"'America' ceased on Dec 9 2000" -- ALL the CNM* covered it.

[understandinglife]

I was awakened and inspired today by two DUers, Protagoras "Outing myself as a Conservative" and LynnTheDem "The Case of the Missing US Media Headlines."

I finally realized the source of a ceaseless sensation of loss combined with danger, a sensation that began on the morning of December 9th, 2000 and was amplified significantly in the wee hours of November 3rd, 2004.

I realized that the source of those sensations is the reality that "America" is gone. I am now identified, internationally, as a citizen of an imperialistic, criminal, ruthless nation aggressively pursuing world domination.

It's what I think all those Democrats who stood together on the steps of the US Capitol must also know.

I now understand what it must have been like for many Germans at some point after August 2nd 1934 when they realized that "Germany" was gone.

As with the nazification of "Germany" during the years 1934 up to the beginning of WWII, since December 9, 2000 we have steadily undergone the neconification of "America."

As I responded to the 'confused and scared' Protagoras:

You awoke confused because you are in Bu$h's neoconster regime.

You are no longer in "America."

The past you describe, accurately, is the past.

You now live in a fristian-valued plutocracy that is building military installations from Tallil in Iraq, to multiple sites along the coast of Africa, to ...........

You now live in a rapidly expanding police state ....

You now live in a country that has authorized the torture of other humans, that has "detained" (aka imprisoned) countless individuals, without any form of due process, within the continental boundaries of Bu$h's regime.

You now live in Bu$h's regime.

You're not confused, you just didn't get the memo from homeland security informing you that "America" no longer exists.

We are, now, more than 4 years into the neoconification process. If we ever want to experience "America" again, we must indict and prosecute Bu$h and his fellow war criminals, NOW.

Reference links:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3685490

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3686694

*CNM = Corporate News Media

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day what we once called "America" will emerge.

[puebloknot]

1. We are being "boiled" slowly

Hello, UL.

As always, your articulation of where we stand as a nation is right on point. And as always seems to happen when tyrants take over a nation, the "shock and awe" is preceded by a period of quiet takeover. The old analogy of a frog in a pot of water, with a slowly rising temperature, not noticing until it's too late, seems apt here.

About a year ago I read the book "Defying Hitler," written in the 1940's, and stashed away until the author's son published it recently. It's an accounting of a young jurist's slowly-growing dismay over what Germany had become, and his decision, finally, to leave for England. I read the book with the eerie feeling that we are going through the same process, and America is, in general, just as asleep as the good citizens of Germany were before their own tragedy.

I, like many others, can't seem to settle into my life because I'm living with the feeling that disastrous change could occur at any moment. In fact, much of the disaster has already happened. It remains to be seen whether we will begin to have midnight knocks on the door and removals of those who are considered "undesirable."

I have even wondered of late what use the powers that be (for now) may decide to make of the many military bases which are being closed.

The labels change; the process remains the same. Yes, we must bring them to trial.

[understandinglife]

11. "...people came to adapt to living with clenched teeth, ..."

.... in a manner of speaking, rather than stand up in protest." In that climate, Haffner -- who left Germany just before World War II broke out -- suggests, Nazism was almost an inevitability, against which he, too, tried to withdraw into "a small, secure, private domain," like so many others of his time and place.

An important eyewitness account, Haffner's book deepens our understanding of how small missteps can lead to tragic ends, and how nations can be led into chaos. -- Gregory McNamee for amazon.com

Thank you. I'll read the book.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[puebloknot]

21. "...almost an inevitability..."

We have to focus on the "almost" in our country because there are many who believe that "Fristianity" is going to define our future, and resistance is futile!

Teeth clenching is not healthy for children and other living things.

[lonestarnot]

24. My molars are falling out!

[savannahana]

12. puebloknot,

thank you for this post.

<<The old analogy of a frog in a pot of water, with a slowly rising temperature, not noticing until it's too late, seems apt here.>>

this describes most of the people i know, personally; friends & family; i think you've found the most apt analogy for how things have gone this far, this fast, to hell

<<I, like many others, can't seem to settle into my life because I'm living with the feeling that disastrous change could occur at any moment. In fact, much of the disaster has already happened. It remains to be seen whether we will begin to have midnight knocks on the door and removals of those who are considered "undesirable.">>

it's been the same for me. i remember giving plain voice to these feelings -- that "much of the disaster has already happened" -- to the three people closest to me, those i trust most deeply, in November and December 2000. i think they thought i was over-reacting (to understate the case) at that time.

they don't think so any more.

thank you again for your messages.
ana

[puebloknot]

25. My friends, my daughter...

....also have felt I was a bit over-reactive when I said we had just been through a coup, when I watched the planes hit the towers and said, "This is not terrorism from without."

Most distressing to me is that a very close friend from Tel Aviv, who now lives in California, can't see what is happening -- and her father lost eight brothers and sisters in concentration camps in Poland. When I told her we are living in a police state, a few months ago, she thought I was being melodramatic, and felt that the tragedy of the Holocaust was of such magnitude that making such comparisons now is a bit insensitive. And I'm pretty sure she voted for Bush the second time around (but not the first).

I understand her great concern for the future of Israel, but she simply cannot grasp the level of fanaticism driving the right-wing Christians, and the fact that their interest in Israel is not what she would hope that it is.

