Stripped Down, Basic, Quick Poll On GD Sentiment About "The Deal"

[DistressedAmerican]

Do you approve or do you not approve?

[nankerphelge]

1. they caved

[arcos]

2. But most DUers think the Dems won, though...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1803753

[DistressedAmerican]

4. GD Thinks We Lost But GDP Thinks We Won! Interesting!

and counting of course!

[Telly Savalas]

41. And the Lounge sits on the fence and has another beer.

[seriousstan]

5. 12 votes is "most"? I always thought there were more people here.

[arcos]

9. well, for now at least... usually these trends tend to keep up... nt

[DistressedAmerican]

12. I've noticed that as well. Unless passionate lobbying turns the tide!

[arcos]

14. Now it seems to be getting closer!

:popcorn:

[me b zola]

3. We will rubber stamp Owens & Brown

..in return for the rethugs "word" that they will not nuke us in the future....BULLSHIT!!!

The rethugs have already shown that they cannot be trusted, I'd put up our retirement $$ to say that they will nuke us when it comes time for Supreme Court nominations.

[KittyWampus]

11. The Moderate GOPers Just Flexed Their Muscles.

[Eloriel]

16. That's the only ray of sunshine -- kinda

These Senators created something of a counterweight to the radical rightwing, and that's good. Maybe they can get enough attention AND traction to drag the Senate back into some semblance of sanity. In any case, it'll be interesting to watch what, if anything, they do from here.

Otherwise, tho, I have a heavy heart. Seems like we're never, ever, EVER "winning" anything fully and completely.

[Pushed To The Left]

20. We need to let them know

they did the right thing! Whether it be a Democrat or a moderate Republican doing it, a bitch-slap to the religious right is always a good thing! Now, if we could get them to vote "No" on those 3 judges....

[AndyTiedye]

21. What is "Moderate" About Owens and Brown?????

I'll believe there is such a thing as a moderate Republican in DC
when I see them voting against these Neanderthols.

Now if they get their "up and down vote" and get VOTED DOWN,
that would Change Everything!

[GetTheRightVote]

6. I wish they would have not let up on them, the Repubs are destoring our

nation and right to it

:kick:

[Gothmog]

7. Compromise means noone is happy

This is a good compromise in that noone is happy. We gave up something but we got a great deal.

[Straight Shooter]

35. Yes, but they're unhappier than we are. So, in fact, we won. Right?

:P

[48pan]

8. I'm Disappointed

The Republicans would have been shown for the fascists they are. Too bad.

[NWHarkness]

10. This is a victory for us

Think of the big picture, people. We have to swallow a couple more right wing judges, and in return, we drive a tremendous wedge right through the heart of the GOP coalition.

[saracat]

15. What if they end up on Scotus? That was the point after all!

If we have lost on the Scotus point we are finished. THAT is the big picture.

[Massacure]

25. They won't end up on the Supreme court.

Not in Bush's term anyways.

Republicans already shot themselves in the foot with social security, and now this. The good thing is that they can still shoot themselves in the foot with this again later down the road.

How many federal judges are there? I don't think three will make much difference in the scheme of things. We can counteract conservative judges in a couple of years.

[merh]

13. 3 of 8 instead of 6 of 8 - who caved?

Okay, so they gave 'em 3 of 8 - seems like pukes lost!

"Negotiators are hoping to craft a deal that would allow some nominees to be confirmed while leaving others behind. One plan would allow final votes on Owen, California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown and former Alabama Attorney General William H. Pryor, as well as Michigan nominees Susan Neilson, Richard Griffin and David McKeague. The nominations of William G. Myers and Henry Saad would remain stuck."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050520/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight

Part of Deal
Owen
Brown
Pryor

Not part of deal
Neilson
Griffin
McKeague
Myers
Saad

[saltpoint]

17. There may be more info slipped out in the next day or two.

For now, the impact on Frist's political future -- and maybe McCain's -- and certainly ours -- is significant.

I voted 'approve,' conditionally.

[bklyncowgirl]

18. I'd approve except for the fact that you can't trust those bastards.

Sure they seem pissed but anyone who accepts the Republicans word on anything is bound to be disappointed.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. How is this a compromise?

Tomorrow, if the "extreme circumstances" option is raised, Frist can always rally his minions for another go at the nuclear option. The only reason that the Republicans cut this deal was to make their party look like moderates. They were falling out of favor with the American public for trying to bully through their program. The majority of Americans are getting scared of the idea of a one-party system. This is going to be spun as a desire of Republicans to compromise and moderate their extremism, without moderating or compromising anything. The Republicans haven't given up anything and Owens, Brown, Pryor and Bolton are going to get rammed down our throats.

