Okay, I give up.

[Pacifist Patriot]

The Eeyores are right. Democracy is dead. I don't know why I just don't go put my head in an oven. When having optimism and a desire to keep up the fight is dismissed as "being clouded by the dark side" I don't know what else to do. The Enemy within seems worse than the Enemy without today. Republicans I can fight. I don't know what to do with defeatist Democrats.

ETA: For clarification. This is NOT about the compromise. This is about people telling me that it is useless to work for the Democratic Party anymore because it is dead. This goes beyond the compromise and predates it. My apologies for the ill-timed vent. My apologies for using the term Eeyores. It was not intended to be directed towards people who disagree with the compromise.

[crispini]

1. Ignore them,

get out of GD, and go do something local and constructive and activist.

Just my two cents. :shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. Defeatist Democrats.

That's not a very nice thing to say about people who are speaking the TRUTH as THEY see it. IMCPO.

[seabeyond]

3. dont know what side you have defeatist dems on but......

if you are suggesting that we still have a fight in us after what happened yesterday, i am much more clearly seeing how what the dems and moderate republicans did yesterday can benefit us, in a wonderful way. so i am not seeing this as bad, as i did last night reading

if this is what you are suggesting, that we still have fight, i say, hey, let go of the defeaTIST, I THink the dems are on your side, the ones that are actually in the mess on the senate floor. gonna sit back and watch for a while

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. No, I'm not talking about just yesterday although

I have seen some venting that goes along these lines. Most people will move past it and start fighting again and I imagine an isolated few will let it get to them. *shrug*

[getmeouttahere]

4. At least there is a chance that doing something locally....

will not only benefit you and your neighbors but maybe it will inspire a change in national leadership...that's all you can hope for. Dems have no power in this country. All this recent maneuvering is a waste...we lost what little power we might have had when the '04 election was stolen and we lost more seats in the senate.

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. Thank you for your response.

That is what I am talking about. I have people in my county who are ready to give up on the local Dem party and it is the most energetic and organized it has been in ten years. The monthly meetings are informative, inspiring and getting larger and larger. Yet there is always someone after the meeting who moans that all hope is lost and we will never accomplish anything again.

Yes, the '04 election was stolen and that is exactly why we must not give up.

[Boredtodeath]

5. And your Party above County Group

are disgusting.

Your insults to your fellow democrats is beyond the pale.

I don't have an opinion about yesterday's "compromise" but I will say my opinion of your group is soundly set in the gutter.

Ever heard of the First Amendment? You know, right to free speech? In your world, free speech only applies if you agree with the party.

You make me ashamed to be a Democrat.

[derby378]

8. What are you talking about?!?

Either post the link or take a step back, please. We just got finished venting at each other - now we need to come together again and find out where to go from here.

Save your vitriol for the Republicans and their allies, not for your fellow DUer.

[Boredtodeath]

15. Direct your comments to the original poster

Because it is his/her name calling of fellow democrats which is causing the problem.

Eeoyeres???????????? You think that's not decisive?

THAT'S what I'm talking about.

The people who are upset over this compromise have every right to discuss their disgust and being called names for doing so is flamebait. Nothing more.

Take up your attacks with the original poster. I was calling him/her out on their flamebait.

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Hello? You are the one talking about the compromise.

I am talking about fellow Democrats who are telling me to give up my work for the Democratic Party because it is useless. I'm tired of people telling me to quit. I am calling THOSE people Eeyores. What the heck does the compromise have anything to do with it?

[Pacifist Patriot]

16. Please explain because I haven't a clue to what you are referring.

This response clarifies my OP. I would appreciate you doing the same with your cryptic response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3718413&mesg_id=3718737

[derby378]

6. For the record...

I think the spirit of democracy is still alive and well. I am not happy with the compromise; that much is true. I do think we got the short end of the stick. But I don't blame you and other folks for showing us how much the Republicans and the theofascists despise McCain for the compromise.

I've heard too many stories of people being chased off of GD, and I hope you won't become one of them.

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. No, I'm not chased off easily.

My vent was poorly timed and not meant to be entirely focused on the compromise. I'm just tired of those who continue to assert that my work, or anyone else's work, on behalf of the Democratic party is useless. When that comes from Democrats it stings. I can handle Republicans telling me to hang it up, but not Democrats. If they want me to do something differently that fine. Offer suggestions. But don't tell me to quit.

[lastliberalintexas]

7. Kind of mischaracterizes many of us today, don't you think?

I see a great many pissed off Dems here, but I haven't seen any Eeoyores. Have I missed something? Or is this about what I think it is, and we're actually angry rather than sad? Anger isn't always a bad emotion, so long as it is channeled properly.

