Why do Republicans continue to remind everyone that Byrd was a Klansman?

[Catherine Vincent]

This was over thirty something years ago. Even Jeff Gannon, who wants everyone to forget about HIS past, brings it up as if he's still in the Klan.

But how much for Robert Byrd's sheets?http://www.jeffgannon.com/

[rodeodance]

1. because repitition works

[bowens43]

2. Because they're pissed that he didn't change

parties like all the other racist Dems of that era.

[southernleftylady]

3. and ask them about bushs wild days and they say..

oh that was so long ago.. oh and is born again :rolleyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

69. Even though Byrd is too

He mentioned it on the floor one day during the talk of the nuclear option etc. He said "I'm a born-again myself but I don't like to talk about it that much." ;)

[Cooley Hurd]

78. Bush hung a confederate flag in his dorm at Andover...

...and, despite pleas from African American students, he left it up.:eyes:

[mopaul]

4. cause it's about the nastiest thing you can say

like barbara bush looks like a pig with lipstick

[DistressedAmerican]

5. I'm Sorry. I Think That Is Fair Game. Klan History Is Ugly PERIOD.

I would never stop repeating it about a repug.

What about you? If you knew that thirty years ago Frist had been in the Klan would you not shout it from the rooftops?

[Fleshdancer]

my thoughts exactly. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

18. I guess you have a point but no, I would not shout from the rooftops

that Frist was in the Klan. As long as he has proven himself to be change for the better then more power to him.

[DistressedAmerican]

21. You Are A Generous And Forgiving Soul!

Go in peace today and may inner calm still the raging waters of politics!O8)

[DistressedAmerican]

30. I Was Inspired!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3718260

[mermaid]

27. Fair Game. We Roasted David Duke For His Klan Past...n/t

[Tomee450]

55. But Byrd is not

behaving like Duke who still supports white supremacy. I see not point in pounding someone for something he did a long time ago and has seen apologized for.

[mermaid]

59. Agreed. But In The Interest Of Fair Play And Equal Time

I had to point out that we hung that albatross around David Duke's neck...and no one else here saw fit to bring it up.

We kept hammering away at David Duke. Granted, your points about Duke are valid, in that he still holds those opinions...and behaves in that manner...plus, Duke was a Grand Wizard...and Byrd never got that far into the Klan.

Nevertheless, in the interest of being fair about this, I had to point out that we hammered away at Duke for the very same thing. And we didn't let it go, either.

Nor should we have!

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. The point is, while Frist, from his current stances, looks as though

he may be, Byrd, as evidenced from his current politics, clearly is not. They want to use the label without examining the attitudes. If Byrd was still narrow-minded, bigoted, religiously prejudiced and racist, call him on it. But he isn't.

[Liberal_Andy]

34. Here's the difference, Byrd is no longer in the Klan, if he was,...

he'd be a repug!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. Why?

His current evils are more than enough rooftop material.

[Tomee450]

54. I disagree.

I am black and I strongly disagree that one's past should be held against him even after he has apologized for it. Senator Byrd has expressed his regrets for being a member of the Klan and that is good enough for me. If he had been in the Klan more recently, and still shows signs of a racist attitude,that would be a different story but he was a member forty or fifty years ago and has changed. I see no need to keep criticizing him for that period in his life.

[walldude]

56. Gotta agree with you

if it was Frist or Delay or any other repuke we'd be up in arms about it...

[tuvor]

6. Brining up someone's past can be a handy tool regardless of your leanings.

All sides seem to do it.

[ArkDem]

29. Uh, uh huh huh huh, you said tool.

[Bozita]

7. Look at him! ... Look, look!

I'm sure that Jesse Helms grins in his grave every time the Repugs point at Byrd.

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. When did Jesse Helms die?

I didn't get to celebrate :(

[Bozita]

24. oops ... confused him with Strom Thurmond

but here's my favorite Helms quote:

"No, I do not. And neither do the people in the armed forces. Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He'd better have a bodyguard." - Spoken on the 31st anniversary of the Kennedy assassination when asked on CNN if he thought President Clinton was "up to the job" of serving as the commander-in-chief<11/23/94>

[Coexist]

8. for the same reason we like to remember that Frist killed cats

and Gannon/Guckert was a call girl.

[mopaul]

9. many republicans are CURRENT kkklansman

the operative word with byrd is 'former' klansman

[DistressedAmerican]

13. Never Give Then A Fucking Pass EITHER.

The operative word being either...

[forgethell]

25. Which ones.

I mean actual members of a Klan organization. Not just those against affirmative action or reparations or abortion, or something. In other words, disagreeing with the progressive position does NOT make one a Klansman, any more than agreeing with progressive positions makes one a Communist.

Can you back up this assertion?

[Wapsie B]

10. To try to minimize anything he says.

Always attack the character of your opponent. If the debate ever gets to the issues one can fall back on the tired, shop-worn rants of taxes, crime and security. And NEVER EVER apologize.

[gratuitous]

11. Because it makes them feel all gooey and nostalgic

For a simpler time when darkies knew their place, white men ran things without having to put up with a lot of sass, and disrespect of their exalted position as King Shit of Turd Island was dealt with summarily.

[RobertSeattle]

12. Over thirty years ago? Try sixty

But as the first poster said, repetition works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

"Byrd participated in the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) for a period of time in the early 1940s, holding the title "Kleagle", which indicated a Klan recruiter."

[sweetheart]

20. But it was in 64 when the DEMS* filibustered the civil rights act

The dixicrat history is still too recent, and a severe embarassment
given how the modern party positions itself. It would be appropriate
for the democratic leadership to make a formal statement about racism
and its strategic oppostion to jim crow laws, gerrymandering and
racially biased justice... as until then, the dixiecrat traces still
linger like nettle roots beneath the surface.

THe republicans are happy, because the racist voters are now on their
roles, and we'd win support if we were more vocal about racial equality
with minority communities in america... the dixicrat history is living
history and there is still distrust that a party wants votes without
making a firm stand in that area.

[kwassa]

85. Sorry, most Dixiecrats went Republican in the '80s as Reagan pursued

his Southern strategy. The Dems have nothing to apologize for at this point; the racist baiting has long been taken over by the Republicans.

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Because Byrd has been one of the few with the balls to call Bush out.....

...on the war, and all the other bullshit. And because the 'Pukes have no response to what Byrd actually says, they have to divert attention by pointing out a mistake he made before they were born.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Because they're a bunch of ASSHOLES.

That's why. They conveniently neglect to say that he PUBLICLY apologized on national TV for his youthful ignorance.

[Warpy]

17. Stupid people think two wrongs make a right

and really, really stupid people don't realize that some men change with the times.

When Byrd was starting out, he had to be Klan in order to get enough support to be elected. Besides, some of them were like the Kiwanis or Rotary Club in much of the south, another way for men to get away from nagging wives and squalling children. Some Klan units were vicious, as vicious as the men in them. Some were not. I have no idea what Byrd's Klavern was like, but I do know when it became possible for him to reject them, he did.

GOP luminaries like (vacant)Lott are now in the CCC, the uptown version of the Klan. Because Byrd had a remote association with the Klan, they argue, it's perfectly all right for Lott to have a current association with an organization of and for bigots. They're like little children who whine, "but Billy did it too!" when they're trying to justify some sort of mischief to Mom.

This is why they keep harping on it. They are the result of incredibly bad parenting that said it was just peachy to burn down somebody's garage if another kid in the neighborhood did it too, since two wrongs always made a right and there was no reason to grow up.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. I think you got something there...

Two wrongs make you right wing.:-)

[Yupster]

65. That's very doubtful

The Klan that Byrd joined in the late 40's was not the Klan of the 20's.

From my local Funk and Wagnall's, Klan membership peaked in 1924 at about 3 million.

"In the mid 1920's inept and exploitive leadership, internal conflict, and alleged Klan immorality and violence badly damaged the Klan's reputation..."

(alleged Klan violence???)

"By 1929 it had been reduced to several thousand members."

"... 1930's the Klan remained active on a small scale..."

"In 1944 it disbanded formally when it was unable to pay back taxes owed to the federal government. Revival of Klan activities after the war led to widespread public sentiment for the suppression of the organization."

After 1947 "Klan unity broke down into numerous, independent, competing units, which often did not last long enough to be placed on the list of subversive organizations issued by the US attorney general."

If anyone is thinking that Byrd joined the Klan because it was a controlling unit of the politics of the area, I believe that is a hopelessly wrong thought. The Klan Byrd joined was a discraced and discreditted remnant of an organization that used to be powerful 20 years before that. In 1947, a person didn't naturally join the Klan to get ahead. In 1947, you'd really have to want to join the group to do it despite its horrible reputation.

If there was a Republican Senator who was a former Klansman, there would be no let-up against him. In fact, Thurmond and Helms were always heckled as Klansmen though neither ever was.

Nope, this is Byrd's cross to bear for the rest of his life and he deserves the criticism he gets.

I wasn't perfect in my 20's either, but at least I was never a knight rider of the invisible empire of the f*&*ing Ku Klux Klan.

[Art_from_Ark]

90. The Klan re-emerged at the national level in the 1920s

with a base in Indiana. Its undoing was apparently fueled by the rape and murder of a young woman by one of the top Klansman. However, don't kid yourself into thinking that was the end of it. There were plenty of Klan groups in the South, including West Virginia, long after the Indiana-based Klan went out of favor. They were still going strong in many places in the South, such as Philadelphia, Mississippi, well into the 1960s.

[saltpoint]

19. Byrd is smarter than they are. He threatens them.

He's an impediment to their quest for control of the Senate.

It's hard to grab power when a smart man is questioning your motives and calling you a pack of cheap-ass, short-sighted baboons.

[AzDar]

23. Strom F*&kin' Thurmond...promoted segregation his entire political

career. After he died, it was revealed that he had a grown daughter
who was the product of miscegenation. Now he has a ROOM in the CAPITAL
named for him. Who cares about HIS past right? REPUBLICAN PARTY=HYPOCRISY.

[ComerPerro]

37. hypocrisy is what its all about

I can see why they bring up Byrd and his past. But Byrd has apologized and has cleaned up his life. He has actually done things to show that he is sorry.

It doesn't really bother me that they bring up his Klan past. I can't blame them. I would too, to be honest.

What bothers me is the pious arrogance that they use when bringing it up.

If its relevant to mention that a member of the Senate was in the Klan in the 1940s, why is it out of line to mention that the President was an alcoholic and a failure for thirty years?

[Hubert Flottz]

39. HYPOCRISY-R-GOP

I thought Bible thumping do-gooders were supposed to "FORGIVE" in order to get FORGIVENESS for themselves in the end! The GOPers all talk the Do-Gooder talk, but they fall far short of walking the Do-Gooder walk! That, friends and neighbors, is called HYPOCRISY!

I'm proud of Robert Byrd because of what he has become today and not of what he was sixty years ago! What he did sixty years ago he can NEVER change. What he's doing since the bloodless coup of 12/12/2000 takes the heart of a lion and the will of a true patriot!

Ask yourself this simple question...Have I ever made a mistake in my life? If you are a deranged, silly, arrogant, asshole like George Bush, then the answer to that question is probably...NO! Bush even lies to and fools himself! If on the other hand, you are an honest, normal, run of the mill human being then the honest answer to yourself would be...YES I have made MANY mistakes in my life!

[Bozita]

40. Wasn't Strom the original "Gropinator?"

grabbing, squeezing and pinching to the very end.

[Gman]

26. Because that's all they have

Byrd is an outstanding member of the Senate. They have nothing else to attack him with.

Sean Hannity made the slur about Byrd being a former Klansman and (I think it was) Bill Press responded, "So the president is a former drunk." I think that's always the correct response. They hate to hear that.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. Drunk Cokehead and Coward!

I'd add Nazi too!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

28. same reason we repeat that Rumsfeld met with Saddam

it's an attempt to impune his character

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. They're mad he left them, obviously.

[Strawman]

33. Yet they boast of their electoral strength in "Klan Country"

And valorize Strom Thurmond. Total bullshit. Everyone with a shred of intellectual honesty knows who the racists cast their ballots for and why.

[Yupster]

66. Klan Country?

Where the heck is that?

[zbdent]

35. Nukular rebuttal - Which party now attracts more KKK members?

When's the last time you saw a skinhead or KKK type endorsing a Democrat? (Despite the fact that a Dem would be more likely to insure their right to free speech - like what got Mike White in Cleveland into a lot of hot water a while back).

[Davey Crockett]

36. well Byrd doesn't help

when he talks about "white niggers" on tv.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Yes, that is true.

He shouldn't have said it.