So thank you, sister fanatic (or sister seer), for your comments.

[Protagoras]

32. I've faced the same people...who were sure I was a nutcase

when I first said...hmmm something smells fishy. I had a close friend who called himself "Liberal" openly condemn me for being a hater of my country when I showed him "channel surfing the apocalypse".

After a year of not speaking he suddenly wrote me an email saying "I'm sorry. You were right".

I didn't feel victory or redemption, but I did feel a bit of hope.


http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/redux.html for those interested in the flick.

[puebloknot]

34. Kindness....

...will be required of us, I guess, when those who criticized us have finally awakened. To paraphrase Gandhi (too tired to look up the quote), first they ridicule you, then they finally see the light.

Yes, there is hope when someone turns. Maybe we will reach critical mass and this post-coup gang will be held accountable.

[xxqqqzme]

49. My son & daughter, I am

certain, talked about how I was going off the deep end after I lectured them, in October '00, on what would happen if kookoobananas was 'elected'. I remember the entire conversation and the looks on their faces. They truly thought I was 'out there'.

Later, I tried 2 tell them that I was a likely target as I am a burden on the economy, probably labeled a 'non-productive' disabled person. They hate what is going on but have a surreal disconnect 2 all the implications. I don't know what 2 do.

Years ago, I had a friend whose mother was sent, as a child, 2 England because the parents feared what was happening in Germany. The parents sold everything and managed 2 get 2 France, then the US, where they were re-united w/ their children. I replay her story more and more and wonder if staying here is denial.

Terrorists? We don't need no stinking terorists, we have P-NACers.

[hiley]

95. Terrorists? We don't need no stinking terorists, we have P-NACers.

xxqqqzme,
exactly they are terrorists...

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and
torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html

29. the frog analogy is perfect

My father first told me the frog story when I told him (30 years ago) that I was going to work on Wall St. until I made my millions and then quit for a quieter life. And now I live in Kathmandu after working on the street for only 2+ years and being unable to stomach it.

I don't know how most people IN America feel/think these days. I think most Americans OUTSIDE of America see what is going on. Many of my friends can no longer read the news... cannot bare the learn the truth. Many are looking into alternative nationalities. I'm not kidding. The discussions we have are about how difficult it is to obtain NZ citizenship; how about France; what nationality could we possibly want? We worry horribly about bringing our children "home" for a summer holiday, and worse -- the D___T.

I feel such a sadness. I don't bother teaching my children about America. They recently heard the national anthem and had no idea what it was, asked why everyone was standing. I explained that it's the same as when we stand in the movie theater in Bangkok while the picture of the King is displayed and the Thai national anthem is played. They both, at less than 10 years of age, challenged me -- the Thai king is loved and respected so that's why everyone stands.

Sadness, fear and a sense of defeat. This last is the feeling that pains me most.

[puebloknot]

36. Expatriation

Hello. Thanks for your appreciation of the frog analogy. And thanks for telling us that Americans outside the country get what is going on.

I have had a *lot* of conversations with various people about what might be a good second home. I don't know how many countries are going to be eager to offer citizenship to Americans. We already bear the stigma that the German people had to live with after WWII, the idea that they were all complicit with the Nazis, that they were a brutal race, etc.

Yes, a sense of defeat. Reason seems to have gone to bed and turned out the light. And the degree of hostility I encounter when I leave the house is quite amazing. Those of all "religious" stripes who believe they have *the* truth have their radar at the ready and are not shy about expressing their views. How long will it be before they begin ratting on those who have a different view?

Be happy in Kathmandu!

[Just Me]

2. I try to think of her as having been hijacked and locked in a closet.

Even Hitler and his Nazis couldn't keep "Germany" locked away forever.

My prayer, that these vicious neoCONs are stopped before matters get much more worse.

They are egregious traitors to America and her people!! They are war criminals and should be banned to a prison, their faces never shown again.

[puebloknot]

28. "Germany"

Hello.

My father was in the military, and I lived in Germany for three years, ten years after the end of the war. I've always had to do that thing they say is so hard to accomplish -- hold two contrasting ideas in my mind at once: 1) I loved the German people; 2) I heard all of my childhood that there was something deficient in the German character which caused them to do the terrible things they did in the war, that they were too conditioned to be followers.

Now, the world is looking at America, and examining what it is in *our* character that causes us to let history repeat itself on our own soil.

[cyberpj]

31. Hello. And welcome to DU

Your thoughts are appreciated.

If I had to answer that last question I would say it was a loss of interest, education and participation in our own government. We have become either too comfortable, ignorant or distracted with regard to our leaders and their activities. Most likely all of the above.

Welcome to DU :hi:

[puebloknot]

37. Yes, all...

...of the above. Real education and early religious conditioning do not do well together.

Thank you for the welcome. Nice talking with all of you.

[EFerrari]

3. kick this quiet piece of sanity

:kick:

[EFerrari]

4. and another kick because

we're all enjoying the filibuster. But tomorrow, we'll have to deal with the nazification of our nation.

UnderstandingLife understands that. Check it out.

:kick:

[satya]

5. Kick. n/t

[leftofthedial]

6. 2000 was a coup

the corporate media is part of "them"

[savannahana]

7. kick for all the people who got the memo

a long time ago....