[livinginphotographs]

9. So calling it like it is is defeatist?

All morning, people here have been criticized for daring to think that this deal is not the best thing since sliced bread.

DU is not supposed to be a Bush campaign rally - people should be allowed to disagree.

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. *sigh* This is not about the compromise.

Please see my other posts in this thread. The vent was ill-timed. It's about being told my efforts as an activist in the Democratic Party are worthless because the party is dead.

[Coexist]

10. there are 70,000 here

at least half agree with you - I've stopped reading filibuster threads, let them have them.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. The "defeatist Democrats" are the ones who surrendered yesterday.

The seven in the senate who bowed to the threat of the "nuclear option" and sold out the country.

[elehhhhna]

12. D's & R's are the same party now. Just playing Good Cop/Bad Cop

to keep us pacified.

[AndyTiedye]

13. We Surrendered

Unless there is more to the "deal" than what we have been told,
the Democratic party just surrendered.
How can one be optimistic about that?

If this "moderate" block actually acts moderate and votes DOWN Owen
and Brown, that would Change Everything. There is no indication that
this is going to happen though.

We retain the filibuster on paper only. They will nuke us if we use it.
We caved on the worst of their judges, so we will have a very hard time
making the case for "extraordinary circumstances" for even the most
right-wing of potential appointees. We haven't been run out of DC,
yet, but we have lost the last of our power there.

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Please see my clarification. This is not about the compromise.

It's about being told to quit.

[AndyTiedye]

30. Who Said Anything About Quitting?

Even if our cause becomes completely hopeless,
we still have to let the rest of the world know we're trying.

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. WHOA! Hold the phone everyone.

Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about specifically referring to DU or lumping people who disagree with the compromise into the category of Defeatist Democrats. I am more than capable of addressing people here individually.

I am talking about people here, on other forums, in the media, in books, in my personal life who continue to insist that the Democratic Party is no longer viable and I'm wasting my time. I do not agree that yesterday's compromise is another example that either the Democratic Party or democracy is dead but I have not suggested that anyone shouldn't hold that opinion.

I'm sorry, but there are indeed defeatist Democrats out there and I do not know what to do with them. It's that simple. If you aren't a defeatist Democrat than I'm not talking about you. I'm venting out of personal frustration, that's all.

[Boredtodeath]

17. I call Bullshit on you

You have SPECIFICALLY called fellow DUers Eeyores several times.

You posted flamebait and you're being called on it. This entire thread should be locked as the flamebait it is.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. Excuse me. I have never called fellow DUers Eeyores.

Feel free to search and I'll eat my words but I cannot recall ever feeling like this before. I have seen the expression used but it was not by me.

[Telly Savalas]

26. But in the mean time let's kick it by posting to it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

29. I think you are confusing me with this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3649480

As you can see I neither initiated the thread nor did I respond to it. I searched for the word Eeyore and only came up with one other thread on the Gun Control board. I have never posted there.

[Bouncy Ball]

31. Hey Boredtodeath

I'd like to see links, too, to where Pacifist Patriot EVER called any Dems Eeyores on other occasions.

Cough up those links. I follow her posts all the time and I've never seen it.

[Q]

24. I would rather see what you call 'defeatist' Dems around here...

...rather than the alternative: everyone towing the party line and agreeing on everything.

What you're describing as a negative is actually citizens participating in democracy.

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. Please read my clarifications.

I am not talking about disagreeing with party decisions or suggesting alternative courses of action. I am talking about people who say to give up, it's not worth it anymore.

[me b zola]

28. It is becoming more difficult balancing reality with optimism

I believe that we all are struggling to cope with the disgrace that is happening to our democracy, our Constitution, Bill of Rights, our Nation, and what is happening around the globe 'in our name'. We all have our more pessimistic moments when it seems like there is no hope, I frequently feel this way, but I try to not project that when I post ( I am not always successful). But everytime that we log on to DU we are refusing defeat, everytime we call or write a Congressman, Senator, or editor of a newspaper we are refusing defeat. We all have our moments, but we keep showing up, refusing defeat.







Hang in there, & NEVER GIVE UP

[Bouncy Ball]

32. Pacifist Patriot:

ANYONE who tells me to stop doing the work I'm doing, that it's no use, is regarded out of the corner of my eye and with great suspicion. And if they persist in telling me to give up, they get a hearty and hale "fuck you very much" no matter WHAT party they are in.

Keep on keepin' on, ok?

[EFerrari]

33. If they're not in your corner, you don't need 'em. End of story.

Do you know how many votes they had to disappear to re-select the Cabal? I know you do. Each one of them represents an opportunity.

I'm not even a Democrat and I'm not giving up on the Dems. Hang in, sistuh.

:hi: