Maybe losing the filibuster battle will be a good thing

[Toots]

If we lose the filibuster and the Democrats hold true to their word maybe everything in the Senate will slow to a snails pace and the Thugs won't get everything passed they wish to get passed. It may be the only way of halting their aggression. If the Democrats stick together on this and don't let the Republican echo chamber put too much pressure on them. Eventually the people will wake up and if there is a country left the Democrats will regain control. Just no unanimous consent ever again. Make them do their jobs.

[whistle]

1. Everything happens for a reason....

....but democrats need to fight this to the bitter end.

[wtmusic]

2. No No No

Too easy to paint us in a bad light. It must be stopped now, at all costs.

This is opening the door to Cheney being able to make rules changes. That means, not requiring every bill to be read. Hence, no more "snail's pace." Welcome to America's NEW Senate -- the Republican Bill Expressway.

The rules change must be stopped.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. HOW? How do we stop it now?

Just askin'. ;)

[wtmusic]

25. Full court press on the "fence-sitters"

Call, fax, write. About all we can do. But it is very, very, close.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3709739#3709746

[shadowknows69]

28. we've already lost Cochran

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I agree

They could pass anything and everything. :\ This worries me especially with the "Patriot Act" and "Patriot Act part two" coming along....

[Strawman]

3. watch those other dilatory tactics go bye bye real quick

assuming the Dems don't cave in first. They can be done away with by the same principle that they are invoking to do away with judicial filibusters.

We need to stop this runaway train right here.

[Toots]

4. And if we don't? Is there no light and no tunnel?

:shrug: No silver lining?

[Strawman]

6. Well, there is the valor of fighting the good fight

I don't think this party will win elections the way it should until it once and for all abandons the notion that it should triangulate and hedge and compromise away its soul. That's the silver lining.

This fight matters in principle. It's fundamentally about opposing a radical change in political representation in this country. The minority party in the Senate (who I believe actually represent more voters than the legislative majority) will be as weakened as the minority party in the House unless courageous moderate Republicans stop this now. Bush can essentially rule by fiat as long as he has 51 Republican Senators to go along.

I'm not saying we shouldn't fight. We absolutely should fight and we should be willing fighting for what is right even if we know we very well might lose.

[jojo54]

7. But the good die young.

There will be a lot of death, I fear. Death of humankind, fair and balanced ANYTHING and plain old RIGHTS of everything.

[Strawman]

10. but there's no alternative to fighting these guys

allow a vote on all our nutty right-wing nominees or else. They will use their majority to do whatever they want. Bush and the hard right intend to rule by fiat. Once 50 Republicans go along with this "because they were forced by the Democrats," what will stop them from going along with the vote to change other rules when we are in fact purposely obstructing their agenda in retaliation? This fight is going to happen because they don't want to compromise. All we can do with this guy is appease him politically or fight him. I say fight.

[Deep13]

22. I won't tilt at windmills.

Fighting hard, dying and losing is still losing. There are no extra points for being a martyr.

[Deep13]

8. Not necessarily, ...

... but I have come to the conclusion that the only way to get people to see the Rs for what they are is to let them have their way for awhile.

[jojo54]

11. That may be true

It's just damned scary to think of what's comming if the filibuster dies.

[Strawman]

15. Yep. Now the Xtian right has the treasure map to the laws of this country

All they need is a bare Senate majority to go along with it and they can literally PACK the courts with the likes of Owens and Brown. They won't even have to wait for court vacancies. They won't even have to change the laws. They can just interpret them to mean whatever they say they mean.

[pie]

12. We will not win any more important elections if we lose this

It will be no paper trail all the time.
I predict we will never again see a Democratic President if this passes.

[Deep13]

17. You may be right.

Considering the hedgemony the right has on our culture, economy and government, however, that may happen anyway. The thought keeps running through my head that if we keep doing what we have been doing, we will keep getting the same result.

[AndyTiedye]

27. It Wouldn't be Just "For Awhile"

Once they have total control, they will never give it up.
Certainly not in an election, where they control the voting machines
and every court where we can seek redress.

[AndyTiedye]

26. There Is a Light at the End of the Tunnel

It is an oncoming train, of course,
the Theocracy Express,
coming our way at full-steam.

[pie]

9. If we cannot stop this egregious act we are thru as a party

Most likely thru as a nation.
They will have all the chips and we will have nothing -
and they do not play nice.

There will be no way back from this slide.

[carnie_sf]

13. In 1776

England, and King George had all the cards. Hell, they had all the cards, all r=the chips, all the dealers, and they owned the bank. I think we should start asking ourselves what would the founding have done in this circumstance. Hint: Patrick Henry didn't say give me liberty or give me a tax break.

[Deep13]

18. Right, let's get help from the French army!

Hate to say it, by that is the only reason why Henry's sentiment had any practical consequence.

[foo_bar]

23. I'm sure France would be delighted to help

They hate Bush more than they hate the British.

(edited for dangling modifier)

[Lannes]

14. Future historians wont look kindly on what they did

But in the meantime those of us living in the present are going to get royally screwed by the all the fascist legislation that is going to be rammed down our throats.

Thats assuming we win our country back at some point because the winners get to write the history books.

[cry baby]

24. The repubs re-write history all the time.

In years to come, the history books may depict * as the greatest prez ever to hold office.

[Name removed]

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[Deep13]

19. Check the rules, Beetwasher.

"Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual members of this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden.
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[Beetwasher]

21. Feh!

So alert me. What are you, the hall monitor? :eyes:

[Ksec]

29. and the tide is changing...

That power will be ours in a few years. (evil grin)