Are we losing Iraq?

[Pepperbelly]

Just wondering. Today, at lunch, I saw a headline in the Arkansas Demo-Gaz that drew my attention and as I looked at the story, it said that 7 Iraqi brigades were battling insurgents near Abu Ghraib while the Americans supported them by trying to secure the corridor to the airport.

Do we not even control Bagdhad?

It's been two years. Is there any part of that country secured? If not, friends, they really need to take a hard, hard look at the writing on the wall. Will the generals have the courage to do that? We could easily lose 50K trying to put butter up that wildcat's ass with a hot knife.

[deutsey]

1. Bush would not have gone to Baghdad and served up that plastic

turkey to our troops if the city wasn't secure.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

2. seems to me we have lost it already--just need to admit before

more people die -on both sides and in the middle-the people.

[Disturbed]

6. It doesn't matter .

The U.S. troops will stay in Iraq indefinetly, no matter how many are kill &/or maimed or how many Iraqis die &/or are maimed.

Bush Junta Iraq Successes

.Saddam will no longer sell Iraqi oil via the Euro.

.A military foothold in the ME.

.No countries will be able to buy Iraqi oil that the U.S. disapproves of.

.The Multi-Intl. Oil Corps are reaping great profits, esp. Bush Junta fave ally Saudi Dicktatorshit.

.A scared and compliant U.S. population.

.The start of destroying social programs in Amerika and the destruction of the Middle Class.

[leftchick]

7. he was at the Base at the Airport.

A Huge difference from downtown Baghdad. And he was only there for a very short time.

[deutsey]

11. I was being sarcastic...

[Shoeempress]

3. Not losing it, it's long gone. Try and put the genie back in the bottle.

[leftchick]

4. Juan Cole and others have said over and over the US controls NOTHING

but their bases. The Airport road STILL is not secure after all of this time. That is why the bigwig chickenhawks who come to visit come by Helicopter.

I also have been reading in the last week how al-Sadr's army has grown and is in control of section of three cities in Iraq. Other warlords control many other cities. The US is basically playing a very poor game of whack-a-mole, with our soldiers and many, many Iraqis paying with their lives.

There is No Way In Hell bushco** will pull out. No Way.

[Submariner]

5. In the Navy we called what's going on as a

clusterfuck. It is lost on all fronts, and until the sheeple bushbots get in tune to that fact, the dying will continue needlessly. The civil war is just getting underway in Iraq, stay tuned.

[Pepperbelly]

9. hey shipmate and

clusterfuck was exactly the right phrase. I was in the Gator Navy but my son's a bubblehead going to ST A school in rotten Groten. I tried to warn the lad but he was hot to do it.

Gonna take a while to get over it, too.

[Submariner]

18. Rotten Groton

was my homeport for a few years (in the '60s), but I started out in the Gator Navy (LSD-3) for a few months before A school at Glakes. As long as your son doesn't find himself in Iraq, hopefully he will have great future mate.

[eissa]

8. Definitely

I can tell you that my family in Baghdad -- certainly no fans of Saddam and his ilk -- would prefer a brutal dictator to the chaos that rules the country now. Even during the bleakest days of war with Iran, they at least had water and electricity. Not now. And they knew they could walk to the market/school/work, etc. without worrying about being blown to pieces. Add to that the rise of religious fundamentalists harassing the population, and a trigger-happy occupying army, and Iraq is beyond lost.

[Frederik]

16. Thanks Eissa

I have relatives that lived through the German occupation of several Western European countries, and even that wasn't quite as bad as the situation in Iraq today sounds like. Jeesus, what a mess.

[Ksec]

10. Yes, without a doubt

Over 500 killed this month alone. Its gonna be going in all directions.

Sunnis against Shiite, both against the US occupation, Kurds against Sunni, Shiites against Kurds.

Its a freakin total mess. The Iraqis arent training well. They have spies all through the forces...

Yes, were losing. Theres no way we can win a war like this has become.

[Joey Liberal]

12. It's a loss militarily and morally

It's Vietnam all over again. We don't do well militarily when there is no clear objectives for our troops and when we don't know who the enemy is half of the time. The President does not even seem to take Iraq seriously. He's seem unconcerned about Osama Bin Laden. He's out riding his bike while troops are dying every day for oil in Iraq.

[Frederik]

13. The Green Zone (the base in the centre of Baghdad)

is fairly secure for now, but allegedly infiltrated by the insurgents. Parts of the British-controlled South are mostly quiet. The rest is a war zone.

[gratuitous]

14. According to Chimpy today

He said that the fact that the insurgents are still fighting shows that they're losing. I guess you have to do about 40 years of cocaine for that idea to make sense.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. BUSH IS WINNING

Don't you guys understand? Things are great. More people dead, endless war, that is just what the chimp wants. He thinks this is a huge success. He could give a shit how many people he kills in the process. The more the better.

