What kind of a "win" is this if owen gets in?:

[The_Casual_Observer]

The point of all of this was to protect the public from owen. It wasn't about anything else until those bastards changed the terms of the debate. Now, for some reason everybody seems to be happy that they have "given" us something less than we already had, and owen gets in. To my way of thinking we have been steamrolled again.

[emulatorloo]

1. Lindsey Graham is hinting that Mod Repugs will not vote YES

in and up-and-down vote.

see this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This one too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[merwin]

2. No, if we had filibustered, the rules would have been changed and

they would have gotten through. We can slow down the senate in the process, but in the end all of them would get through by eliminating the filibuster.

[mzmolly]

3. Owen was not the only issue. It was a potential lasting change to our

Constitutional right to filibuster. That move could have effected the USSC. Owens is an appeals judge, she won't be sitting on the Supreme Court.

[MichiganVote]

4. This conflict never was about one or more single judges

It was another attempt by the Bush regime to manipulate the Senate into a splintered group who acquiesce their power to the executive branch.

[seaglass]

5. If the 5th Circuit is overwhelmingly conservative already, it

doesn't really matter - except as a bargaining chip for the Dems.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Rationalize the thing all you want, it was all about owen until

about an hour ago.

[seaglass]

12. Yep, that's what you thought. n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. Oh, that's right, there's a bicycle under that pile of shit!

[Gothmog]

6. The Fifth Cir. is so conservative that this does not matter

I practice in the fifth Circuit. The Fifth Cir. is so conservative now that Owen really does not matter. She is no worse than many of the existing justices on the Fifth Cir. Getting Owen of the Texas supreme court may be of some benefit. She and Nathan Hecht were an effective team in getting some conservative decisions through.

[seaglass]

10. I heard the same. Do you know about the other nominees

and the make-up of the courts they are up for?

I understand the 6th and 9th are most liberal leaning?

[dicknbush]

16. BUSH WANTS OWENS ON THE SUPREME COURT ANS SHE HAS TO GET BY THIS ONE FIRST

IMHO!

[Cocoa]

7. Owen will sit on a 3-judge panel

as bad as she is, this is not the end of the world. The other two judges will keep her in check.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. I hear that they are all far right, so what the hell?

From the sound of all the responses nobody gave a fuck about owen all along. Bullshit.

[seaglass]

14. So what if she was a bargaining tool for keeping Saad off the

Sixth Circuit - things are not always what they seem.

[BigBearJohn]

8. and what would have happened if he got enuf repug senators to block?

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. We will never know now will we? all we know is that they can

pack the courts with rw maniacs. Some win.

[dicknbush]

13. At the end of the day the Dems blinked..IMHO

The dems were blackmailed on this and they had two choices get balls and let the Repubs blow up the Senate (Metaphorically speaking Mr FBI man) and then just SHUT THE PLACE DOWN! Use every procedural trick in the book to make the Senate irrelavenat for it would be anyway. Lieberman plays the peacemaker but in reality he is just a pussy and just wants to go along to get along. I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE SHUT THE MOTHER DOWN!

The second choice was to KIss Frists Butt and the dems took the easy way out by choosing to kiss Frists BUTT! What a bunch of pussies!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. The same kind of "win" that Custer got at the Little Bighorn.

Despite all the spin, the Dems sold out..again. There is nothing to prevent the repugs from resurrecting the nuclear option again at the first sign of a whimper from our heroic "leaders". Which is an unlikely event.