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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:56 PM
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The thread about the Book of Judges led me to research it (long)
I was curious about what it had to say - this interpretation just astounded me. How silly of me to try to lead in my community. I am the problem, not the solution!

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People often turn to the book of Judges to prove that it is okay for women to lead, but I think you can see from these stories that the men were weak and not doing what they were supposed to. Deborah, Jael, and the woman who killed Abimelech were great. I can find no fault with them. But what we’ve seen shows that this society is actually in decline. When the opportunities for women to lead arise, it is actually a sign that something is wrong.

The issue of male leadership is especially prevalent in our day. It is almost a dirty word to many people. A few diehard conservative Christians still believe in it, but not too many others. It certainly is not politically correct. But we can see that the problem of male leadership is a common problem throughout the Bible.

It began with Adam. He was not leading when he ate the fruit. He was following Eve’s lead. I know most of you have heard the explanation of Gen. 3:16 which says the woman’s desire would be to rule over her husband, but that God wanted the man to lead. It is man’s natural inclination to back down and not take the initiative. God has made us this way so that the only way we can succeed as leaders is by stepping out in faith and trusting Him to catch us when we fall or fail. And we will fail. We will make bad decisions. That is why we don’t take the lead. We are afraid. When men fail to take the lead, women usually step right in and do it. They often do a good job too, but this is not God’s ideal, and the end result is ruin.

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I think one of the main points of the book is that men need to take the initiative and be leaders. One of the signs of a declining society is lack of male leadership. Men need to have faith in God and they need to live wisely. If they don’t lead, the women will more than likely step in. They will do a good job, but they will not be able to stem the tide of the decline and eventually, society will go downhill so much that they become victims to all kinds of atrocities.
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1481
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:01 PM
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1. What a crock of shit
Of course, this is one of a myriad of reasons I reject the notion that the Bible has anything whatsoever to offer in the way of wisdom.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:18 PM
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2. There are some quotable quotes - but I could never live by it.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:30 PM
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3. You need a hobby or sport
I think this post would do better with the Freeper fundies.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:38 PM
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4. it's meant to point out how outrageous their way of thinking is
I only wanted to research Judges because a previous thread spoke of how the fundies are passing around a DVD about how it is "code" for justified violence. I like to arm myself with knowledge - plus I don't have much to do at work - it is part time and I mostly sit on my butt in front of a computer, read news on the net and wander through DU.
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