Explain. Please. WHO gets to decide what an "extreme circumstance" is?

[in_cog_ni_to]

Do you really believe it will be the Democrats? Not likely! WHO WILL DECIDE THAT LITTLE STICKING POINT?

[LSparkle]

1. Thank you -- my point EXACTLY!

[xray s]

2. The American public...

...if we can get them to pay attention

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. I don't think so.

This will be a decision on whether or not to filibuster under an "extreme circumstance". WHO will make the decision of WHAT is an extreme circumstance? I don't believe it will be the Democrats since they are the MINORITY.

[xray s]

8. You don't think so?

Why not? isn't it the job of the Democrats to point out to Americans how exteme these judges are? Who else is going to do it?

And if the truth gets out, and public opinion turns very negative about these judges, do you think the seven Republicans that just punk'd Frist won't stand up and take notice and vote against these judges to pull thier party back from the brink?

This is how you WIN big and decisively. I am tired of trying to win on techicalities.

Lets focus on kicking their ass. Lord knows they have given us all the ammo we need.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. And all that has to happen

is a republican Senator stand up and say they don't agree and then it's over. No more voice for us. It's over people.

[mourningdove92]

3. Each individual Senator.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Durbin says it's extreme, Frist says is isn't.

Who wins that battle?

[DemocracyInaction]

6. Oh for christ's sake learn a little politics 101

When Bush starts sending up the first wacko for the Supreme Court, WE will label it an 'extreme case'. We will go on every tv show and do the double talk about how this is the worse ever and drag out every fart the guy/gal ever cut. The repukes will yell "foul". We will insist it meets the definition of "extreme" and go ahead with the filabuster. That's why there isn't a committee or law or shit put in place to define "extreme". It will be in the eye of the Dem beholders and they will make America think the nominee is Hitler in disguise. And, who knows, now that Bush knows that (he's no political moron)he might even send up someone who isn't a total wacko. You can't expect him to send up a liberal. That's life. Deal with it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Like we did with Priscilla Owen and

Janice Rogers Brown?

WE will label it an 'extreme case'. We will go on every tv show and do the double talk about how this is the worse ever and drag out every fart the guy/gal ever cut.

yeah, that worked well. :eyes:

[mzmolly]

7. DEMOCRATS, according to the AP.

The agreement said future nominees to the appeals court and Supreme Court should "only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances," with each Democrat senator holding the discretion to decide when those conditions had been met.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. then the repukes have no say in that decision?

Have we read the fine print on this? I find it hard to believe the repukes would sign onto that.

[mzmolly]

10. NO say what so ever.

PHEW!

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. GOOD! That's a HUGE relief!

Thanks! :hi:

[mzmolly]

19. Hey, it was the first thing I considered!

:hi:

[Just Me]

17. The radical right-wing got bitch slapped today!!!!

NA NA NA BOO BOO!!! :cry: Poor barbaric bullies. :cry:

[ultraist]

23. "We will try to do everything in our power to prevent fillibusters..."

"We will try to do everything in our power to prevent filibusters in the future," McCain said.

http://www.cnn.com/

It's a new limitation on fillibusters and at least three radical judges. Will radical judges be acceptable to the Dems for any other judicial appointments? A SCOTUS Justice who would put limitations on Roe or other conservative rulings? How low/right will they go?

[mzmolly]

27. Let them try, as if they weren't trying all along. Fact is we still

retain the right. McCain's statement is nothing more than damage control and puffery.

There is no new limitation, it remains at the complete discretion of Dems. And thank your lucky stars those judges are not on the federal courts.

Do you realize the R's only needed 51 votes to end our filibuster option and this overturn Roe V Wade among other things? People don't appear to realize how close we were to losing ANY power we had to effect the courts.

[ultraist]

33. Point well taken

We do retain the right but there is a new bar set, "extreme circumstances" and we essentially have a precedent set with Owens, et al.

Perhaps I was being overly optimistic in hoping the Dems would go balls to the walls and let the radical extremists try to end the filibuster via a vote. I thought they would lose and look like fools.

I'm just not sure how much power these three judges will have or how much power was lost in setting a new bar for filibusters.

If I knew more about the power the judges will have, I may feel better about today's compromise. I'll have to look into it!

I'm also concerned that the Dems have stepped further to the right, AGAIN, and may compromise on a SCOTUS appointment.

[mzmolly]

34. The good news is we decide what the "extreme circumstances"

are, and frankly that was always supposed to be the bar.

Thanks for your open mindedness.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Any senator can

If a democrat considers something "extreme" and wants to filibuster all a republican has to do is stand up and disagree. Then it's over. Some deal huh? We were sold out!

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. You're kidding? Is that true???? Hello!!!! Someone, anyone?

Is that true?

[mzmolly]

24. No.

It's ridiculous.

[Just Me]

20. WRONG WRONG WRONG! STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!

Pull outta' yer panic!!!!

[KittyWampus]

15. Read The Damn Document

Future Nominations. Signatories will exercise their responsibilities under the Advice and Consent Clause of the United States Constitution in good faith. Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. I didn't know the damn document was posted here.

Damn. Chill the fuck out.

[yankeedem]

21. Which means

that next time the Democrats try to filibuster, citing "extraordinary circumstances", the pukes will accuse them of violating the spirit of the agreement and we're back where we started.


Oh, and with 3 more fascists in the court already.

Come on, how many times do you have to see this movie before you can figure out the end of this? Or do you trust Impeachment Manager Graham?

[mzmolly]

26. "The spirit of the agreement?"

:eyes: The spirit of the agreement states it's at OUR discretion.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. I don't know what to believe now.

If the repukes decide it's not in the spirit of the agreement they can use the Nuclear Option again? Or threaten to?

[yankeedem]

31. You got it

and since they control the talking points in the press, it's bend over democrats (and America)

Do you guys REALLY think that these Republicans can be trusted? Some threats from * and Rove and they'll sell out their mothers, never mind Democrats.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Never, ever, ever trust a repuke. EVER! n/t

[many a good man]

22. The bar has been set with Owen, Brown, and Pryor

Nominees have to be WORSE THAN these judges to merit a filibuster.

Gulp!

[ultraist]

29. Ah, FUCK!

You are so right. They will cite Owens, Brown and Pryor as the precedent. I can hear it now: Well, they weren't extreme enough to warrant use of the fillibuster. Dems agreed NOT to fillibuster those judges, so our slightly less radical and conservative SCOTUS nominee should NOT be fillibustered. This nominee would put severe limitations on Roe, yes, but they wouldn't completely overturn it, which makes them less conservative than Owens, et al. :eyes:

I don't think three radical extremist conservative judges are anything to celebrate over.

[JanMichael]

25. Oh stop it! Those masters of their domain have it under complete control.

It's politics 101 or 105 or 302 I forget but they are so much smarter than us.

Don't fret, it's all under control, they've saved the day and slayed Fristzilla all in one fell swoop (there it is!).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. You'll be able to tell by the (R) behind their names.

If our bold "leaders" should dare to whimper a protest to seating fascists.