Did anyone else hear this? (re:filibuster) The "caveat" by DeWine (R-OH)

[Solly Mack]

He was supposed to have said it during the press conference. I didn't see the press conference. Reading about it at Kos and wondered who else had heard it...

Thanks!



Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH) during the press conference:

"Some of you who are looking at the language may wonder what some of the clauses mean. The understanding is – and we don’t think this will happen – but if an individual senator believes in the future that a filibuster is taking place under something that’s not extraordinary circumstances, we of course reserve the right to do what we could have done tomorrow which is to cast a yes vote for the constitutional option."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/5/23/204634/095

[DireStrike]

1. Oh. So we took it up the ass again.

No big surprise.

[neuvocat]

2. Wow. There's double-talk if I've ever seen it.

[Solly Mack]

6. The press conference was only carried in part here....

So I'm wondering what else was said that I missed.

[Kolesar]

3. That sounds right to me

Note that the dweeb is renaming it "the constitutional option".

[Solly Mack]

5. So he did say that? Or?

[Kolesar]

7. I think so

I didn't Tivo it. I was only halfway watching because he is my Senator.

[Solly Mack]

Okies. Thank you!!!!!!

[AuntiBush]

13. Some say we won. I say "won what?"

Dazed and confused... After calming down (was blown away like all out here earlier) I got to thinking about how this thing played out:

Frist/Bush/Cheney/Rove: Still get Owens & Brown. Owens is really bad news. She's noted as a "Federalist," and staunch anti-Social Security, calling it a "Socilist" program that needs to go. She also had something to do with Enron.

I dunno. Maybe it's me. But, I do not see how we won. On MSNBC 1 of the 14 so-called saviour-team republicans said he'd still vote "yes" for cloture; and Bolton will go through which stunned Chris Matthews "and" Social Security will be reformed (ripped to shreds).

Found it odd that the 7 Dems and 7 Repubs interviews without Boxer, Durbin, Reid and the other (sorry - been a crazy night). And those 4 walked off without barely answering any reporter questions.

Got the feeling they were not happy campers. Bet Biden isn't either.

[Solly Mack]

17. "Bolton will go through"

another deal?

[lonestarnot]

27. We kicked ass on Frist! Fucker is gasping his last breath...that's what

we won!

[AuntiBush]

34. Give it a few days and rethink.

[aquart]

4. That's what I thought.

We gave them their fascist judges without a fight, and they pull this same shit tomorrow. NOTHING is settled. NOTHING is over. They still think they can do it.

We should have made them show the country what they are. But we blinked. Thanks, Joe Lieberman, you fucking sondercommando.

[Kolesar]

9. We bought time

If only we could turn the discussion back to Iraq.

[ultraist]

8. Feingold is disappointed as per a KOS post

Feingold, "...unacceptable judicial nominations is simply a green light for the Bush administration to send more nominees who lack the judicial temperament or record to serve in these lifetime positions."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3715597


My first reaction was this was a sell out. It's looking more and more to be just that.

[Solly Mack]

12. DeWine's comments added to my ah...unease

I read that about Feingold while at Kos.

[Pachamama]

10. I didn't need Dewine to explain that to me! It's very clear that the GOP

still has their nuclear option...if you ask me what was resolved today, the GOP like a big bully on the playground basically told the Dems that they promise not to kick their ass if they give them their lunch money and not in the future as long as they continue giving their lunch money in the form of the judicial nominees....And anytime the Dems stop giving the lunch money (aka threatening to filibuster a judicial nominee) then they will kick our asses again....

The Dems lost big...which really means the American public and its citizens just lost....

[Solly Mack]

Extortion was the word that came to mind, yes

[SmokingJacket]

11. Yep.

This agreement is about a bunch of of senators wanting to avoid a showdown.

We can filibuster later; but if we do, they can go nuclear later.

Nothing has changed, except that they got their judges, and for now, the sky hasn't totally fallen in on us.

I'm angry, because I believe if it had come to a showdown, Frist would have lost OUTRIGHT.

[Richard Steele]

14. Double "YEP", SmokingJacket. We gained NOTHING from this.

[AuntiBush]

15. Outraged, too. Agreed.

We got screwed - bigtime.

[ultraist]

16. That was my feeling too

"if it had come to a showdown, Frist would have lost OUTRIGHT."

And, he would have suffered a backlash. NOW, we will not have any backlash. Just another quiet swing to the right. :scared:

[Solly Mack]

18. That's how I read it

[FrenchieCat]

21. Me too....

Those who are jumping up and down saying that the Republic was saved have been watching too much Star Wars.

Dart Vader is alive and well and laughing.....

To me, this wasn't Star Wars...this was "Let's make a Deal". Yeah, we won. The Booby Prize.

[Solly Mack]

25. I don't trust the GOP...and when they talk about unity and bipartisanship

my hiney draws up :) I know TMI

[TahitiNut]

35. Yep. Reich got their Reichbot judges. Dems got bupkis.

Total capitulation.

[wisteria]

19. I don't think there would be a vote to take up the nuclear option

again, anytime soon.The nuclear option has imploded.We won't see it rear it ugly head again any time soon. This statement just places the option on the table again if it appears we dems try to over use the filibuster tactic as we have a bit in the past. IMO, many of the senators, including many republicans secretly did not want to have to vote on this option. They are relived.

[Solly Mack]

23. I hope you're correct

[reality based]

20. I wouldn't count on his vote

but perhaps he was speaking to the Christo-fascists back home.

[Solly Mack]

24. Could be he was posturing for the folks back home

but he is a Republican...and so far, honest dealing hasn't been their strong suit. So it bears watching

[Guaranteed]

22. Sorry, bud, that's not what you signed. You said THEY had

the discretion.

And WE need to pushing that, and making sure that THAT FACT is well known.

I don't wanna hear any Democrats agreeing with HIM.

[me b zola]

26. i didn't need to hear DeWine's statement

I already knew that this is the shit that they would pull, that is why I did not support 'the compromise'.

Would someone please tell me, if we put another candidate up against LIEberman or Nelson, and we lost to a rethug, what have we really lost? These bastids are all we need to tear our Nation (let alone our party) into shreds. I'm ready for the flames. What would we lose????

[Solly Mack]

28. The "extraordinary circumstances" triggered my alarm bells

my first thought was...but what if the GOP disagrees...does it start all over again?...and according to DeWine, it does.

[ultraist]

30. Technically, they cannot threaten the nuke option again, this session

for any JUDICIAL appointments. They can however, contest a filibuster by stating it's not an "extraordinary circumstance." What happens if a few signatories claim it's not "extraordinary?" Whatever that means.

According to their deal:

In the light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement, we commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress, which we understand to be any amendment to or interpretation of the Rules of the Senate that would force a vote for a judicial nomination by means other than unanimous consent or Rule XXII.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/TheDeal.pdf

Other red flags: Lieberman and Landrieu were involved in cutting this deal. Our favorite centrists. :eyes:

[Solly Mack]

31. I read that and wondered what part would be the "loop hole"

I have a wait and see attitude....but I'm not surprised by DeWine's comments...and I wouldn't be surprised if someone decided "extraordinary circumstances" had not been met in the event of a future filibuster

[me b zola]

32. same alarm went off here

so when it comes time to SC nominations, are we to believe that the repukes are not going to whip out the nuke on us????? Of course they will. they have shown us that they are nothing more than minions for KKKarl & the con's evil agenda, and they will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

I grieve for our country, I mourn for what is being done in our name, I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!!

[Solly Mack]

33. Exactly. I don't trust the GOP. They may play pretty a while

but eventually, they'll use this against the Democrats...and furthermore, claim the Democrats were the ones that went back on the deal.

[me b zola]

36. Ah, yes...the gop m.o.

accuse those who would oppose them of all of the evil deeds that they themselves are guilty of. After they have beat their opponent to a pulp, when their opponent finally strikes back, draw attention to the opponent who is defending themselves & make them look as though they are the aggressors.

I swear, this has been stated before by other DUers, but the rethugs really do act like classical abusers.

[Solly Mack]

29. kick....for the late nighters

[Solly Mack]

37. Frist comment (echoing DeWine)

"There were varying interpretations of how Monday's agreement might restrict lawmakers during what is anticipated to be a drawn-out battle.

Democrats viewed the pact as containing an understanding that would forbid Republicans from trying to vanquish the filibuster in such an instance, while Republicans asserted that they could still move to change the rules if Democrats violated the agreement.


Frist portrayed the agreement as a positive step, but noted that it did not meet his requirement that all judicial nominees receive up-or-down votes. Frist indicated that "bad faith and bad behavior" would force him to bring back the filibuster debate."


http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5419449.html

[ultraist]

38. "bad faith and bad behavior" That pretty much says it

Frist indicated that "bad faith and bad behavior" would force him to bring back the filibuster debate."

If Frist doesn't like the behavior and deems it "bad," he'll start the threats again. Slimey bastards.

The first one who invokes "extraordinary circumstance" will be accused of being "bad." :nuke:

[Solly Mack]

39. That's exactly what concerns me