The Priests of The Golden Bull


Who brought the bomb wrapped up in business cards
and stained with steak?
Who hires a maid to wash his money?
Who keeps politicians on the take?

Who puts outspoken third worlders in jail
just to shut them down?
Oh the lies vary from place to place
but the truth is still the same
even in this town

Money junkies all over the world
trample us on their way to the bank
They run in every race
Windego

Third Worlders see it first
The dynamite, the dozers
the cancer and the acid rain
The corporate caterpillars come into
our backyards,
and turn the world to pocket change

Reservations are the nuclear frontline
Uranium poisoning kills
We're starving in a handful of gluttons
We're drowning in their gravy spills

Their tongues are silver forks
There's a lack of wisdom :sarcasm:
you can hear it on their breath
Windego

It's delicate confronting these priests of the golden bull
They preach from the pulpit of the bottom line
Their minds rustle with million dollar bills

They say silver burns a hole in your pocket
and gold burns a hole in your soul
Uranium burns a hole in forever
It just gets out of control

There was a crooked man who walked a crooked mile
He raised a crooked sixpence to hide a crooked style
He won a crooked vote
and he smiled a crooked smile
Windego

Their tongues are silver forks
There's a lack of wisdom :sarcasm:
you can hear it on their breath
Windego

- Buffy Sainte-Marie
from "Coincidence and Likely Stores" 1992

thank you, UL

nominated

[Raksha]

58. Thank you for posting the lyrics to that song.

Buffy Sainte-Marie is one of my heroines.

[savannahana]

63. "Buffy Sainte-Marie is one of my heroines."

as she is one of mine, since I was about 15.
long time ago.


this one may have a place here, too.

BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE


Indian legislation on the desk of a
do-right Congressman
Now, he don't know much about the issue
so he picks up the phone and he asks advice
from the
Senator out in Indian country
A darling of the energy companies who are
ripping off what's left of the reservations.
Huh

I learned a safety rule
I don't know who to thank
Don't stand between the reservation and the
corporate bank
They send in federal tanks
It isn't nice but it's reality

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Deep in the Earth
Cover me with pretty lies
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee. Huh

They got these energy companies who want
the land
and they've got churches by the dozen
want to
guide our hands
and sign our Mother Earth over to pollution,
war, and greed
Get rich...get rich quick

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Deep in the Earth
Cover me with pretty lies
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee. Huh

We got the federal marshals
We got the covert spies
We got the liars by the fire
We got the FBIs
They lie in court and get nailed
and still Peltier goes off to jail

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Deep in the Earth
Cover me with pretty lies
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee. Huh

My girlfriend Annie Mae talked about
uranium
Her head was filled with bullets
and her body dumped
The FBI cut off her hands and told us
she'd died of exposure

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Deep in the Earth
Cover me with pretty lies
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee. Huh

We had the Goldrush Wars
Didn't we learn to crawl
and still our history gets written
in a liar's scrawl
They tell ya
"Honey you can still be an Indian
d-d-d down at the Y
on Saturday nights"

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Deep in the Earth
Cover me with pretty lies
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee

- BUFFY SAINTE-MARIE
from "Coincidence and Likely Stories" 1992

I am a part of this creation as you are,
no more and no less than
each and every one of you
within the sound of my voice.

I am the generation
of generations before me
and the generations to come...

I am not a citizen of the United States
or a ward of the Federal Government,
neither am I a ward of the Canadian Government.

I have a right to continue
my cycle in this Universe undisturbed

- ANNA MAE PICTOU (AQUASH), MICMAC

quoted from
WHO WOULD UNBRAID HER HAIR: the legend of annie mae
by Antoinette Nora Claypoole
Anam Cara Press, Bethel, Vermont, 1999

thank you for your post, Raksha :hi:

peace

[Raksha]

64. Thank YOU, savannahana!

I'm going to save all these lyrics.

[savannahana]

65. here's a way for you, Raksha

smudge, friend, and enjoy :loveya:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Buffy+Sainte-Marie%22+%2B+%22lyrics%22&btnG=Google+Search

("emma lee" here right now..."starwalker" next up)

[annabanana]

8. nominated

[merh]

9. 1629

:cry:

[jhain]

10. Thanks, I needed that.

Had an Epiphany of sorts today when I ran into a friend and realized I had not seen them all Winter.
Well, yeah, that is because I have seen just about no one since November...
Tried to keep my distance from all bushbots ( this person 'just wasn't sure' about voting for Kerry).
My Mother always said, "if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all."

I can't say anything nice.

This rings so true:
********
I finally realized the source of a ceaseless sensation of loss combined with danger, a sensation that began on the morning of December 9th, 2000 and was amplified significantly in the wee hours of November 3rd, 2004.
************

Again, thanks for writing it.
-Jude

[dzika]

13. This is reality. Nominated.

Most citizens of this country are living in a dream.

To put it another way, the number of people who realize the reality that UL has described are statistically irrelevant.

For practical purposes, *all* citizens of this country are living in a dream of yesterday.

[EFerrari]

14. kick for truth

:kick:

[understandinglife]

15. What to do?

Firstly, stop allowing the neoconsters to set the agenda.

Secondly, get out of the 'trees'; climb a hill and take a look at 'the forest.'

Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi need to lead all just and honest members of Congress out of the US Capitol and refuse to return until the following issues are under independent legal review:

1. The process by which Mr Bush started his war with Iraq;

2. A full disclosure of all materials related to 9/11 and a full investigation as demanded by Ms Sibel Edmonds and others;

3. A full investigation of the "national election of 2004";

4. A full investigation of all detentions without due process since 9/11 and a full investigation of all aspects of Mr Bush's torture policies and practices;

5. A full investigation of all Iraqi monies and other valuable resources that have not been accounted since Mr Bush began his occupation of Iraq on March 19th 2003.

By acting in the following manner we would have full and ample opportunity to bring to the attention of every citizen the extent to which neoconification has rendered their notion of "America" an entity of the past.

Anything short of a dramatic hill climb, a willingness to establish a vantage from which all can clearly see what has happened to "America" will ensure that the typical outcome of every past dishonest and repressive regime is soon to be an experience "Americans" never imagined happening to them.

This ain't the movies; this ain't a computer game. We now live in a neoconified sham of a democracy; an imperialistic regime gobbling and ravaging anything it desires.

A peaceful, legal resolution can only happen if honest and just members of the US Congress halt business-as-usual and begin the business of working with all of us to re-build "America."

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[understandinglife]

26. Ms Molly Ivins demands --- "Get your minds around it."

Among other things, "Our conuntry is guilty of torture."

Those words of Ms Ivins could not be clearer -- it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY. She continues:

"What are you going to do about this? It's your country, your money, your government. You own this country, you run it, you are the board of directors. They are doing this in your name. The people we elected to public office do what you want them to. Perhaps you should get in touch with them."

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

I'm urging that we not only 'get in touch with them' but we tell them NO MORE business-as-usual.

Step up a level and see the situation for what it is. "America" was destroyed, from within, while you ran from tree to tree chasing neoconster butterflies.


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[puebloknot]

30. *OUR* mission not accomplished....

....until we hold them accountable.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Tigress DEM]

80. I lkie everything you want to get accomplished here...

I simply think that with the swell of Outrage that is growing and growing that even if we are the minority group facing the majority, we still have more power on the Senate Floor to get this done than if they walk out. If they walk out there is no opposition and they don't have to go nuclear, just blame the DEMS for abandoning us.

I don't see any reason why these aren't resonable demands to be made concurrently with whopping their asses on the filibuster and judge issues.

Other things are coming up that may lead to impeachment, which would be a great forum for these topics to be dealt with seriously.

I would add that we need to get the goods on Cheney and Hassert too. I want full disclosure on Cheney's deal with Enron and Co because I think there will be information there to support his involvement in the oil for food scandal.

[bpilgrim]

83. excellent ideas

thank you :toast:

peace

[Time for change]

84. It sure would be great if all of your recommendations came to pass

But do you believe that there are enough honest and just members of the U.S. Congress to make (or even allow) that to happen? I fear that election fraud in 2000, 2002, and 2004 has taken care of that possibility.

Sorry to be such a downer.

[alfredo]

88. Zappa warned us

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
~ Frank Zappa, 1977

[alfredo]

89. Zappa warned us

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
~ Frank Zappa, 1977

[cyberpj]

16. Each open person you can talk to on an ongoing basis

can come around to the Truth when it's presented.

Not drunks.

Or Fundamentalist Religionists.

But that leaves a lot of people who just don't understand yet.

I feel what you feel.

It's Truth.

And once felt it's undeniable.

Remember it's this very Internet that is keeping us informed.

Keep talking.

Sending you peace and love to remind you.......

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

[savannahana]

18. thank you for those words of Gandhi

i needed to read this again tonight:

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi


thank you for your very wise words, too, cyberpj
glad you are here with us

peace and love to you

[cyberpj]

23. Sharing one more Gandhi reminder for us all,

then it's off to yoga to work on putting a little more peace out there into the Force...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi

[understandinglife]

27. I am grateful you are with us and thank you for your insights. (nt)

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[jukes]

17. kick n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

19. thank you for reminding me that I am not alone

that I am not paranoid
that I am not delusional
I wish I was.

[merh]

33. I'm with you.

I wish I was delusional.

The truth breaks my heart. :cry:

[Catherine Vincent]

20. And another kick!

:kick:

[lonestarnot]

22. We have a daily fire sale on our sovereignty to China...

[raysr]

35. I listen to Malloy

every nite and I sense the desperation in his voice. It is, you all must know by now, over, there's no way back. They've taken control, with 40+% of the population blindly following them we can't turn it around. And even if we could, it'll be years before all the damage that has been done is found.
The only people that can save us are the blacks. Think about the 60's, MLK turned the country on it's white-ass head and got civil rights for his people (sort-of) back and brought more attention to the war than almost anything. The blacks know what to do when the shit get's too deep (LA and Rodney King) and they're not afraid to do what it takes.

[puebloknot]

38. Malloy

Hi.

I listen to Mike Malloy sometimes, too. He is concerned about raising his children and grandchildren here now. Many are having those thoughts, but now people are talking more openly about it. Where, though, do we go to get away from the long arm of fascism?

I agree with you that black people have shown incredible courage in fighting for their rights. I fear, however, that their long struggle may not add up to "knowing what to do," in the face of a juggernaut that cares to enslave *all* of us, regardless of skin color.

MLK was courageous, and if you can accept information which has come out fairly recently, he was a victim of state-sponsored assassination. I suspect that black people are just as afraid as the rest of us about the future of this country -- maybe, given our racist history, more so.

I think that the only people who can save us are all of us, united in determination to take back our country.

[tofubo]

78. stand up and fight

they can't kill all of us

(not to say they won't try, but they can't)

[EFerrari]

39. kick

[Nothing Without Hope]

40. We MUST impeach the criminal fascist gang that has stolen our nation and

is spreading its murderous violence and greed throughout the world in our name.

And the corparate media are complicit. Watch the devastating documentary Orwell Rolls In His Grave online here;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8560.htm
Every concerned citizen should watch this, and every citizen who is not yet concerned ENOUGH has even a stronger imperative to watch it.

Recommended. :thumbsup: Thanks for this, UL.

[Warren Stupidity]

42. we can't impeach diddly-squat

Without a majority in the house and senate there will be no impeachment or trial of this administration. With their control of the media and their propensity for electoral fraud, regaining control of either house of congress is going to be very difficult.

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this to happen.

[xxqqqzme]

50. I have heard that

repeated again & again. I know we can't impeach w/o the numbers but if there was ever a president that should be impeached, we got him now!

I have started my own, one woman campaign. Everyday, since the Downing Street memo emerged, I have sent the same email 2 my idiot congress person - dana whorbacher (I win - I have the worst rep). It says simply, "When do impeachment proceedings, against the current president, begin?' Everyday, everyday, everyday...the same message.

I would like for others 2 join me, especially if they have rong wing neo-con reps as I do. But if no one does, that's fine too. My message is out there traveling thru the ether and I feel better.


find your reps email here:
http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm

[Warren Stupidity]

54. OK I'm with you on that.

It is going to take a lot of brave determined and even foolhardy people, willing to attempt the improbable, ultimately willing to risk everything, before we see the end of this.

I just wanted to be sure you had your feet on the ground and knew where you were standing.

[Andy_Stephenson]

86. Impeach him and get who

Cheney? The line of succession is not very promising.

Short of open revolt what are we to do?

[understandinglife]

61. Paul C Roberts: "George W. Bush and his gang of neocon warmongers...

..... have destroyed America’s reputation. It is likely to stay destroyed, because at this point the only way to restore America’s reputation would be to impeach and convict President Bush for intentionally deceiving Congress and the American people in order to start a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States.

America can redeem itself only by holding Bush accountable.

As intent as Republicans were to impeach President Bill Clinton for lying about a sexual affair, they have a blind eye for President Bush’s far more serious lies. Bush’s lies have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people, injured and maimed tens of thousands more, devastated a country, destroyed America’s reputation, caused 1 billion Muslims to hate America, ruined our alliances with Europe, created a police state at home, and squandered $300 billion dollars and counting.

<snip>

Why isn’t Bush in the dock? Has American democracy failed at home?

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi

Paul Craig Roberts is the John M. Olin fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, a research fellow at the Independent Institute, and senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution. (Oh, and he is definitely not a 'liberal.')

Peace.


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[Nothing Without Hope]

68. I agree completely with what he says. Thanks, UL!

And did you see in this thread where Galloway defended the American people from blanket condemnation by citing the emails he had received - especially those from none other than Democratic Underground?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697411
Thread title: “He likes us, he really, really likes us! (Galloway)”

It isn't impeachment, but it is encouraging to see some signs that the rest of the world doesn't hate ALL of us. I wonder how many of them know that the last two presidential elections were stolen?

But they will hate us all if we don't remove that criminal gang from power. Little Scottie McClellan said earlier this week that there was "no need" for the WH to respond to the letter to Bush from the 89 congress members who demanded a response to the Downing St Memo:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3693196
Thread title: Scott McClellan: "no need" to respond to the Democratic letter on UK memo

They aren't even bothering to try to rebut the evidence - they're just going to stonewall and depend on media suppression and short attention span.

[Q]

41. I started a thread the other day...

...entitled: Weapons in Space - The Bushies ARE insane.

I realize that the US has been talking about putting (defensive?) weapons in space for some time now and have already spent billions of dollars on it...but it was quite shocking to read about it being just weeks or months away from finally becoming reality. The military is simply waiting for a 'directive' from the president. No public or congressional debate...just a signature from one man and the future of the world will forever be altered. There were few responses to that thread and mostly from those who already 'knew' what was really happening.

I remember back to the 2000 election. Even at the time I had called it a 'coup d'état'. It was obvious that a small group of wealthy, powerful men had orchestrated the takeover of our government with the help of their 'friends' in just the right places. Jeb Bush, Harris, American media and the 'supreme' court being among the major players. The stunning thing about it was that they were able to pull it off in broad daylight with the whole world watching.

But the most amazing and disturbing part was that the Democratic leadership cooperated as if this were simply a 'bad election' with lots of 'mistakes' that could somehow be rectified with the next election or the next. We were told to 'move on' by Republicans and Democrats alike and were called 'conspiracy theorists' if we even brought up the subject. The ONLY group of elected Democrats that stood against this coup was the CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.

