we know for sure is we're stuck inside a waking nightmare, death and destruction happening daily.
The only consolation is that a year ago a thread like this would die a fast death and sink into the archives, at least there are more people paying attention.


edit: typos

[Roland99]

29. Some graphs showing the death toll

[Serial Mom]

34. WAY TOO MANY !

:cry:

Kick this to top, since we don't hear about this much on any news channel!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

42. Olberman just said it was 13 US dead in the last 48 hours