This is like Hitler taking Czechoslovakia, telling Chamberlain he would stop his plans for total dominion after this one single "...compromise...".

[DistressedAmerican]

22. The Same Kind Of Language That Let Us Claim We Had UN Approval

for Iraq. While The rest of the world could claim that they never authorized a thing. Hey! Everyone can agree to that!!!

[Massacure]

27. They would shoot themselves in the foot trying to pull it again.

The war in Iraq is going against them.
The economy is against them.
Social Security is against them.
The sane ones probably don't want to get painted as liars on top of it.

[Blue_In_AK]

34. It doesn't make the Republicans look any more moderate

than the Democrats. Remember, this was a BIPARTISAN compromise, not necessarily a bad thing.

[MisterP]

23. nay (hey, I was the 100th!)

[bemildred]

24. There is no deal.

The filibuster remains.
It remains the prerogative of the individual senator.
Any questions?

[graywarrior]

26. Hey, they all get to keep their benefits and paychecks

They all won...as for us, we'll see.

[DistressedAmerican]

28. Truest Thing I Have read All Night!

[Peachhead22]

29. I'm presently on the fence...

...I need to hear more of the details. Not really the reported details, but the deeper, perhaps unwritten details.

-Dobson is pissed. That's a very good indicator.

-Frist's Presidential ambitions just got waay more complicated. A good thing.

-Lindsey Graham is indicating one of the three judges won't pass an up or down vote. A really good thing. Plus it'll piss off Rove and Shrub and further piss off Frist and Dobson.

-If we pushed it and lost we'd have been royally screwed. The current nominees would look like moderates compaired to the clowns Bush could have shuffled through.

-The reported language sounds alot like "you can keep the filibuster only if you don't use it". Not good. "Extraordinary circumstances" could mean a million things or it could mean 'under no circumstances'. I'm hoping to hear more detail in the coming days.

-Shrub himself is gonna probably try to screw up the deal soon by nominating someone really off the wall. He'll try to get a rise out of the Dems. It'll be illuminating to see how the 'Pubs in Congress react.

-That the nuclear option wasn't totally and permanently taken off the table is by far the worst part of it IMO. I suppose it's unrealistic to hope that nixing the nuke option was kinda one of those unwritten things.

[last_texas_dem]

30. I'd probably have to go with "disapprove"

As a compromise, I think this one wasn't horrible. My problem is part of me thinks this was an issue we shouldn't have compromised on in the first place. Like Social Security. I guess I would rather have seen the Democrats stand on principle and lose than compromise in this situation, because I felt like what happened amounted to the Repugs trying to do something totally unprecedented and extreme and the Dems offerring them a number of concessions to calm them down.

[foreigncorrespondent]

31. Anything that makes...

...religious wacko cry defeat is worth it.

See this thread for more details: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3714881

[graywarrior]

32. Didn't someone once announce to the world he was a uniter?

Who was that?

[Blue_In_AK]

33. Fence-sitting for the moment,

although I think the "deal" is better than the alternative "nuclear option." I like that more moderate Republicans were able to take Frist down a notch or two.

[johnaries]

36. Fence sitting - I don't think it was a good deal, but I'll wait and

see what the spin works out. Since the worst 3 are getting the nod, I'm assuming the Dems thought Frist had the votes - so maybe it is a good deal.

[chlamor]

37. Get On The Offensive!

Heading in the Wrong Direction- The Deal Sucks but too many are satisfied with crumbs.

[eyepaddle]

38. The F'ing cowardly rat bastard shits of Democrats caved one more goddamn

time.

I however will behave as if I think we won. It is now time to go on "Operation Confuse." Plus if we say it enough people might start believing it.

[nittygritty]

39. This compromise

is just a temporary straw dam to hold back the flood of Bush nominations pressing against it: all the repugs have to do is give it a swift kick.

It would have been better in the long run for the Dems to not compromise, thus expediting a blatant example for the masses of the encroaching fascist takeover and lack of respect for the Constitution. All the Dems had to do was shut down Congress for an instant media blitz.

Now all they've done is slow the bleeding for a minute...

[6000eliot]

40. Because we were facing such popular opposition on such a hugely

popular decision. I think the centrist Dems let the Repukes off the hook.

[DistressedAmerican]

42. Kick!

[Califooyah Operative]

43. i'm confused; is it approve/dis. of 'the deal' or of sentiment abou the de

al?

[DistressedAmerican]

44. The Deal Itself...

[Piperay]

45. Disapprove nt

:mad:

[DistressedAmerican]

46. ...