Then came 9-11. It was shocking and surreal. No one wanted to believe that those who had taken power would then use the death of 3000 for political gain and to solidify their power base. It was then that many of us finally realized just how ruthless they were.

I was among a small group on DU that predicted that the 2004 election would be stolen. We knew that it would be even easier for them than in 2000 because they had a system in place that would work with a bought-off free press and a gullible, frightened electorate.

That brings us to the present reality. The Democratic leadership has given up any pretense of opposing the Bush Doctrine of 'preemptive war', torture or needless death and destruction. Worse...many rank and file Democrats are convinced that in order to 'win' back the majority...all we have to do is act tougher than the Bush junta and promise to kill more 'terrorists'.

I'm among those who think it's too late to stop the boulder rolling down the mountainside. Our only hope now is to convince the few remaining patriots left in our government to SHUT IT DOWN and begin demanding investigations and resignations. We shouldn't have to wait until 2008 to realize what's in front of our eyes right now. Representative government and Democracy are dead. Long live the 'other' United States of America.

[understandinglife]

43. "We shouldn't ..wait until 2008 to realize what's in front of our eyes..."

Indeed.

Thank you for an excellent post and for being so precise as to what we must do now.

Peace.


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[puebloknot]

47. How many stolen elections....

....will it take for the public to see that staging another one is just playing cat and mouse with us?

Thank you for a concise and articulate message here. After Selection 2004, I attended a Moveon.org meeting and was just blown away when the speaker for the evening stood up and said, "We can win in 2006." There was just sort of a shrug of the shoulders in the room about the theft of yet another presidential election.

I think we need to begin a concentrated call and mail campaign to convince the likely remaining patriots to do exactly what you've said: SHUT IT DOWN.

What if we inundated the "likely suspects" with postcards (like, with a stamp that you lick) and phone calls, praising their courage and asking for more of it?

Fantasizing over a future election in which we'll begin to make inroads is a fool's game, in my view.

[Andy_Stephenson]

87. I was in the minority with you Q

stating the 04 election would be stolen...and I am saying now 06 and 08 are in going to be stolen as well. The time has come for all good me to come to the aid of their country.

[chlamor]

44. Kick

" ... the United States, for generations, has sustained two parallel but opposed states of mind about military atrocities and human rights: one of U.S. benevolence, generally held by the public, and the other of ends-justify-the-means brutality sponsored by counterinsurgency specialists. Normally the specialists carry out their actions in remote locations with little notice in the national press. That allows the public to sustain its faith in a just America, while hard-nosed security and economic interests are still protected in secret. ": Robert Parry, investigative reporter and author

[understandinglife]

46. "That allows the public to sustain its faith in a just America, while ...

.... hard-nosed security and economic interests are still protected in secret."

Yes, those were the days when "America" still existed. When "Americans" decided they could watch a court stop the votes being counted in a national election, when they decided they could watch a President start a war without legal or Constitutional authority, when they watched an extraordinary array of pictures of humans being tortured, well not only did the 'innocence' of "Americans" dissipate, but the notion of "America" ceased.

We are now servants to a brutal imperialistic plutocracy and no one can pretend that they can't find the facts, even in the CNM, of how "America" ceased being a Constitutional, compassionate democracy.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day what we once called "America" will emerge.

[understandinglife]

45. On the 'draft." It will happen. It will not be 'fair.'

I speculate that they will go after the unemployed who have at least a high school degree, first. They will also go after folk with a variety of skills - construction, medicine, computing/communications.

In other words, I think it will be selective conscription and not merely a 'lottery.' I think they will have ample mechanisms to insulate the rich from conscription without resorting to 'college deferment, professional school deferment' mechanisms.

Get used to it -- "America" has ceased and Bu$h's neoconster regime has absolutely nothing restraining them from conscripting any person based on whatever parameter(s) they decide to use.

Thus, I think it quite likely that individuals identified as being in 'the opposition' and individuals who have been identified as 'gay, transgender, pagan, non-fristian religious, ........' are also likely to be selectively conscripted.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day what we once called "America" will emerge.

[Greenbeard]

48. One difference between us and Nazi Germany

We Will Resist!

It may take a while because ultimately most of still believe that our system is strong enough to make it through this crisis and come away stonger. At least we hope so.

However, if our brothers and sisters start being rounded up and taken away I believe the "Sleeping Giant" will finally wake up. True American patriots are a peaceful bunch but you can only push us so far............

[understandinglife]

51. Perhaps. We will likely soon know.

Thank you for your post.

Please do focus on the fact that the nazification of Germany happened over years -- a slow, steady application of propaganda. When "good Germans" awoke it was too late.

Peace.


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[understandinglife]

55. ”The fighters are just local people who refuse to be treated like dogs,”

Just one example of how effective the Bu$h neoconster propaganda machine is:

The U.S. military has made no statement on civilian casualties, but witnesses say scores of innocent Iraqis were killed.

The city centre ”has been almost completely destroyed,” the director of Al-Qa'im hospital Dr. Hamdi Al-Alusi told Al-Jazeera television. He said the casualties included many women, children and elderly people, and appealed to humanitarian organisations to intervene quickly.

”Ambulances were prevented from moving and the medical teams have left the city centre because it has been destroyed,” Al-Alusi said during the siege. Water and electricity networks have been destroyed and ”there are scores of wounded people and scores of victims who cannot reach the hospital or anywhere else. We pray to god and implore the whole world to look into what happened to Al-Qa'im and adjacent cities."

