Rawstory: Dems have 49 votes in fillibuster vote.

[YEM]

Does anyone know what this means? Does that mean they have all the dems behind them? I can't figure this out.

[Roland99]

1. All the Democrats plus 4 Republicans if that's the case.

It's 55-45 in the Senate.

[whistle]

4. There is one independent so the dems have 44

[Roland99]

10. DOH! Need my morning caffeine

:silly:

[feelthebreeze]

45. Here is emai contacts to fence sitting Sens

Info collected at http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/bububjones/



Senator Thad Cochran
http://cochran.senate.gov/contact.htm

Call:
WASHINGTON
202-224-5054

JACKSON
601-965-4459

OXFORD
662-236-1018

GULFPORT
228-867-9710

Senator Susan Collins
http://collins.senate.gov/low/contactemail.htm

Faxes may be sent to:

Washington, D.C. Office
[phone]

Augusta Office
[phone]

Bangor Office
[phone]

Biddeford Office
[phone]

Caribou Office
[phone]

Lewiston Office
[phone]

Portland Office
(207) 828-038
Phone:
Washington, D.C. Office [phone]

Augusta Office

[phone]
Bangor Office

[phone]
Biddeford Office

[phone]
Caribou Office

[phone]
Lewiston Office [phone]
Portland Office [phone]

Senator Chuck Hagel
http://hagel.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Offices.Contact

Washington, D.C. Office
248 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Omaha Office
11301 Davenport Street, Suite 2
Omaha, NE 68154
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Lincoln Office
294 Federal Building
100 Centennial Mall North
Lincoln, NE 68508
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Kearney Office
4111 Fourth Avenue, Suite 26
Kearney, NE 68845
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Scottsbluff Office
115 Railway Street, Suite C102
Scottsbluff, NE 69361
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Senator John McCain
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home

241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg.
United States Senate
, Washington DC 20510
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Phoenix
5353 North 16th Street
Suite 105
Phoenix, Arizona 85016
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Tempe
4703 S. Lakeshore Drive
Suite 1
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Tucson
407 W. Congress Street
Suite 103
Tucson, Arizona 85701
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Senator Bill Nelson
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm#email


Contact Information:

Washington DC:
United States Senate
Hart Senate Office Building
Room 716
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Orlando:
Landmark Two
225 East Robinson Street Ste 410
Orlando, Florida 32801
Phone: [phone]
Toll Free in Fla : 1-888-671-4091
Fax: [phone]

Tampa:
Sam Gibbons Federal Court House
801 N. Florida Ave., 4th Floor
Tampa, Florida 33602
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Miami-Dade:
2925 Salzedo Street
Coral Gables, FL 33134
305-536-5999 Telephone
305-536-5991 Fax

Tallahassee:
US Court House Annex
111 North Adams Street
Tallahassee, Florida 32301
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


West Palm Beach:
500 Australian Avenue Suite 125
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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Fax: [phone]

Jacksonville:
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Jacksonville, Florida 32207
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Broward:
3416 South University Drive
Davie, FL 33328
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Fort Myers:
Justice Center Annex Building
2000 Main Street, Suite 801
Ft. Myers, FL 33901
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Senator Arlen Specter
http://specter.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactInfo.Home

Main Office:
711 Hart Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: [phone]

Allentown Office
Suite 3814, Federal Building
504 W. Hamilton
Allentown, PA 18101
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Erie Office
Federal Building, Suite B-120
17 South Park Row
Erie, PA 16501
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Harrisburg Office
Room 1104, Federal Building
228 Walnut Street
Harrisburg, PA 17101
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Philadelphia Office
600 Arch Street
Suite 9400
Philadelphia, PA 19106
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Pittsburgh Office
Regional Enterprise Tower (old Alcoa Building)
425 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1450
Pittsburgh, PA 15219
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Scranton Office
310 Spruce Street
Suite 201
Scranton, PA 18503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone] Wilkes-Barre Office

7 North Wilkes Barre Boulevard
Stegmaier Building, Room 377M
Wilkes-Barre, PA 18702
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Senator Ted Stevens
http://stevens.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm

Washington, D.C.

