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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:53 PM
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I have five questions about November 22, 1963.
1. Why did a 47-year-old drive the President and Governor of Texas and their wives, when you were not allowed to be older than 30 to drive the President?

2. Why did the vehicle make turn greater than 90 degrees, when it was not supposed to?

3. Why did the car slow down to running speed when it passed the School Book Depository, when the illegal turn onto the street had already been completed?

4. Why did it take ten whole minutes from when the shots rang out to when police sealed off the School Book Depository?

This last one is for the forty-first President of the United States:

5. Where were you, and what were you doing, at about 12:30 Central Time that day? Surely someone who was 39 years old should remember where they were when they heard about the death of the President of the United States.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:57 PM
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1. And to think that's not all that's fishy about 11/22/63...
The whole bullet trajectory/magic bullet thing ALONE is enough to reject the original findings, but there is so much more...you've just touched the tip of the iceberg.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:05 PM
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2. I'd love to see a CSI episode take this on. n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:06 PM
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3. The 39 year old you are directing that question to George H. W....
....Bush, and he says he hasn't a clue.

I was 21 at the time and I was doing some early Christmas shopping and took part of my lunch hour to browse at the area Sears Store. I was walking thought the TV department, thinking to myself, someday I'll have one of those huge 21" color TV's when the announcement came on on about twenty different TV screens all toned to CBS, the initial flash bulletin announcing that the president had been shot, but no details.

I quickly went to the toy department and bought a Lego building block set for my two year old son and walking back through the TV section, I heard and saw Walter Cronkite make that stunning announcement that John Kennedy had died. I chocked up just as Cronkite did. That was 42 years ago and it is still as clear as can be in my mind. I'll never forget that moment.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:09 PM
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7. My mom told me she was watching her soap opera
when Walter Cronkite broke in with the news.
The answer is...you cannot forget such a momentous event...unless you want to, or need to.
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:16 PM
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9. It was my 7th birthday
I had no idea who he was. My parents were distinctly non-political. A teacher came to our classroom to tell our teacher. Ruined my birthday. I felt so bad, I remember putting my head in my desk to cry. The grownups were all so upset, obviously something awful had happened.

I wrote an essay about it in '86 during my first attempt to go to college...I got the essay back the same day a teacher came to my chemistry class to tell our teacher that the Challenger had exploded.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:12 AM
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17. Life and its scary little ironies (nt)
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:10 PM
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23. I lived in N.H. at that time, and one of the teachers from my
father's school (he was a teacher) was runner up to go on the Challenger. We watched it on T.V. in the classroom. I was only 12 years old at the time, I remember it clearly though.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:36 AM
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18. I was 12 years old sitting in Miss Harris's English class
at Glasgow Intermediate School. My Dad picked me up for a dentist's appointment minutes after the announcement that the President had been shot. He was in his little Triumph Spitfire which didn't have a radio, so I told him of the shooting. We found out that JFK had died when we arrived at the dentist's office. I remember it like it was yesterday. George HW Bush is a liar.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:08 PM
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4. 6. Why did the bodyguards step down?
That's a question nobody answered either.

Why were they called away from the car. JFK didn't even notice it because it was happening behind him, but he was supposed to be protected by two bodyguards and they were called away.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:09 PM
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5. There was a post here on DU several weeks ago
about a letter GHW Bush sent upon learning of JFK's assasination. In it he points out someone he thought might be linked to the plot and described his encounter with the person.

You might also find this interesting: http://home.earthlink.net/~twainable/id18.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:14 PM
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8. It a thread started by BlueBear
Edited on Thu May-19-05 03:14 PM by DrDebug
Poppy Bush warned Kennedy not to come to Houston

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. George H. W. Bush, President of the Zapata Off-shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, (a "reputable businessman") telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.(which is only about an hour's drive from Dallas, TX)

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in the area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLENE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

-----
NOTE: Bush waited till after the assassination to disclose this information. Thirty years later the same James Parrott that Bush was implicated in the assassintion of JFK, is working on Bush's presidential campaign against Bill Clinton. Source: Bruce Adamson www.ciajfk.com/home4.html

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm for more information

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:37 PM
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11. Who? This guy?
Edited on Thu May-19-05 03:41 PM by Old and In the Way
<http://www.ciajfk.com/images/ghwb-2.htm>

Read this excellent thread archived on DU....lots of excellent info and links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2364632


Why is it that George HW Bush couldn't remember where he was on the day of Kennedy's assassination....but this memo shows that he obviously knew exactly where he was....or was this the alibi he needed?