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000244.php#more

Peace.


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[understandinglife]

52. An email from Dahr Jamail's Iraqi friend, Abu Talat

"Thank you Americans (those who believe that American troops are destroying Iraq). Those who believe that facts cannot be hidden with chicken mesh. Who believe they have no right to put ideas in the minds of people of a civilized country, a country in which civilization began before the United States existed. Those people who know that democracy is not given, it is obtained. Who know that Iraqis are people who have to live just like any nation. Who believe that we are no different in the ability of our minds because God made us all so you cannot force us to have the ideas of others unless we accept it after we are fully contented. Those people of the world who raise their voices against colonialism, control, force, the invading of other countries… I thank them, I encourage them, and I ask God to save them.

"Other people of the world who are not on these ethics, who don't implement those ideas, I call them to look around themselves, to awaken themselves, to put themselves in our position. To face what we face, to remember that they don't accept in any way to be insulted, nor to be threatened or killed like what is happening in my country by the invaders. I ask God to spare any difficulty from their country rather than being invaded.

"…Is there anyone in the world who can accept to be killed? Or detained for no reason? Is there any of you who can accept to be put in the situation we are facing, to see their houses crashed or demolished, ended, to see your people treated with no respect, to have guns aimed at them wherever they go, to live without electricity when you used to have it, to see roads closed… whether they will live until tomorrow under a normal life, these are, my friends, just a few things to be told.

"So please tell your friends and people to raise their voices to pull the troops out from invaded Iraq. Seeking that God helps Iraqis to bare the situation done by the troops of the invaders."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2619_

Peace.


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[xxqqqzme]

53. kick - good discussion

going

[Raksha]

56. Good post, but "neoconification" is an awkward word.

So why not call it what it is: The nazification of America?

[understandinglife]

57. But, it is accurate, as was "nazification" in its time and place.

And, I personally do not find one term harder to pronounce than the other.

The framework for what destroyed America is the PNAC doctrine, as you know. Thus, let's call the process what it is, neoconification.

Thank you for your post and I look forward to continuing the discussion with you.

Peace.


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[Raksha]

59. I don't want to argue with you, least of all quibble over terms.

Not when we're both on the same side and fighting a common enemy.

[understandinglife]

60. Most excellent! Thank you.

Peace.


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[understandinglife]

62. Suppressing truth. Galloway's testimony scrubbed from Senate website.

From Brad Blog

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001407.htm



Cross-posting the screenshot to ensure it is archived here at DU.

Peace.


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[Nothing Without Hope]

69. Yup, they're in suppression mode all right. What are precedents for

removing testimony from the Senate site? Is this as unusual and revealing as it seems? Is Orwellian history adjustment a common occurrence at the Senate site these days?

In the meantime, here are some dandy Galloway links. Grab some popcorn and cheer him on again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1793291&mesg_id=1793291
Thread title: “Absolutely WONDERFUL George Galloway entry at Wikipedia - fave quotes”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3672646
Thread title: “MSNBC: UK's Galloway blisters US policy on Iraq - (VIDEO and AUDIO)”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1789359#1789452
Thread title: “Looks like entire Galloway testimony is posted (Video)”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3674986
Thread title: “GALLOWAY TRANSCRIPT HERE”

AND GALLOWAY LIKES DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND TOO!!!!:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697411
Thread title: “He likes us, he really, really likes us! (Galloway)”

[understandinglife]

71. They will not succeed. We will not allow it to happen. Great list of refs!

Peace.


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[DanCa]

66. Captain America

I finally understand the whole captain america comic book concept.
Here is a guy who stood for everything that was decent and right and than gets blown into a frozen time stream. I dont know if it matters to you but I refuse to give in to this new wave of selfish paranioa. Of course what do I know I sometimes think that rasslin' on the tv is on the up and up - sarcasam :)

[Dragonfli]

67. My Dear Wife The Artist

Kim, my best friend as well as partner, does not follow the issues as closely as do I.

Still, She penned and colored her conception of what she "saw" in one of my rants (poor dear has to put up with allot of those)

She is the most intuitive person I know. More so, since she started her battle with cancer. I have decided to use her cartoon as the backdrop for an article on the P.N.A.C. and their swift and ruthless rise to power in America.

I do believe however that what she expresses in her art is deeper and more meaningful than anything I could ever write, no matter how factually correct or logically compelling.

[understandinglife]

70. I urge you to post Kim's depicition of the truth in a separate DU thread.

Please notify me when you do so I can nominate it and spread it as far as possible.

"Be the Bush Opposition," in_deed, 24/7.

Thank you!


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[Dragonfli]

73. Thank You

I know Kim will be flattered by your suggestion. But alas, posting a new thread is not among my board options just yet. She is not an intellectual property type of gal however(she does not consider her art to be a possession), because of this you may use her image freely as long as you don't deface it or take her Sig off of it. You can upload a high rez Tiff of the image here - High Rez
Try not to link to the high rez too much (I only get about 10 gigs a month transfer on that site).

Thanks again for praising her work, I can't wait to tell her I am not the only one who appreciates her vision, she will, as I said ,feel quite flattered.

