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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:13 PM Original message |
Open question: how can American labor unions be revitalized? |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. The first thing that NEEDS to be done |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. AFLCIO - put more than 5 replies to this Q per page, ur site |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. now u did it Oscar -- what is AAR? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. (Air America Radio). . . . . . . . n/t |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. AIR AMERICA RADIO AAR: ho ho, cloudy you got me |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I wonder how many know about the 1st Columbine massacre |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Same as Ludlow? both in CO. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Well, Ludlow was bigger and messier |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. I'm in a union -- IATSE local 700. A lot of Rethugs in my union, too |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. We need to elect a labor-friendly government. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. That would require getting corporate cash out of politics. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Make Andy Stern head of the AFL |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Stern -- what are the differences between him and Sweeney? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Andy Stern |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. If labor doesn't stand up now when it really matters, then it's a lost cau |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think WM is probably the best start. |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. WM? what is that? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sorry, Wallmart. I've been abreviating it so long, I thought everyone |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. If I didnt recognize WM, no one else will.. i have over 1OOO posts |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Western Maritime Union? |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Wal-Mart, I figger |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. A different evil in these parts-Waste Management |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
12. Unions can be bad for business. |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. "Owners dont like them" -- well, so what else is new? |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. and business can be bad for humans |
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Michael_Bush (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Unions suck! |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Sure...whatever you say Mr. Bush. n/t |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
55. I agree... |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
78. When I was in a union, I walked a picket line and I now manage union |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. I agree. I don't think the people here have the same experience. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I'm living unions as someone whose been on strike and as a manager |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
67. "I believe in unions" Then answer the question instead of attacking. nt |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
115. Bob Lutz |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. "She had a valid problem but...we were short" |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. She didn't know she is company property. |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. You think I'm "power crazed" because I need an employee to work? |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:21 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. If her presence was so vital that the business could not run without her |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I don't know where you work but where I work, people are needed at their |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. And managers over see the workers. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. but you are supposed to staff appropriately |
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Michael_Bush (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. She DID staff appropriately |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. where was her "Plan B"? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. How do you know this? She's been remarkably unforthcoming about |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #98 |
116. I staffed to cover assignments |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:00 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. If it can't be flexible enough to handle such a situation--YES. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
82. I'd be very interested to know what sort of business you are running. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
65. That's some of that ownership bullshit Bush was blathering about |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. She had a car problem. And I had a business to run. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. What are you doing here? |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Are you suggesting that I don't belong here because I don't like unions? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Let me repeat what was so succinctly spoken in the previous post: |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Please share your experience working in a unionized environment. n/t |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Picket lines are evidence of crappy management in companies |
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Michael_Bush (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
84. Whiney Liberals at their worst |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #84 |
99. Most of us diagree with Ariellyn on this issue. So we aren't supposed |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
120. Who is "most of us"??? n/t |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. AMEN! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. It's pretty clear the majority is against you on this issue. |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #72 |
119. About three people have opposed my post--that's a "majority"? n/t |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. No I'm suggesting you don't belong here because you're a petty tyrant. |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Your attack goes beyond my post. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
100. You studied unions in grad school. Well, I guess that makes you God |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. No it makes me both educated and experienced on the issue. What |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
117. And yet you refuse to identify the nature of your business |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Flexibility comes from both sides. If that situation couldn't be managed |
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Itsthetruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
86. So ...... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
56. MIT did a study in late 90s that showed unionized workplaces more product- |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
75. business can be bad for people and bad for quality |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. I agree business can be bad for people--employees AND customers. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
83. But good business can be enhanced by unions. Read up on Southwest Airlines |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. This is one time when theory and reality don't jibe. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Read up on Southwest. Big profits, union labor. REALITY. |
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ariellyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #97 |
118. I HAVE read up on Southwest. They are ONE company-they don't |
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Jensen (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
107. You are absolutly right.... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Very interesting--the online hearing deserves it's own thread! |
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Jensen (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. No thank you for your reply |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I posted a new thread in GD--this is the wave of the future! nt |
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Jensen (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Thank you, Blondeatlast...I won't forget this! |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a topic that requires a LOT of discussion! |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. To "cloudy"'s re - : Media needed even if cant "hold its own financially" |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
61. well yes, of course a labor owned newspaper shouldn't fold |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. Well... |
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RebelAgainstEmpire (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. As long as capital is free |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So perhaps international solidarity is the best bet? |
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RebelAgainstEmpire (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. As close to |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. This is why we need to charter corporations again. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
88. Yes, it's one of the best ideas Ralph Nader has been pushing |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Agreed - we should be at least touching on it briefly every day. |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. If we had a labor-friendly government |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. The best solution because it helps the Unions and the Country. |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The corporatocracy makes it sound |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. That's the ballgame. |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. 40% to 15%: 40% unionized fifty yrs ago, only 15% now: cut in half |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. "complacency" - is that an accurate reason for union decline? |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. "some law firms specialize in destroying unions" |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. The more workers legal and illegal move into the country the less chances |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. Join |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think its got to be a cause and effect situation |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. We need to organize all the service employees esp Wal Mart |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
73. We need to get the word out about Working America. |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
45. A good place to start is support the airline strikers over the pension |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
46. Good place to start is to educate young workers by telling |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. The young workers today think 10 dollars an hour is good money |
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oxbow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. 35% of workers used to be in unions |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
51. One word: demographics. IN 2008 THE LEADING EDGE OF THE BOOMERS |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
52. Fight these fucking "Health Savings Accounts" (HSAs) |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
71. Its woven into many subjects... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
74. Unite non-union labor with labor--Working America plans to do |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
80. First of all, make it illegal to hire permanent replacements |
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Itsthetruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. S-1 |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
81. For starters elect people that aren't corrupt and click oriented. |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
85. do unions themselves offer good health plans? |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #85 |
101. Some do! When labor sticks together, wages & benifits go up. |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
102. I see the Anti-Union squad was out earlier. Now we can organize! |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. davsand, great post!! |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
103. A Union is not a Union if it has No Rights |
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Lannes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
105. Be more agressive in policing itself |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The right loves to use union corruption, then why in the hell |
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Lannes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Good point |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
113. Unions were obviously necessary when the labor movement started. |
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