[0007]

38. Even a regular poster here named Yupster brings up the Byrd

KKK thingy every chance he gets.

[Hubert Flottz]

47. Some people who post here are not here to help out the...

democratic party! I forget what you call those folks!

Maybe Robert Byrd should bring up Pickles driving record! He would never do that, because he don't need to stoop to the freepers and GOPer's slimeball level!

[0007]

52. The name "Troll" will work eh?

And they can be so ever subtle....

[Yupster]

67. I will be very glad the day

Byrd retires and we can put the ugliness of the Dixiecrats behind us.

I am willing to forgive him for being a Klansman, but I don't want him anywhere near places where laws are made.


I'd also forgive a child molestor, but I still wouldn't want him working in a daycare center even 50 years later.

[Bridget Burke]

86. The Dixiecrats turned Republican. Byrd didn't.

He still have valuable things to say in the Senate.

[Ravenseye]

43. Chapaquidik

Stained Dress
Threw Away His Medals

etc

Repetition of facts, and falsehoods...They play to the lowest common denominator in all of us to manipulate.

[smartvoter]

45. We would do the same. The Klan is fair game both ways. nt

[Tomee450]

58. Disagree

"We would do the same. The Klan is fair game both ways. nt"

I wouldn't. I believe in forgiveness. If someone apologizes for what he has done and no longer engages in the same behavior, I would never bring up the issue again.

[Solly Mack]

46. it's the "no good defense so go on the offense" tactic

attack when all else fails...

the GOP is known for it's racists....so instead of addressing that issue...they attack Byrd and say "it's not us, it's them"

[Hubert Flottz]

48. You nailed it!

Like when the neocons call us Nazis, yet they themselves act and think exactly like the Nazis did!

[mvd]

64. I think you're right

I think some just use it because they'll use whatever it takes to slander a Democrat. Others want to make it seem like the Repukes are the party of equality when they clearly are not.

[ngGale]

73. The GOP are all 'closet klansman'...

they are mad at Byrd because he is not one of them. If he was, he would go over to the dark side like Zell Miller. Grew up in the south, still live in the south - the GOP is one big racist cover. Same fhristian morals I saw growing up - go to church every time the doors are open - then don the robe, go out and kill. Same mental psyche...:scared:

[Ioo]

49. Bush is a war criminal - His Grand-father was conviced as war profiteer

So there

[ArkDem]

93. I was conviced once.......but i got better.

[bunkerbuster1]

50. Insulation.

Same reason the Freepers claimed Kerry was "racist" for opposing Torture Boy Alberto. Wingnuts know that they attract a racist contingent themselves, many of them ARE racists, and by chattering "KKK Byrd" at every opportunity, it makes it seem like everyone else is, as well, so why are you all giving us a hard time?

[HughBeaumont]

51. Because we keep reminding them that * hasn't done a DAMN right thing

while in office.

And deep down inside, most of them KNOW it. The ones who don't are lobotomized.

[UdoKier]

53. More like 50 years ago.

But its an understandable political tactic, a hard one for Byrd to fight back against, much like Kennedy will forever be vulnerable to Chappaquiddick references.

Fortunately, their constituents know their value and continue to send them back to the senate decade after decade, in spite of their mistakes in the distant past.

At least Byrd doesn't belong to the party that is actively trying to make life harder for working people and people of color TODAY.

[mermaid]

60. Good Point!

" At least Byrd doesn't belong to the party that is actively trying to make life harder for working people and people of color TODAY."

All I can add to that is a hearty A-Fuckin-Men!!

[oasis]

57. Because they know that we know that 99.9 percent of active KKK vote GOP.

Freep scum and Repubs seek to to legitimize an integral part of their base.

[spindoctor]

61. Saying a West-Virginian was a clan member in the 60's is like...

...saying a German was a member of the Hitler Jugend in the 40's.

That was just the way things were done.

Byrd has made more than up for his youthful mistakes, which is more than we can say of a certain politician with a history of drugs, booze and pretzels.

It's just typical Republican ad hominem "argumentation" used against people who question their rhetorics.

[Yupster]

68. Your history is way off

as is your timeline.

[spindoctor]

70. Ok, it was the 40s.....your point?

.

[Yupster]

72. My point is

that when Byrd joined the Klan, the Klan was long past its height, and was a discreditted remnant of an organization.

