Hhmmm, according to this AP article, the Dems give up . . .

[TaleWgnDg]

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Hhmmm, according to this AP article, the Dems will give up 3 judicial nominees that the Dems have opposed for months and for years; that is, Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown, and William Pryor. And, the Dems are to retain total discretion to use the filibuster down the road. In exchange, the Repubs promise not to change the rules to disallow a filibuster.

Hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Who won? 3 radical off-the-wall federal appellate court judicial nominees in exchange for retaining the filibuster in a discretionary manner?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Filibuster-Fight.html?hp&ex=1116907200&en=5f454e05fdcd1189&ei=5094&partner=homepage







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[still_one]

1. I think it is a win for the repukes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/filibuster_fight

Under the terms, Democrats agreed to allow final confirmation votes for Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor, named to appeals court seats. There is "no commitment to vote for or against" the filibuster against two other conservatives named to the appeals court, Henry Saad and William Myers.

The agreement said future nominees to the appeals court and Supreme Court should "only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances," with each Democrat senator holding the discretion to decide when those conditions had been met.

"In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement," Republicans said they would oppose any attempt to make changes in the application of filibuster rules.

Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., swiftly noted he had not been a party to the deal, which fell short of his stated goal of winning yes-or-no votes on each of Bush's nominees. "It has some good news and it has some disappointing news and it will require careful monitoring," he said,

[TaleWgnDg]

2. As I said . . . from this AP article . . .

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As I said . . . from this AP article . . . quid pro quo:

The Dems get to retain the filibuster in a discretionary manner down the road, in exchange the Repubs get 3 off-the-wall federal appellate judicial nominees, namely, Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor. Period.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Filibuster-Fight.html?hp&ex=1116907200&en=5f454e05fdcd1189&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[still_one]

4. agreed, we should have called their bluffs

[JDPriestly]

3. Democrats lost.

It makes a few "moderate" Democrats feel holier than thou and secure in their comfortable positions. It makes it look like the Democrats weren't fighting for anything important. And it makes it look like the Republicans are willing to compromise. Meanwhile, Janice Rogers Brown is on her way to the U.S. Supreme Court where she will do the corporations' bidding -- to Hell with ordinary American people. This is a sad day for the United States. The only thing left is to pray that God protect these United States from the neo-con scourge.

[Zen Democrat]

6. Janice Brown isn't going to the Supreme Court. No way.

And by the way -- the deal is that there will be a vote on Owens, Brown and Pryor. There will still be debate and some of the less right-wing Republicans will probably vote against one or more of them. They'll probably get in, but Owens and Pryor will be put on courts already 100% right-wing. They won't be making anything worse than it already is.

Frist is pissed about this -- and that gives me some happiness. This is a win for McCain and a loss for Frist.

[BeatleBoot]

12. And the repukes gain some ground by distancing themselves

from the Rel Right

[TaleWgnDg]

16. Yes, I doubt whether Janice Rogers Brown is going to the . . .

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Yes, I doubt whether Janice Rogers Brown is going to the . . . U.S. Supreme Court down the road. She would be filibustered up the ying-yang. Rightfully and justly so too. She's nuts. Totally, nuts. As are the other two off-the-wall idiots that were given up by the Dems, namely Owens and Pryor.




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edited to include "Rogers" in Janice Rogers Brown.

[Mass]

5. Well

Six Democrats betrayed us. I guess it is time to act against them. We will know their names tomorrow when the filibuster happens.

But there is still a chance that Frist will derail that as he does not want a compromise. He needs the nuclear option.

[Zen Democrat]

8. Lindsay Graham saying "the dirty little secret" is that some of these

nominees won't get Republican votes.

[Mass]

9. Which ones?

Owen, Pryor, and Brown are extremists. Are there going to be voted or not.

[kcwayne]

17. We will see

I listened to some Republican senator state that John Bolton was exactly the wrong type of person to appoint as Ambassador to the UN. And in the next sentence he stated he was going to vote to confirm him.

These people are in the mafia, they will not stand on their own principles, they do the don's bidding.

[TaleWgnDg]

19. As you know, Frist is running for president . . .

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As you know, Frist is running for president . . . through all of this. He is using the Senate for political campaign purposes of religion-into-law. Off the backs of a captured audience -- the U.S. Senate. And all of America.

Frist has cemented himself into this mold. He cannot back down. As such, he's got nothing to lose. Frist will continue to rant about "an up or down vote" by the majority for lifetime appointments to the federal judicial bench.

So goes the politics of the crazies.




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[tsuki]

7. A win for the Republicans, a loss for Frist.

[merh]

10. They wanted 10 judges that were extremist.

3 out of 10 - you figure the odds.

Geeze don't you folks follow anyting?

[Mass]

13. No, more than that

And those three are the ones that Bush wanted the most because they are the most extremists.

Reid had already accepted most of the others in previous proposals.

[merh]

14. But there are about 8 or 10 that were really extreme that were not

accepted. These 3 are the most extreme, but there were others not yet accepted. I think Salon had an article on it last week.

[merh]

18. 3 out of 8 - damn what are those odds?

Okay, so they gave 'em 3 of 8 - seems like pukes lost!

"Negotiators are hoping to craft a deal that would allow some nominees to be confirmed while leaving others behind. One plan would allow final votes on Owen, California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown and former Alabama Attorney General William H. Pryor, as well as Michigan nominees Susan Neilson, Richard Griffin and David McKeague. The nominations of William G. Myers and Henry Saad would remain stuck."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050520/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight

Part of Deal
Owen
Brown
Pryor

Not part of deal
Neilson
Griffin
McKeague
Myers
Saad

[Mass]

20. Wrong it is 3 of 5 - Read the statement Reid made on May 18 when

Frist started the debate on Owen - Griffin, McKeague, and Nielson are not controversial.

REID:
Mr. President, I would ask the distinguished majority leader would we not be better off moving to
get rid of--I don't mean that in a pejorative sense--but clear the calendar of four, at this stage, noncontroversial judges ? We could move to Thomas Griffith, who is on the calendar. We could move to discharge and consider the Michigan Circuit Court nominees, Griffin, McKeague, and Neilson.

[merh]

22. looks like 5 are stuck - 3 approved to me!

as well as Michigan nominees Susan Neilson, Richard Griffin and David McKeague. The nominations of William G. Myers and Henry Saad would remain stuck."

[Mass]

25. NO

As Reid says in his statement, he did not intend to start a filibuster on the three Michigan ones anyway. They were just stuck by Frist in order to say 8 rather than 5.

So the two only ones that are blocked are Myers and Saad.

[merh]

27. Well we shall see won't we.

They weren't part of the deal, the compromise, were they? Yet, last week they were part of the deal.

Hmmm, time will tell, now won't it. Half full I say, half full.

No need to yell, we can agree to disagree.

peace :hi:

[TaleWgnDg]

21. Exactly . . . that is, IF this supposed agreement holds . . .

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Exactly . . . that is, IF this supposed agreement holds . . .






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[merh]

23. I like your donkey's shirt!

:hi:

[TaleWgnDg]

26. thanks, hee-haw. (I couldn't resist) n/t

[Al-CIAda]

11. We are left holding our collective "ick in our hands.

What a scream, worthless.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I thought Owen (or Owan?) was just let through??

[Quixote1818]

24. The Deal just saved Roe vs. Wade

If we had lost the Filibuster then down the road we could have lost on Abortion. Dem's knew what they were doing. I am happy with the outcome.