[understandinglife]

76. Let's not rush. When you reach sufficient posts at DU to create your...

...own thread, then do so. In the meantime, I'll just send a link to your comment, here, and urge folk to view it.

You may also want to share this with Kim (by the way, my wife is a wonderful artist, as well):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3699246&mesg_id=3699246

We have much to do to stop the atrocities and rebuild "America."

Peace.


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[Nothing Without Hope]

72. This is GREAT!!! UL's right - It definitely should have its own thread.

I can see it spread around the net - everyone will love it because it expresses the truth so well.

What we have to do is REVERSE thaat tunnel.

Which is weirdly like the concept of a painting that has been popping into my head a lot lately - something with a Kokopelli-like figure leading unhappy, lost people from a gray land towards dawn and color - very similar. Something's in the air, it seems!

To your partner:
:hug: and thank you! :yourock:

[Dragonfli]

74. Collective Unconscious Perhaps?

As I said she is the most intuitive person I know.

BTW Kokopelli and his flute are always welcome here. We have an image of him right next to Pan. (they seem to like each other)

[Nothing Without Hope]

75. Yeah, I don't think Jung would be surprised.

Pan and Kokopelli do have some things in common all right.

I think we should follow these "collective unconscious" urges and turn out some art that can inspire and energize us and the people we are trying to reach. The best is much stronger than words.

Good night!
:hi:

ed:typos (proof that it's past bedtime)

[EFerrari]

77. You better mind your wife or we'll steal her.

:)

[understandinglife]

79. Glimpses of the handiwork of war criminal and atrocity-maestro Bu$h

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3699246&mesg_id=3699246

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - MNA Day 3 has arrived

[understandinglife]

81. Laura Bu$h gets a dose of reality. More on the way, Laura; much more.

Laura Bush leaving after encountering protesters at the Western Wall.

Laura Bush Faces Jewish and Muslim Protesters in Jerusalem

By CHRISTINE HAUSER
Published: May 22, 2005
Jewish and Muslim protesters heckled Laura Bush, who is on a five-day good-will mission to the Middle East, when she toured religious sites in Jerusalem's Old City today, ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/international/middleeast/22cnd-laura.html

Psst.Psst. Laura -- no statute of limitations on murder and other crimes against humanity. NO ONE CAN PARDON the atrocity-maestro husband of yours.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Tragically on the path to MNA Day 4

[understandinglife]

82. 9/11 most definitely did not change everything. Great summary, here:

http://news.globalfreepress.com/images/bush/

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Tragically on our way to MNA Day 4

[understandinglife]

85. Scott Ritter: "failure of US lawmakers to ...(apply) the rule of law."

In the Belly of the Beast{/b]
by Scott Ritter

This is a man who, back in 2002, had the courage to stand up to Blair and George Bush, calling Blair a liar and declaring that both were behaving like "wolves" towards Iraq. For speaking the truth, he was castigated, thrown out of the Labour party and smeared with false allegations of corruption - at the same time as the US government hid its role in enriching Saddam Hussein's government with illegal kickbacks. He has now charged back, winning a parliamentary seat previously controlled by the very party that evicted him.

And now the same man has done something that no other British politician has been brave enough to do: cross the Atlantic and confront the United States over the lies spread about the reasons for war with Iraq, the oil for food agreement and the failure of US lawmakers to do their own job when it comes to the rule of law.

George Galloway, the politician in question, stared down the US Senate subcommittee on homeland security and government affairs, and its notoriously partisan chairman Norm Coleman, and blasted as totally unfounded the committee's allegations that he had profited from oil vouchers in exchange for his anti-war stance. He emerged from the hearing victorious. If only more politicians, British and American alike, were able to display such courage in the face of the atmosphere of neoconservative intimidation prevalent in Washington these days.

more at the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5198910-103677,00.html
DU Thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1800231#

For those needing a reminder of the consequences of our (s)elected leadership not acting within the rule of law:


http://mindprod.com/iraq.html (be prepared; atrocities are not pretty and these are the remains of what once were living persons --Bu$h's "culture of life" in all its manifestations.)

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Tragically on the way to MNA Day 4

[understandinglife]

90. Time to form the "Restore America Party" -- RAP!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3713254#3713345

Peace.

[understandinglife]

91. And, here is why we need RAP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3714853&mesg_id=3716060

Peace.


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[understandinglife]

92. Frist didn't even wait 24 hours. (nt)

Time to get serious and start RESTORING "America" - we've passed our "Neville Chamberlain" moment in less than 24 hours.

Peace.

[LightningFlash]

93. The worst part of knowing its alive and well.....

Is knowing we let this evil demonic force to take control without hardly blinking. We did not rise up and move them out, we came out in limited numbers and barely fought back.

The ones who engaged the fraud are now supremely scared of being found out, but we have in fact helped them by trying to turn off the truth. The truth that fascist-based religion extremists have taken our democracy, and our voting and completely squandered it.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/11489971.htm

But as history will know, the double edged sword always bounces back.

[understandinglife]

94. "But as history will know, the double edged sword always bounces back.

Thank you and, it is for us to ensure that instead of the other edge of the sword, we use our intellect and our deep commitment to the law and to nonviolence to rebuild America in an unprecedented manner -- peacefully, irrespective of how tempting it would be to vaporize the tyrants.


Let's RAP!