As Deals\Treaties Go Historically, How Do You Rate The Filibuster Deal ???

[WillyT]

A post I saw in another thread compared it to Neville Chamberlain, and "Peace In Our Time."

Made my heart drop.

Anybody have a different comparison?

:shrug:

[PowerToThePeople]

1. Et tu Brute!

We playing nice guy, no big fight. We will get royaly fubar'd again..

[AndyTiedye]

2. Unless There Is Something They're Not Telling Us...

[AuntiBush]

4. Growing weary of the wait.

[rwenos]

3. The Mark of a Good Compromise

is that everyone feels slightly dissatisfied. The Pig freepers are cryin' in their beer.

Feels like the system worked to me. Best we could have hoped for. Frist has egg on his face, and the filibuster lives on, for the big fight ahead on Supreme Court nominees.

[AuntiBush]

5. Sorry. Disagree. Rove/Bush/Frist won-out in the long of it.

And we have 3 + more years of this.

[makhno]

6. This isn't time for compromise

The Republic is fucked when you have people like Owen getting serious consideration from both parties for a lifetime judgeship. Things must be brought to a head now, while dissent - by citizens or political representatives - is still permitted.

And the pig freepers .. I wouldn't trust their political acumen more than I trust their intelligence.

[rwenos]

7. Understand, but . . . 2-3 Supreme Court Justices to Come

This was about the Court, the Supreme Court. The centrist Pub's and Dem's proved THEY can filibuster a deal too. Since I don't particularly want to see Ken Starr or Ted Olson on the Court, I feel like damage control is better right now than ideological purity.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. so basically you think

that ceding all current and future judicial nominations below the SC level is a good deal, based on the hope that the fascist cabal will keep their Word Of Honor and not nuke the fillibuster when the SC shithead nomination comes up?

[rwenos]

12. You Overstate

I didn't say we should cede all the appellate courts below the Supreme Court. I have to practice in front of those assholes! I just think sometimes ya gotta give to get. The fifth circuit will get a fascist judge from Texas. The Ninth Circuit will get Janice Rogers Brown, who is pretty conservative but at least reads the briefs.

Unlike Clarence Thomas, who stares out the window during oral argument.

I believe in the system, 'mon. We can't give it away to the Pugs. If we ever do, it's British Columbia time.

[makhno]

9. It's not so much ideological purity, IMHO

But rather a demonstration, maybe futile, maybe not, that the Republican party has gone too far with its radical agenda by attempting to short-circuit existing constitutional protections. If nothing else, it would have cost the Republican leadership significant political capital to get the required number of votes on the filibuster issue. As an astute poster pointed out elsewhere tonight, if Frist had the votes, we wouldn't be talking about compromise tonight. Thus, a Democrat-driven compromise was unnecessary.

[wiggs]

10. My opinion of the deal goes up if there's more to deal than publicized

If, for instance, dems got those moderate republicans to agree to vote against Brown, at least, then we'd have something.

I have to say, dems shutting down congress because the pugs wanted to change the rules could have been viewed as an admirable position. After all, pug representatives wanted to change ethics rules for DeLay and this was generally unpopular. Further, public polls indicate that getting rid of the fillibuster was not favored. And everybody loves the underdog...

So I think the dem position was stronger than we think, and hopefully they extracted something more worthwhile out of the deal than "We'll not fillibuster this time if you let us keep the fillibuster a while longer and we probably won't use it anyway." At least one of the radical nominees has to go down, then we can say that the dems did their job and opposed unreasonable, unqualified candidates.

Brown is such a bad candidate, like Bolton, that most republicans must be embarrassed to have to defend the adminsitration's pick. So maybe it wouldn't have been so hard to convince 5 or 6 to vote nay. My prediction: Owens gets through, barely, and Brown doesn't make it.

[FrenchieCat]

11. The Louisiana purchase.

The Dems are the French in this one ....

[BillZBubb]

13. Ever heard of the "Bladensburg Races"?

In the War of 1812, the British Army was marching towards Washington. The Maryland militia came out to stop them at Bladensburg. Both sides lined up. The British artillery opened up with a few rounds and the militia turned and started running almost without firing a shot. The Redcoats chased them all the way to Washington and burned the city.

The Democrats were the militia in this case.