522 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Director: DeLynn Henry
Events Coordinator: HJ Derr

Director of President Pro Tempore Affairs: Jennifer Mies Lowe

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Anchorage Office

222 West 7th Avenue # 2
Anchorage, AK 99513-7569

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

State Director: Marie Nash
Staff Assistant: Saga Verble
Staff Assistant: Jim Egan
Staff Assistant: Gloria McCutcheon
Staff Assistant: Janel Anderson

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Fairbanks Office

Box 4
Federal Building Room 206
101 12th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701 Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Staff Assistant: Diane Hutchinson
Staff Assistant: Patrick Tanner

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Wasilla Office

851 East Westpoint Drive # 307
Wasilla, AK 99654

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Staff Assistant:
Carol Gustafson

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Kenai Office

110 Trading Bay Road
Suite 105
Kenai, AK 99611

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Juneau Office
Box 21247
Federal Building Room 971
Juneau, AK 99802
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Ketchikan Office
540 Water Street
Suite 101
Ketchikan, AK 99901
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Bethel Office
PO Box 1030
Bethel, AK 99559
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Senator John E.Sununu
http://www.sununu.senate.gov/webform.html

WASHINGTON, DC
111 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
[phone]
FAX [phone]

BERLIN
60 Pleasant Street
Berlin, NH 03570
[phone]
FAX [phone]

CLAREMONT
50 Opera House Square
Claremont, NH 03743
[phone]
FAX [phone]

MANCHESTER
1589 Elm Street, Suite 3
Manchester, NH 03101
[phone]
FAX [phone]

PORTSMOUTH
One New Hampshire Avenue
Suite 120
Portsmouth, NH 03801
[phone]
FAX [phone]

Senator Olympia J.Snowe
http://snowe.senate.gov/

Phone: [phone] · Toll Free in Maine: [phone] · Fax: [phone]

[e-mail]


Senator George V. Voinovich
http://voinovich.senate.gov/

Honorable George V. Voinovich
524 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
[phone] Fax: [phone]

Senator John Warner
http://warner.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm


Washington Office
225 Russell Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
[phone]
[phone] FAX


Midlothian District Office
5309 Commonwealth Centre Parkway
Midlothian, Virginia 23112
[phone]
[phone] FAX


Roanoke District Office
1003 First Union Bank Building
213 South Jefferson Street
Roanoke, Virginia 24011
[phone]
[phone] FAX


Abingdon District Office
235 Federal Building
180 West Main Street
P.O. Box 887
Abingdon, Virginia 24210
[phone]
[phone] FAX


Norfolk District Office
4900 World Trade Center
Norfolk, Virginia 23510
Telephone:
[phone]
[phone] FAX

[YEM]

7. So 49 would be a failure then I guess?

What isn't clear is are the 40 votes final, or do they think they can still win over one or two. That's what I can't figure out.

[kentuck]

8. Close only counts in horseshoes...

Not in politics or bear fights.

[Rowdyboy]

42. AOr, as on of my old profs from college said "Close only counts in

horseshoes and thermonuclear explosions"

[whistle]

14. Need 51, 7 republicans with a conscience....can anyone name

...just one?

[benburch]

49. I'd settle for a few we could blackmail. nt

[Yupster]

52. One thing that's probable

is that Frist won't hold the vote unless he's sure he has the votes. That's the beauty of being the majority.

[Pirate Smile]

2. There are 44 Dems plus Jeffords. We need 51 votes. 50 won't

cut it because Darth Cheney will be the tie breaker.

I would assume all the Dems are included in that 49.

[lonestarnot]

3. Amerika is now fucked!

[still_one]

11. sorry but that happened in 2000

it just keeps coming

[earth mom]

23. Ain't that the truth?!

They are socking it to us at every turn. We can't win and they won't be happy until everything goes down in flames.

It's totally sick and twisted! :nuke:

[benburch]

5. Means we are gonna lose.

Unless something happens to a couple of Republicans before tomorrow...

[DemonFighterLives]

12. Dumb question

But can we filibuster this vote, so they need a bigger majority?
:shrug:

[fryguy]

19. no, its a rules change

which only requires a simple majority and is not subject to fillibuster

[DemonFighterLives]

22. Thank You!

I am writing a bunch of Republicans as we speak.
:argh:

[Pirate Smile]

33. It is supposed to require a super-majority (67 votes) to change the

Senate rules but the Republicans are going to break the rules and say, nope, only 51 votes needed instead of 67. The Senate Parliamentarian disagrees but they wont ask him and will just do it instead.