[killbotfactory]

15. It's just some untidyness

Nothing to worry about.

[BrotherBuzz]

17. Seven Brigades?

I read that four thousand troops were involved in the battle. A measly little battalion has about a thousand troops. I seem to remember that there are on average three battalions in a brigade so that would be closer to 21,000 troops involved if the units were full strenght. Something stinks!

[Disturbed]

23. Oil control.

The wars in Iraq and Afganistan are not about obtaining oil.

They are about controling the flow.

In that regard the Bush Fascist Regime has been and is successful.

Deaths of Amerikans, Iraqis and Afghans are not of much concern to the BushCo. People are expendible.

[Turbineguy]

19. OK, let's say

that in 2008 those who had their votes stolen electronically vote paper. And let's say that those who were fooled or intimidated by rethugs last time vote anyway. And lets say that a good portion of the 50 million or so who actually voted for Bush and the neo-cons decide we really do need to clean house.

How will we solve the mess these idiots have created? These people should be lined up against the wall and shot in order to show the rest of the world that America really can lead the world and make it a better place, but we really cannot do that.

How can we go to the rest of the world and say OK, it was an aberration and it's over now. Most of us, if we live long lives, will not live to see the day this is over.

[kenny blankenship]

21. We are not winning

and if you aren't winning then you are either waiting out your opponent's willingness to fight and wearing him down little by little, or he is wearing you down and waiting out your willingness to fight.

Since most Americans ALREADY don't believe that Iraq is "worth it", and have gotten over that flush of Nazi like pride they experienced during the Shock and Awe phase of the conflict, and since the evidence that Bush lied us into this illegal war has been continuously dribbling out without refutation, lately being confirmed beyond doubt by the Downing St. "Memo", I think I know which side will be worn out by this bullshit first.

Iraq is going to be filed right alongside Vietnam in the historian's casefiles of tragic foreign policy disasters of the United States.

[Pepperbelly]

22. No, shit. Very true.

That light Bush is seeing at the end of the tunnel is the onrushing train, I fear.

How many times have these bastards used this phrase: turning the corner.

Fuckers.

[welshTerrier2]

24. I'm afraid "we" are NOT losing Iraq ...

well, to be more specific, bush is NOT losing Iraq ...

how can this be you ask? clearly the insurgency is out of control ... clearly democracy is nothing but a sham ... clearly there has been no reconstruction and the Iraqi people are suffering and dying ...

so, what's your problem, dude ???

well, the problem is that those who measure whether bush is winning or losing using the above metrics don't understand what bush is trying to accomplish ... frankly, too many elected Democrats don't seem to get it either ... bush is NOT trying to crush the insurgency anytime soon ... he is perfectly happy to let the instability continue for now ... got that ??? so don't measure how "we" are doing by looking at the current situation in military terms ...

bush wants to occupy Iraq ... period ... guess what he's doing right now? guess what he's been doing with the full blessing of most Senate Democrats for more than two years now? guess what he'll be doing a year from now? got that ?????

do you see the Iraqi government demanding we leave? NO !! ... do you see real Iraqis in charge of the Oil Ministry? NO !!! Chalabi, the American puppet, has been installed there ...

the only piece of the bush strategy that failed in Iraq was the election of Jafaari as Prime Minister ... bush wanted Alawi so that he could control government operations ... oops ... blew that one ... but no problem ... things will just take longer now, that's all ... that's why the insurgency is not a problem for bush right now ... it lends credibility to US occupation ... Iraq is being starved ... Iraq has ZERO fresh drinking water and many have died from dysentery ... Iraq has no jobs and no national revenue ... Jafaari's government will eventually be forced to borrow from the World Bank and will be blackmailed into compliance with US objectives because they will be unable to repay their loans ... and guess who is in charge at the World Bank? Yup ... another bush puppet ... it's good old Wolfowitz ... got that ???

Iraq is coming along just fine if you don't give a damn about the Iraqi people or the expendable American soldier pawns stationed over there ... and it's coming along just fine if you believe the purpose of the American government and the American military is to pave a path for greedy corporate swine and land-grabbing imperialists ...

if you answered this question already and said that "we" are losing the "war", you might reconsider just who this "we" is and exactly what "we" are trying to accomplish over there ... if you believe bush is trying to stabilize Iraq and has failed, you may not be seeing the big picture ...

[Botany]

25. Look at the #s

130,000 troops trying to keep order for 26 million people .......
This is insanity

http://www.thousandreasons.org/get_article.php?article_id=54

a little thing I wrote on Iraq .......

Although I do support rounding up all young republicans and
especially College Repugs and shipping them over there ASAP
PNAC folk too.