11/23/63....the fall of Kennedy -> the rise of Bush. Coincidence? I think not.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:38 PM
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12. Bush wasn't involved in the CIA until he suddenly became Director
Remember that??
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:44 PM
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13. Right....
And there were no CIA boats used in the Bay of Pigs fiasco called: "Houston", "Barbara", and, "Zapata"

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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:09 PM
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6. If you can find a copy of the movie 'Executive Action' ...
.. it's worth a watch. It's sadly out of print but I transferred my Laserdisc copy to DVD-R long ago.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:33 PM
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10. I was 13 years old and I still remember my dad saying those damn
republicans killed him!
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:47 PM
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14. But wasn't it Johnson?
the VP who instigated the whole thing? What were the Bush connections exactly?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:21 PM
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15. There is a plethora of info on this....
just google JFK, and you'll find more than you could ever read. For a chronological history of the U$A, including JFK..this is a great site:

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu8.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:27 PM
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16. See the link I've posted
Contrary to the history books there are plenty of indication that George H.W. was already part of the CIA prior to him becoming Director. He can be linked to Dallas at the JFK assassination; he is connected with Bay of Pigs as mentioned above; he is connected with the CIA Drug war.

One thing is very clear. George H.W. Bush was a very important man within the CIA and had been involved for a long time. Read the link and you'll be amazed.

About the who did it? Just like 9/11 we will never know. All we have is a list of names who benefited a lot and who had prior knowledge and who can be linked.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:44 AM
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19. I Am Older Than 39...
I avoid these threads, just couldn't resist this one as I find the questions being framed in a 2005 context to apply to a far different world to be kinda like writing science fiction.

While I was only 7 years old on that day, I remember it very well (3rd Grade) and it was a very defining moment in my early life. I also remember how it affected my parents (my age at the time) and discussed it with them often over the years. There was a completely different mindset in this country at that time.

Truly...people were more trusting and didn't question in the way you're doing. Such "paranoia" (for the lack of better term) wouldn't have been thought of then just as who could have thought of a cellphone back in 1963 other than something out of a James Bond movie.

We also didn't have a connected world like the one we have now...or even the one from 20 years ago. Look at the archived TV coverage and you get a taste of how crude it was. Build into that that without minicams and remote equipment, news traveled far slower.

The first I heard about the shooting was on my way back to school from lunch (about 12:50 Central) and it was a rumor none of us believed. It wasn't until about 1:30 or so that it was confirmed Kennedy was indeed shot...and not until after 3 that he was pronounced dead. This wasn't as instantaneous as today and most people were lucky to be near a radio...few had TVs in their offices.

As for your questions. They are ones that will be asked endlessly, speculated endlessly, re-asked endless, re-speculated endlessly....
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:37 AM
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20. I think the answers to all 5 questions are
George H. W. Bush
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:40 AM
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21. Bingo!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:50 AM
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22. I remember..
It was 3 days before my 14th birthday, a Friday. I was at my Junior High, so we didn't know what was going on initially. A couple of kids had heard someone who had heard someone who said the president had been shot.

Shortly after 1 o'clock (I suspect just after the official announcement of his death had been made) there was an announcement over the loudspeaker. Surprise at being sent home early was the first response, then kids began responding like the adolescents that they were. Girls were crying, guys were trying to look like they were taking it in stride.. One guy said "I don't care, I'm a Republican" and I remember that he immediately got punched.

I lived in Massachusetts then, and everything came to a screeching halt. Families got together around the TV, which was now on non-stop (and remained on through the funeral - ON my birthday - which ticked me off at the time). This is when I discovered that John-John and I shared a birthday, though he was only little.

The drumbeat of the caisson procession still lurks in my subconscious and surfaces when big bad stuff happens.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:15 PM
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24. FBI knows where Poppy was. He TOLD them.
Within MINUTES of President Kennedy's murder, George Herbert Walker Bush was on the phone naming names:



SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:42 PM
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25. I remember when I was a kid .......
maybe in the 3rd or 4th grade I did a report on the JFK assassination, my intentions were to just tell the story as it was indoctrinated into the public. You know get a good grade, a three or 4 page paper covering the event. Stumbled across the conspiracy theories and the 'paper' ended up being about 12 or so pages. I've questioned 'everything' in this world since. :) Anyway strangely, My liberal teacher gave me an 'A' let me present my case in front of the class. It was f .... ing great. :bounce: some friends came back to me and said that their parents thought I was nuts after they told them about my report. I tried to pass the report on the next year when I had to do another paper for a grade (yea the lazy way out), got shot down big time, 'unacceptable' ..... to the views of that teacher. Live and learn. Question everything. Peace. :)
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