That is how they are going to break the rules to change the rules.

[tinrobot]

36. It requires 2/3 to change the rules

I'm surprised the media isn't reporting this theft of our government institutions.

This will complete the coup that started in 2000.

[WillowTree]

48. Wrong.

A rules change requires sixty-seven votes to pass.

This will be done as a ruling from the Chair declaring the filibuster of judicial nominations to be either (A) unconstitutional or (B) in violation of existing Senate rules. It is the ruling from the Chair that only needs a simple majority to be upheld.

[fryguy]

53. thanks for the correction(s)

my brain is still on monday-morning mode . . . i meant to say that it was a way of avoiding it as a rule change a rather a point of order (or clarification or whatever their dubbing it) being raised and determined outside the normal rule-change procedure by simple majority . . .

note to self: drink coffee then post . . .

[Darkhawk32]

18. Can you imagine what will happen to any Republican that doesn't obey...

Bush, Cheney and Frist?

I feel sorry for them.

Nah.

[benburch]

34. Not as bad as what is going to happen to the eventually if they do.

Revolution is not a pretty thing.

[ClintonTyree]

6. That means....

we're up a creek without a paddle. We may have all the Dems, but unless we get a few crossover moderate Reslugs on our side, we're screwed.

In that case, the Democrats, in unison, must shut the government down.

[ananda]

9. but will they?

Will Dems have the cojones to actually do the right thing and shut the government down?

They haven't shown any so far....


Sue

[Stand and Fight]

13. I sincerely hope they are grappling for more...

Hopefully they are seeking to sway Republicans who may have some sense of democratic morality left, because if they do not the Republic is in serious danger. Which Republicans can we focus our efforts on with the greatest chance of success, DU?

[YEM]

15. Hagel, Spector, Snowe, Graham among others.

Fingers crossed.

[blondeatlast]

26. McCain has talked all around it--"dangerous precedent, we won't always be

in power, yadayadayada."

I hope just once he will summon up the courage to do the right thing.

He doesn't need the RNC to win re-election (I'm a Zonie), so I'm pin-and needling it--and oh, yes, have called and e-mailed repeatedly.

[fryguy]

32. i think McCain is solidily agains the change

even he sees how partisan a move it is and how it flies in the very face of Senate history and protocol

[spotbird]

54. That's when I knew that we were going to lose.

He only has courage when it doesn't matter.

[Just Me]

16. WOW!!! They're only one vote away!!!

The right-wing must be gasping for air right now!!! *LOL*

Delicious!!!

[fryguy]

20. two votes away actually

a 50-50 vote and the fillibuster goes bye-bye

[Just Me]

28. Methinks the BFEE/neoCON/theocrats may be in for a big surprise!!!

I could be wrong but sometimes my instincts are pretty damned good!!!

I'm feeling rather optimistic, now!!!

[renaissanceguy]

31. I hope you are right,

but who knows... It feels like everything is up in the air, IMO.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272015

[lonestarnot]

39. Glad someone does.

[Guckert]

17. Lets hope the idiot American voter does not forgive them for this.

[fryguy]

25. no faith in the US voters

they forgave * for lying to go to war - what on earth would make me think the same voters will hold Senate accontable (or even remember come election day) for something such as a rules change vote? even with the MSN yapping about this for the last several days, my guess is 85% of american's don't know or don't care about it. one increase of threat level or missing child report and this is a forgotten issue . . .

[Guckert]

55. Maybe if Paula Abdul fucked the Senate rule book this would get more

attention by the gop "COPS" viewers.

[Willy Lee]

21. If they get away with this...

Yes, we are fucked, but when the tide turns (and it will) and Dems have a majority in the Senate... watch out. It will be payback time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. The repukes own the evoting machines.

WE, The Democrats, will NEVER be in power again as long as they continue using those machines. Our Democracy is gone.

[PA Democrat]

24. Anyone know which 4 Repubs are crossing party lines on this?

Both my hubby and I called Specter's office last week on this issue to make our feelings clear.

[Strawman]

37. I know three: McCain, Chafee and Snowe

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/051905/rules.html

My guess would be that Specter is number 4. We need two more. I don't think we can get two more though. I just don't forsee Warner, Collins or DeWine having the guts to cross party lines on this. Graham might have the guts, but I think that in the end his ideological leanings will win out over his concerns about process. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

On edit: I wonder why Hagel is not on their list?

