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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:42 PM
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Researching psychedelics
The following comes from http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20050422-000005.html It makes you wonder why the government has been opposed to research. The answer is they are afraid that there might be an attribute that can oppose their armor used in the war on drugs. The principle armor is silence with an outside coating of demonization.

Psychedelics in Rehab

By: Steven Kotler
Summary: Should psychedelic drugs be used for tough-to-treat conditions? Studying contraband substances are on the upswing, and many say it should have happened sooner.

Back in the early sixties, Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary snuck LSD out of campus laboratories and into the mainstream. Soon, tie-dyed hell broke loose in popular culture, and psychedelic drugs were quickly banned. By decade's end, they had all but vanished from the psychological research scene.

Now, for the first time in some 30 years, human studies of such contraband substances are on the upswing. Many researchers say it should have happened sooner.

"The banning of psychedelics has been an absolute disaster for consciousness and medical research," says Rick Doblin, head of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit pharmaceutical company funding much of this new work.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:44 PM
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1. Trying to induce flashbacks again, heh?
:hippie:
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:45 PM
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2. Oh, man, my brain is tingling...
...and my trails are back!
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:47 PM
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3. LSD
was originally thought to be a cure for alcoholism. Bill Wilson (one of the co-founders of AA) even tried it.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:54 PM
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5. Nope -
I drank like a fish while I was on that stuff... and barely noticed.

The cognitive effects of synesthesia are quite remarkable.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:53 PM
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4. I was a psychedelic test-sled back in the 70s
I enjoyed myself immensely and am also glad I stopped doing that stuff when I did.
John
It is now 25 days, 22 hours and eight minutes to FUNDAY. Come look at all the pretty colors.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:56 PM
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6. there have also been a lot of studies
suggesting that MDMA is enormously helpful for those suffering from PTSD.

A lot of the veterens of Iraq would well benefit from that treatment.

IMHO
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:02 PM
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8. Yes
They will be using it on the worst of the returning war veterans along with GHB which also has shown to ease PTSD.
We will have all these soldiers on the streets taking LSD and GHB--can you imagine the consequences of this?:scared:
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:08 PM
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9. you're fricking kidding me...
You're actually afraid of people on LSD and GHB? I would much prefer that over a non-treated PTSD'er.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:11 PM
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10. Yes.
I would be fearful of any mind-altering drug that hasn't been tested for long term use on a condition it wasn't specified for.
You don't know what you are buying into.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:15 PM
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11. LSD is very different from GHB
My husband was the victim of GHB poisoning in a local nightclub. Some sickfucks dosed his soda with it (Mr. Dora doesn't drink alcohol).

We're lucky he made it home alive. Those bastards could have killed him. He was 1/4 mile away from our house on the freeway when he realized that something was seriously wrong. Thank god there's no traffic at that time of night and that he could keep it together long enough to get the truck to our house. Uncontrollable vomiting, loss of consciousness, slowed breathing, loss of physical control... he thought it was food poisoning until I started quizzing him about the night and anything strange that might have happened.

Neither Mr. Dora nor I have EVER had a similar experience with LSD. Granted, it's been decades since either of us have dosed, but....

GHB is something to be afraid of, of this I am certain.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:23 PM
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12. I don't even know what GHB is.
But I do know that both Timothy MacVeigh and John Allen Mohammed were both desert storm vets. That conflict lasted for 2-3 months. We've been in Iraq for over 2 years with no exit strategy.

These guys are going to need droves of help.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:23 PM
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13. It's a date rape drug. eom
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:57 PM
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7. They're terrified of it
because in the megadoses that were around in the 60s, it forces people who try it to question everything they thought they knew.

Some people were terrified by it, and retreated into fundy religion.

Most people walked away from organized religion, though, and continue to question much of what they are told.

Can't have that, yanno.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:30 PM
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14. Where do I sign up?
Edited on Mon May-23-05 01:33 PM by bamacrat
Back in February I believe, I read an article that said soldiers returning from Iraq who had PTSD, were given Extacy as form of therapy. There is no telling how much psychadelics can open and expand the mind. Im glad research is finally being done.
But when oh when will they began testing Marijuana on people, and legalize it already.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:39 PM
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15. Hmmmm you miss a very important point here
ANYONE can grow marijuana.
Therefore, it is BAD.
DRUG COMPANIES can make XTC, GHB, and LSD
Therefore, it is GOOD.

Anyone wanna argue with me that this is why pot is illegal?
LOL.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:42 PM
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16. If the gov't wants us to do LSD, then why has it virtually disappeared
from the streets in the last five years?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2098109

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:44 PM
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17. If you do drugs,
Edited on Mon May-23-05 01:45 PM by XemaSab
you're not a sheep.

If you're not a sheep, you're a wastrel and of no use to society.

People who smoke pot are wastrels.

It would be immoral for a company to turn people into wastrels.

Therefore, pot should be illegal.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 02:33 PM
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18. Laughing grass is illegal because of fascism.
Edited on Mon May-23-05 02:37 PM by firefox
The pill companies certainly are a powerful force, but they are not the only one. The drug laws can take down anyone with a little stretch and most everyone with the scope of the drug laws. It is all about building a police state to control "the herd" and protect "the company." The government works for "the company" and having victimless crimes with an exageration of conspiracy theory, they can build a police state to control "the herd."

Edit to add- I used to comment at CannabisNews.com regularly. I say the reason for Cannabis Prohibition in one word is corruption (fascism). In two words, controlled media. In three words, It's the money. In four words, lies, bullshit, and obfuscation. In five words, We Are Ruled By Treason.
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