Joining the Klan in 1947 was not like joining the Hitler Jugend in 1943. It would be coser to joining the HJ in 1928. Those would be two very different things in my opinion.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

87. The Klan of the 50s and 60s was certainly past their hay day

of importance but if you think for one minute there weren't very strong, very virulent groups of KKK throughout the South you are crazy. The organization may not have had the numbers of the early days but it certainly had the die hard zealots who did not mind lynching, burning, etc. Your argument that it was long gone is just incorrect. And many towns were run by the Klan with an iron fist.

It took 3-4 trials - and 30 years - to convict the men who were responsible for the killing of the three northern civil-right workers in 1963 documented in "Mississippi Burning." Had the perpetrators (police and Klan members)dead to right (bragged about their deeds) but in that day and time the prosecutors could not find a jury in the town to convict these animals. My point, the Klan ran everything in many small towns and if a man didn't take at least a passive position on the KKK their lives could be just as threatened because these guys were thugs who got off on bullying any and everyone and calling it race purity and Christian-directed.

I grew up in a quiet, Southern town. There were separate schools, bathrooms, water fountains. As far as I know there was no KKK but that didn't mean there weren't certain things you just did not do. At a tender age I knew it was wrong, had a family that certainly knew that it was wrong but it was there. The men who ran the town in those years were not evil, blood thirsty segregationist but did maintain the status quo until ordered by the courts to stop all dividing of the races. They did this mainly because that is what they knew at the time. We all have the ability to do the best we can at any time and when we know better we do better. Those same men in my small town today, I feel, would be completely different in both their methods of governing and their opinions. We have the luxury of learning from past mistakes. In some circles it is called enlightenment.

Senator Byrd is just like the rest of us, a product of our upbringing. Does that mean that none of us can change, unlearn terrible behavior? Certainly hope not. Senator Byrd has proved time and time again his heart, opinions and considerable clout is on the side of all races, Democrats and the angels. And he has been doing it for 50 years. So when would you have him take off that yoke of once upon a time and judge the man by who and what he is today? The repugs will never see him any different because it suits their agenda to see Byrd as the person he once was - but informed, kind and progressive people should realize Byrd is not who the repugs want him to be.

[Wizard777]

62. Grand Wizard, HUH. Okay. We shall see.

If anyone has an absolute right to be upset with Senator Byrd's past. As the Magus Amathion loyal follower of Ahura Mazda. It is I who have all right to be upset with him. Much like my predecessors were upset with the Medici's. The KKK an evil empire of Ahriman that has bastardized the tenants of my religion. The have brought shame and contempt to the ever noble name of the Maji. They have tried to destroy the graces we have been given in many lands in many times in this land. They have caused God's children to fear us. To hate us. To hide from us. His light bearers and gift givers. They have harmed His Children and us. We can cast the light of truth upon their destructions. We can give our most humble and sincere apologies for not repelling that darkness sooner. But we must obey our Wise Lord. It has to be done in His time and in His way. We can offer patients in the light of knowledge. That the druj's that are the Ku Klux Klan like the druj's that were the Medici's shall be no more. I think Senator Byrd has realized the phantasm of his masquerade. I would hope that he is truly repentant of his old evil ways. We have been watching him.
I pray to Ahuratu for his reprieve. If he is truly repentant. If he has found his enlightenment. If he now serves all of God's Children. I shall not be a fool in Ahuratu's eyes. It shall be granted.

[Swamp Rat]

63. "You are absolutely correct!"

That's what I tell 'em. Then I say, "And, Bush is a Nazi who has gay sex with fake reporters in the White House." :D

[KitSileya]

71. The same reason we keep reminding people Frist is a cat-killer perhaps?

n/t

[Vogon_Glory]

74. To Deflect Attention Away From GOP/CofCC Ties

I'm convinced that the reason that right wingie-dingies bring up Robert Byrd's fifty year-past membership in the Klan is because they want to divert attention AWAY from many "conservative" Republicans' far more recent (and in some cases continuing) ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a direct descendant of the racist, segregationist White Citizens' Councils of the 1950's and 1960's.

The right wingie-dingies think that if they try and associate Byrd with the Klan, their dupes and fellow-toadies won't think about the sorts of white-collar racists that comprised the White Citizens' Councils or the sorts of continuing prejudice found in the Council of Conservative Citizens' present-day thinking.