[DemonFighterLives]

29. Here is a list of Senators

I don't know who is best to write to, but I wrote to McCain, Lugar, Coleman, Spector, etc.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[KaliTracy]

30. List of those who haven't stated- or are on the fence

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050522/NEWS01/505220366

Sunday, May 22, 2005
Senator DeWine center of debate to end filibuster

By Malia Rulon
Gannett News Service


WASHINGTON - Sen. Mike DeWine of Ohio, who has emerged as a key Republican holdout in a congressional battle over whether to end judicial filibusters, is getting pressure from both sides over a pivotal vote that would make it easier for President Bush to get his nominees approved.

The Senate could take up the issue as early as Tuesday if lawmakers vote on Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen, one of several controversial nominees Democrats threaten to block with a filibuster, a stalling tactic intended to thwart votes on nominees or bills.

DeWine said he has made up his mind but won't tell whether he'll side with Republicans, who plan to use a so-called "nuclear option" if Owen's nomination doesn't get the necessary 60 votes to stop a filibuster.


OTHERS who won't say which way they are voting:

The seven Republican senators who haven't declared whether they'll support the GOP plan to scrap judicial filibusters and force the approval of President Bush's nominees:

Mike DeWine of Ohio: http://dewine.senate.gov /

Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania: http://specter.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactI...

John Warner of Virginia; http://warner.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm

Lisa Murkowski of Alaska; http://murkowski.senate.gov/contact.html

Chuck Hagel of Nebraska: http://hagel.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Offices.Co...

John Sununu of New Hampshire; http://www.sununu.senate.gov/webform.html

Susan Collins of Maine: http://collins.senate.gov/low/contactemail.htm

on edit: fixed link

Dewine has stated: "The Democrats have been unreasonable in filibustering so many judges...but I do believe, in extreme cases, the minoriry should have the right to filibuster."

Voinovich has stated: "Both the president and my fellow senators, as well as this county, deserve the courtesy of an up-or-down vote on nominees."

[Walt Starr]

35. With only 49 votes, only three words should matter to Reid and the Dems

SHUT IT DOWN!!!!!!

[Stand and Fight]

38. Exactly.

Shut the damn government down like the Republicans did back in January 1996. Enough is enough. It's time to come out swinging and if the Republicans will go this far then we must go even further to save the Republic from them.

[lonestarnot]

40. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

edit for another damn typo

[Zorra]

43. IMO, we should all help. A 2 day national general strike

by all Democrats and anyone and everyone else genuinely concerned about regaining democracy in America.

We can take the "torch and pitchfork" option.

Shut it down.

[lonestarnot]

41. SHUT ER DOWN!

[cmutt]

44. Speculation

This is pure speculation, but is this a Rovean move to try to showcase the Democrats as "roadblocks to getting the nation's work done"? If everything is shut down because of Democratic opposition to the nuclear option, then I would think Rove would market the h*ll out of it -- and pimp it for everything it would be worth in the '06 elections.

[Just Me]

46. Reading bills word for wording is doing the nation's work!!!

People on all sides of the political spectrum are pissed about bills being passed without even being read.

Moreover, people on all sides of the political spectrum are against tryanny by the majority.

btw FUCK ROVE!!!

[Strawman]

47. Wow. Who knows where this is headed?

First it's important to note that this all could have been avoided if Bush had simply chosen to appoint moderates acceptable to Republicans and conservative Democrats. Bush is the one who wants to do away with advise and consent. He wants to shove these extremists down the Senate's throat.

How long will the Democrats go on retaliating by asking unanimous consent on everything? At what point will the Republicans use parlimentary tactics to do away with or circumvent other Standing Rules that get in their leadership's way? Who will back down first? I wish I could say for certain that it won't be the Democrats who will blink this time.

[Zen Democrat]

50. I think that one of Specter, DeWine or Hagel could turn.

Most likely Specter. Specter is very ill, and he's not a fan of overturning the filibuster, but the Administration is holding the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee over his head. As sick as he's been, he may just vote his conscience.

[Walt Starr]

51. One is not enough, we'd need two

50 Senators loses this one. We need a higher level because at 50 Senators, Cheney casts the deciding vote.