How do we know this wasn't Bush's plan all a long?

[FreedomAngel82]

Earlier tonight on Malloy he told how Bush and the White House said the compromise was a positive thing. How do we know this wasn't their plan all along? How do we not know they have something else planned? I think this was all "Smoke and mirrors" to get these top three judge's through with no problems and they succeeded. They choose these judge's for a reason. Especially Owen. When I first heard the news I had this REALLY horrible and big negative feeling in my gut. I think they have something else planned and that's why Frist is really pissy because he didn't get his way and they didn't let him know of their plan and he is seen as a wimp and all that with the base. The base (fundies) is really pissy now but you know good and well before this year is out (or early next year before the midterms) they'll do something and they'll be back lapping it up. We all know how buddy-buddy McCain has been lately with Bush since his whoring for Bush last year. He and Liberman (who got a kiss from Bush earlier this year) were key players I believe. They sold us out. I think something else is coming and this was a warning to the democrats not to get in the way.

[okieinpain]

1. well sir, dems do not have the numbers to stop them. so what

would you have them do.

[Pastiche423]

12. THEY din't have the numbers

for the Nuclear Option.

Thus, the "compromise".

[okieinpain]

20. sir, the repugs didn't have the numbers for the nuklear option

because of the compromise. I think you're putting the carriage in front of the horse.

[loveable liberal]

2. because bush is an idiot.

Lieberman should not be re-elected. moderates are ok for moderate times, but in a dog fight, pick an effen side.

[Q]

3. This is the oldest ploy on the books...

...demand something 'extreme'...that you know you'll never get and then look 'reasonable' by accepting a compromise where you get everything you wanted anyway.

D'oh!

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Of course

They would've voted for this anyways with people like Liberman and Biden letting them go through. I just believe this was all theatre and for something bigger. Isn't it interesting how they made the compromise after the news started reporting people weren't interested etc?

[understandinglife]

6. Yeap, and they got much more than many are willing to see. To wit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3714853&mesg_id=3716060

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[lonestarnot]

4. When did this fuck ever have a PLAN?

[FreedomAngel82]

7. I guess I should

say Cheney instead.

[Individualist]

8. It was Cheney's plan, not Bush's nt

[Zorra]

9. Two words: Priscilla Owen.

Brandy and cigars all around at the WH.

[Mr_Spock]

10. This second guessing and pessimism is killing me

I'm just glad we aren't fighting in the streets.

[ugarte]

11. I don't agree

While I hate the thought of Priscilla Owens and the others being approved, this whole thing was never about the appellate nominees. It was always about the Supreme Court, and the Democrats have managed to keep the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees.

From a position of numerical weakness, I think they did the best they could and actually achieved their chief goal, which was to live and fight the bigger battles to come.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Sure as shit he will nominate owens for the SCOTUS

and on what grounds will they filibuster that one??

[progressoid]

17. I agree that this was about the Supreme Court but

what is going to prevent this from happening again? The nuclear option is still out there.

[seabeyond]

13. i agree with you again freedomangel

we had a commercial on in texas backing owens. it was disgusting. i hear it is to install her here so when enron comes up they will be protected with her in there.

i dont think they planned on nuclear option. i think they only wanted owens, and the more they said no to owens the more the repugs fought for nuclear. i think they simply wanted her in. when i started reading the threads, i thought surely she wont be in it, and she was. they turned on that. i dont feel good about this

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Exactly

And also they wanted her for that reason (the Enron ordeal). They knew she'd protect them and their oil buddies. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OIL PEOPLE!

[kentuck]

15. Bush will try to spin this as a "positive thing" and....

we should agree with him. Because most of his supporters think it was not a "positive" for them. We agree with Dubya and smile and go on our way. It'll blow their minds. :)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Good idea. We should smile while the 3 fascists take their seats.

And, go happily on our way. It will blow their minds to realize that the Democrats are so easy to bully into submission with threats.

[merh]

18. Because they want all the power. They wanted the nuclear option!

Saying they think the compromise is a good thing is putting their "good" spin on it so it appears that they are not upset that they lost.

Don't kid yourself or let anyone try to tell you otherwise. THEY WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH THE FILIBUSTER.

This compromise scares the shit out of them, they are losing their control of the sheeple. :scared:

[Nite Owl]

19. They got what they want for now

three of their worst ones in and maybe they figure that after the '06 elections their won't be enough dems anyway and there won't be enough to filibuster. They got the machines and bad as it looks for them now they always seem to turn it around by parading out some big lie of the season. I just don't trust them to keep their word on anything.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Why? Just because Bush got exactly what he wanted?

He got his judges. He gets to play the part of "uniter". The nuclear option is still ready to be used at the first whimper our "opposition" party manages to squeek out. That the Dems have displayed their readiness to fold at the first threat.

But, we got...we got...what was it we got?

[spindoctor]

22. You mean....they knew that we knew that they knew and so...

...and McCain and Byrd were in on it all along...all this time they only pretended...

BRILLIANT!

[QC]

24. Would Bush take to the airwaves and say, "I have suffered defeat,

a devastating setback from which I will never recover"? Of course he said it was a win for him. What else do you think he would do? Tell the truth for the first time in his life?