Distract and divert. The American body politic still falls for the same old gag.

[Judi Lynn]

77. Trent Lott, Bob Barr, Haley Barbour: "Uptown Klan-" related activities!

Here's a list of some politician members:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=315

Also a good hard squint at the organization, for DU'ers who haven't taken time to look into these guys:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=802

[H2O Man]

80. A partial list of politicians

who have documented ties to the CCC since 1998, when Trent Lott got in hot water over his CCC ties and the RNC strongly recommended that republicans to avoid such associations, include:

From Miss.:

Roger Wicker, R, Congressman

Gov. Haley Barbour (R)

Kay Cobb, Presiding jusice, Miss Supreme Court

Robert "Bunky" Huggins, (R) state senator

Gary Jackson, (R) state senator

Richard White (R) state senate

Dean Kirby (R) state senate

Jim Beckett (R) state rep

Gary Alan Chism (R) state rep

Bill Denny, Jr (R) state rep

James Ellington (R) state rep

Joey Fillingane (R) state rep

Mark Formby (R) state rep

Harb Frierson (R) state rep

Jack Gadd (D) state rep

Bobby Howell (R) state rep

Wanda Jennings (R) state rep

John Moore (R) state rep

Dannie Reed (R) state rep

Ray Rogers (R) state rep

Eric Roberts (R) state rep

Clayton Smith (R) state rep

Tommy Woods (R) state reps

Source: "See No Evil"; Intelligence Reporter; Fall 2004

[Vogon_Glory]

92. Let's Make This A Radioactive Topic

I think that it behooves us to bring up the GOP/CofCC connection any time a right wingie-dingie brings up Senator Byrd's half century-past membership in the Klan. The more thinking people (I suppose there still are a few) in the GOP and the more the blacks and Hispanics (And I suspect that there is only a minuscule portion of US Hispanics with pure Iberian bloodlines) that the GOP are reminded of this continuing unsavory connection, the less attractive the GOP will be.

[B Calm]

75. Over 50 years ago Byrd was supposedly in the Klan. Now that is hot

news...

[B Calm]

76. Remind them about the racist Strom Thurmond and his affair with

the little 15 year old black girl Essie Mae Washington. Ask them if they had a problem with that too..

[H2O Man]

79. It should be studied .....

Byrd had more than a passing interest with the KKK. His speech on the dangers that Martin Luther King posed to the nation, shortly before King was murdered, remains one of the most chilling speeches by an American official to date. However, the focus must be on his change. People change, and that includes people on the left and on the right.

More important than Byrd's past might be the 26 politicians that the Southern Poverty Law Center has documented as continuing relationships with the Council of Conserrvative Citizens (CCC), which is a modern KKK "front." In 1998, Trent Lott got in some hot water for his cozy relationship with the CCC, and the RNC recommended that their party distance itself from the CCC.

It is a sad statement that while the majority of the southern politicians who dance for this group -- which is literally the KKK in business suits -- are republicans, there are democrats with strong ties to it, too.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

81. Why? Simple.

Because he left the Klan, and denounced it as the greatest mistake of his life. And it's a convenient thing to scream when he proves what a shite Commander Cuckoobananas is. As far as Topsy the Ho goes, him criticizing anyone's past is laughable.


A year or so ago, I held my nose and looked on a klan site to see what they thought of Byrd. They referred to both him and Thurmond as "race traitors" for moderating their views (translation: they grew up). When I can find sensible conservatives (they DO exist, if only in captivity) who bring this up, I usually tell them this. Always fun watching the jaws go :wow:

[JerseygirlCT]

82. Distraction nt

[illbill]

83. I hate Byrd...

One of the only Senators that I despise on the Democratic aisle.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

88. So don't vote for him. But do you bother with logic in that statement

or is this just a self-justifying moment for you?

[illbill]

89. Mmmmm...

I simply agree with the Republicans when they slander Byrd. It's not like what they say is baseless.

[Mr_Spock]

84. Takes one to know one!!

This Christo-zombies know bogotry - they wrote the book on bigotry - they need to show the other side is bigoted (or was) to cover for their raging and insane bigoted rhetoric...

[Freddie Stubbs]

91. Would we stop repeating it if here were a Republican?

:shrug: