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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:56 PM
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Is the FBI Spying on You? (ACLU has evidence that it is)

The ACLU has launched a nationwide effort to expose and prevent FBI spying on people and groups simply for speaking out or practicing their faith. As a first step, the ACLU and its affiliates have filed Freedom of Information Act requests in more than a dozen states. Although the FBI has refused to turn over most of the files, we have obtained evidence (pdf) that confirms the FBI and local police, working through Joint Terrorism Task Forces, are spying on political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based groups. We think the public deserves to know who is being investigated and why. We have sued (pdf) the FBI and the Department of Justice to get those answers.

http://www.aclu.org/spyfiles/#state
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:57 PM
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1. They are welcome to spy on me
My usual day could put anyone to sleep.

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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:08 PM
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3.  Ditto! n/t
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:15 PM
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6. Ditto 2
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:19 PM
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7. Take it from someone who knows
being investigated by the FBI is no picnic.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:30 PM
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10. Green Party already can't fly, get IRS financial 'look-sees'
Then they go after guys named Ted Kennedy on 'no fly' lists.

No overt harassment here in the US of A.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:37 PM
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14. They tap your phone, screen your mail,
follow you, contact your employer, question your family members and neighbors.

I was involved in a minor investigation and the FBI found no evidence of a crime. But it still cost several thousand $$ for an attorney and took several tense months to resolve.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 09:47 PM
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18. As Laura Bush says
we're a very tolerant country. Ha!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 09:47 PM
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17. Even though I have nothing to hide
I still like my privacy. Of course all those rightwingers who are anti-ACLU claim they are anti-Christianity. I had some rightwinger tell me that. Of course I wanted to yell at him but it wouldn't do any good. With the Bush administration someday this person may need the ACLU.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:07 PM
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2. How much can we get if we all file a lawsuit, if they are found to
be out of bounds.... (you know they are).
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:49 PM
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15. With the Patriot Act, they have all the leeway in the world
Just have to make a suggestion that they heard ... and it is OK to go beyond the Constitutional bounds we are all used to. Any of us can be suspected and that makes it all OK.

Wanna drink now?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:10 PM
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4. Uggh.. This is awful though we've been warned.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:10 PM
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5. Thanks for suing ACLU....
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:24 PM
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8. The nation-state/government is a malign and ubiquitous force by nature
and should be fought at every turn. Its actually quite astonishing that America has been free for as long as it has. ANY infingement on freedom, and ANY surveillance of civilians is a slip towards totalitarianism and slavery and must be fought.

This isn't a joke any more. If the destruction of rights, privacy, liberties and freedom carroes on at this rate imagine what America will be like in ten twenty or fifty years time.

Its hard to get angry and to politically mobilise about this issue cos its a gradual process. They're not stupid. But imagine if all the liberties that had been infringed, and will be infringed in the next four years were done on one day. There would be a revolution cos people would realise what was happening. But with this subtle approach it isn't getting anyone angry. Once liberty is gone and once laws are past, it is almost impossible to reverse that.

WE NEED TO BE VERY ANGRY AND VOCAL ABOUT THISIF WE ARE TO SAVE AMERICA AS A FREECOUNTRY.

GET ACTIVE
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:29 PM
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9. Isn't it amazing how Bin Laden has succeeded in removing
our civil liberties, putting some of us in the fear mode, and getting our own government to turn on us. I pity the fool who thinks this sort of thing can sustain itself. This is America and we will have the wool pulled over our eyes for only a short time, what befell Nixon is a testament to this fact... not to mention what happened when Iran Contra erupted on that jolly fellow from California.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:32 PM
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11. Check out how FEMA can install martial law
Edited on Sun May-22-05 08:37 PM by EVDebs
Codenames book by a guy named Arkin shows Power Geyser and various other programs/projects the government has can set up martial law.

http://www.oilempire.us/redalert.html

Just one question: Who has oversight of these groups ? Better yet, who elected them and/or created them in the first place ? Isn't setting up a group that can overrule the Constitution in and of itself UN-constitutional ?

"...Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America" ? Only when Bush says not to.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 10:00 PM
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19. And I bet you anything
none of the anti-abortion, "Christian" groups are on there. They're clean slated because of who they vote for. Don't you love it?
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:35 PM
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12. People have given their lives to protect your rights.
Apathy in the face of them slipping away is despicable.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 08:37 PM
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13. The only people that they aren't spying on are "dead" people!!!
If you "think", you are in the system.

What's shameful is that the FBI is afraid of people who are harmless and ignoring those who have EARNED the reputation of being violent.

Must SUCK being in the FBI these days. I'm glad to be me rather than them drowned in an obsession imposed by a tyranny that MUST control "freedom". What a weird spot.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 09:44 PM
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16. It's Twisted
Edited on Sun May-22-05 09:48 PM by thecai
The FBI ignore reports of harassment, threats, police misconduct and abuse, etc., yet spend their time spying, investigating, and breaking into peaceful protesters homes and offices...
That's reason enough to continue the investigations* on corruption within the FBI, (*that were halted immediately after 9/11).
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