Filibuster winners and losers

[yankeedem]

WINNERS

Harry Reid--- won the publicity war tonight by rushing to the press and praising this deal, while painting Frist as radical (he said the word tonight).

John McCain--- Sticks it up * ass without really hurting the party's goal of putting fascists on the bench. Looks to middle America like a centrist, despite voting in lockstep with the neocon agenda.

Lindsay Graham--- See above

LOSERS

Bill Frist---- Looks neutered to his base, and when I say base, I mean Dobson. Loses points in the White House by not being able to keep McCain in line.

America--- Fascist judges march to the federal bench without a whimper- unless the pukes have agreed to vote down these judges--- and who really believes that will happen?

Centrist Democrats--- By agreeing not to support filibusters, the bar has moved right as far as "extraordinary circumstances". The question is where has the bar moved to? Ultimately, the pukes will hold the cards.

Part of me wants to say that if Frist, Freepers and Insanity are mad, we must have won. Sorry, can't get behind that unless the puke "moderates" vote against Brown and Owen.

[Jack Rabbit]

1. That's about it

Frankly, I didn't see this as an easy one for the Democrats to win. With extremist judges going to the bench (or so it appears right now), I can't join any celebration.

[jfw9999]

2. I must agree

When this filibuster brouhaha first began - I signed Evey god dam petition I could find - but later as I began to think about this thing. I decided to let the Repubs hang on their own petard!

The Dems have nothing to lose by allowing the the Repubs to take over the whole show -- they have it anyway. The supreme court is a different matter - but if FUCKING LIEBERMAN had not driven this bargain "in good faith" with the repubs, than all would have been fair in the upcoming Supreme Court choices.

I think the Democrats have caved once again. We do not need compromise with what is going on now.

[DURHAM D]

10. I thought it was hoist with one's own petard.

Just kidding - I knew what you meant. I don't see tonight's event in the same way you do - we simply don't have the cards (votes) to play this out any other way and frankly, I think the repugs and WH wanted to get this off the playing field. It is not (Frist and repugs) playing well in middle America.

[jfw9999]

11. actually it's more like blown up by one's own petard.. but

As I think William Pitt suggested - It is simply kicking the can down the road to not deal with this now.

Ironically both the family leadership council and Fiengold of Wisconsin were against it. The showdown has been put off for another day.

Cannot Ginsberg and Souter hold out until the next election? If their health is OK perhaps it would be best to let the Repubs do their worst deeds to expose them. If we do not get a major change in leadership the next time around beginning in 06 - there will be little point to defending against the barbarians anyway.

[Gothmog]

3. This is a compromise but I think that the Democrats won

This is a true compromise but I think that the democrats came out ahead. There was a significant chance that we would lose the right to all filibusters in the future. That has been preserved for supreme court justices in particular.

[lancdem]

5. I second that

It'll be interesting to see if some of these RW judges lose an up or down vote.

[jfw9999]

6. But the point is that

The Democrats must win this whole shebang back if we are a viable country (much less a Porty) in the next election. Then this whole thing will backfire on the repukes.

[AnnInLa]

8. I think we win, because puke mods

have tried to take back their party tonight with this alliance with the Dems. Lindsey Graham as much as said this centrist-bipartisan group will now control the Senate. If we are truly concerned about the extremist-RWers taking over the gov't, to see the senate become more moderate can't be a bad thing. We ain't gonna get a Progressive House/Senate all in one swoop...baby steps, baby steps.

Anything that damages frist's chances for the puke nomination is a good thing.

[yankeedem]

9. Diebold notwithstanding Frist is UNELECTABLE

so destroying his chances doesn't really help our chances, imo.

[salib]

4. BS, BS, BS, BS!!!

WE DID NOT WIN!!!!!!

What did WE win as Democrats?

[PowerToThePeople]

7. I love Barbara