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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:16 AM
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ACLU: U.S. Soldier Instructed Iraqi Detainee to Dig Own Grave
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ALL, NOTICE "ACCORDING TO ARMY DOCUMENTS"

U.S. Soldier Instructed Iraqi Detainee to Dig Own Grave, According to New Army Documents

Documents Indicate Soldiers Used Religious Icons to Degrade Muslim Detainees, ACLU Says

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 19, 2005

NEW YORK -- New documents released by the Department of Defense reveal more cases of abuse including mock executions and use of a religious symbol to taunt detainees, the American Civil Liberties Union said today.

“While the White House blames Newsweek magazine for damaging America’s reputation in the Muslim world, the Army’s own investigations show systemic abuse and humiliation of Muslim men by U.S. forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay,” said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. “If we are to truly repair America’s standing, the Bush Administration must first hold accountable high-ranking officials who allow the continuing abuse and torture of detainees.”

Almost 2,000 pages of Army documents were released Tuesday in response to a federal court order that directed the Defense Department and other government agencies to comply with a request under the Freedom of Information Act filed by the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans for Peace. The New York Civil Liberties Union is co-counsel in the case.

The latest documents include medical records and several hundred pages relating to Army investigations into abuse of Iraqi and Afghan detainees and civilians by U.S. forces. One investigation into abuses at Rifles Base in Ramadi, Iraq details an incident in July 2003 in which an Army captain took an Iraqi welder into the desert, told him to dig his own grave, verbally threatened to kill him and had other soldiers stage a shooting of the man.

In a separate incident uncovered in the Rifles Base investigation, the driver and passenger of an Iraqi fire truck were detained for failing to turn off the truck’s headlights. Multiple soldiers reported that a captain kicked the detainees, threatened to kill them, and held a pistol to the head of one of the detainees, even though the detainees did not offer resistance of any kind. The detainees were released later that evening.

One document released indicates that a soldier at an internment facility in Iraq “wrongfully display the symbolic of the ‘Star of David,’” threatened a detainee, and was “very disrespectful in gestures, which in turn insulted the Arabs that were present at the time.” This latest document supports detainees’ accounts that American soldiers routinely used religious symbols to degrade and humiliate them. In a lawsuit brought by the ACLU and Human Rights First against Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, one Iraqi detainee charged that soldiers taunted him by having a military dog pick up the Koran in its mouth. Another Iraqi detainee claimed that soldiers threw the Koran on the floor and stepped on it. In addition, in a set of documents released by the FBI in response to the ACLU’s FOIA in December, a Guantánamo detainee alleged that a guard told him he beat him because the guard was a Christian and the detainee was a Muslim.

“The government’s own documents describe literally hundreds of instances in which prisoners have been abused by U.S. military and intelligence personnel,” said ACLU Staff Attorney Jameel Jaffer. “In light of what the documents show, it is simply astounding that senior military and civilian officials still have not been held accountable.”

Additional records released this week include:

· An Army document dated December 30, 2003 stating that three Army personnel received administrative punishments -- rather than criminal sanctions -- for abuse of Iraqi detainees. A Master Sergeant was found guilty of knocking an Iraqi detainee to the ground, repeatedly kicking him in the groin, abdomen and head, and encouraging her subordinates to do the same. A Staff Sergeant was found guilty of holding a detainee’s legs apart while other soldiers kicked him in the groin, abdomen and head. A third soldier was found guilty of violently twisting a detainee’s previously injured arm and causing him to scream in pain.

· A July 15, 2004 information paper on an incident involving two Iraqi men detained in Samarra. The men were driven to a bridge, where a platoon leader instructed three soldiers to push the detainees into the river. One of the Iraqi men could not swim and drowned. The other survived and reported the incident to different U.S. soldiers. The body was recovered by the family 12 days later and buried. One soldier indicated to investigators that the chain of command had instructed the soldiers not to cooperate with the investigation and to deny that they pushed the men into the river.

· A May 3, 2004 information paper describing the deaths of two Afghan detainees at Bagram, Afghanistan. One man died from an embolism that the medical examiner “attributed to blows that he received combined with immobility due to restraint.” The other died from aggravation or a coronary artery condition “brought on by complications that arose from blows that he received from the stress from being restrained in a standing position.” None of the soldiers had been formally charged as of the writing of this report.

To date, more than 35,000 pages of government documents have been released in response to the ACLU’s Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The ACLU has been posting these documents online at www.aclu.org/torturefoia.

The documents released this week are online at: http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/051805/.

Details about the Rumsfeld lawsuit are online at www.aclu.org/rumsfeld.

The FOIA lawsuit is being handled by Lawrence Lustberg and Megan Lewis of the New Jersey-based law firm Gibbons, Del Deo, Dolan, Griffinger & Vecchione, P.C. Other attorneys in the case are Jaffer, Amrit Singh, and Judy Rabinovitz of the ACLU; Arthur N. Eisenberg and Beth Haroules of the NYCLU; and Barbara Olshansky of the Center for Constitutional Rights.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:18 AM
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1. What the hell is wrong with our soldiers?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:20 AM
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3. Is it our soldiers?
When do the higher-ups start taking responsibility? My nephew was in Iraq for over a year and he saw things and did things he didn't want to do. Not to defend these type actions, but responsibility has to be appropriated.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:22 AM
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5. You always have a choice
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:24 AM
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8. One would think.
I have been in the Army myself, and although I never saw combat, I know what pressure these soldiers are under. Let's not shoot the messenger here. We still need a line of defense, although I prefer that line be drawn here on our home turf, not in some foreign country where we are occupying and being lied to.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:51 AM
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17. I have not been in that situation, but
I don't think people can conduct torture and not find it appalling. They have a choice to disobey orders and be court Martial, which in the end is tough, but in my opinion, a better choice.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:53 AM
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18. One more thing...
I feel guilty, and I should, for allowing this to happen in my name. That is why I fight so hard, because it makes me responsible to stand in silence.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:24 PM
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24. You have to first percieve that there are more than
one option to be able to choose.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:51 AM
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Yes it is!!!!
Pointing the finger at the chain of command doesn't relieve your nephew or any other soldier of responsibility. That was one of the lessons I learned when I was in the Army, "take resposibility for your own actions."

Not meaning any disrespect to your nephew, but by doing those things
that he didn't want to do just to fit in or be accepted, is not an excuse for his actions.

The Geneva Conventions exist for a reason, by allowing U.S. military
personnel to disregard the Conventions, and by those same troops going along to get along, the chain of command along with the troops
are in my opinion partially responsible for the fate that was suffered by SPC Maupin.

And when other US troops are caught, and they will be eventually, what was done to Iraqi prisoners will be remembered by the insurgents
who capture them, and they will act in accordance with the new rules
that have been accepted unofficially by the U.S. military and its personnel.

I was in Desert Storm, and while it was over quick, some things were done during the course of the air and ground attacks that were wrong,
but we treated the PW's within the guidelines of the Conventions.



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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:44 PM
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21. With all due respect...
...I didn't SAY he did anything that went against the Geneva Convention. He was part of a war that he didn't want to be in and that was my point. So please don't assume anything. Did you have to kill anyone in Desert Storm? If not, then you are one of the few lucky ones, and you can probably sleep better knowing that.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:22 AM
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7. I don't believe most of them advocate this crap
but the administration is FAR too tolerant of those who do.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:20 AM
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2. I this is true
we have become South America after all. I'm not talking our ecomony either.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:21 AM
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4. Watch the networks and cable channels stare off into space
Sure, piling on Newsweek for something that wasn't their fault was a lot of fun, compounded by Newsweek's craven, tucked-tail retraction of the story. But a real report, detailing war crimes and crimes against humanity? Never heard of it. Well, we aired a segment on it at 2 a.m., that should sufficiently cover it.

And the administration was totally outraged by that 20 second segment, and blamed the December tsunami in Asia on the report's airing, so the media will obediently clam up from now on about any violations of the law and international treaties, as it might cause another tsunami.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:24 AM
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9. So let me see if I get this right...
Electrocution=okay
Beatings (sometimes to death)=okay
Dig your own grave=okay
Starvation=okay
Rape=okay
Humiliation=okay
Exploitation=okay
Boiling=okay
... and so forth...

Flushing Q'uran, well our military has standards when it comes to respecting other faiths....huh? If you do not respect a huamn being, then why would you respect his/her faith?

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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:22 AM
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6. Spreadin' freedom and demockercy...just when it couldn't
seem to get any more shameful, there's always a new low.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:26 AM
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10. If true, conservatives would applaud this
because, when you think about it, it is the very model of efficiency, right?

:sarcasm:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:34 AM
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11. If these were American POWs, what do you think the reaction would be
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:37 AM
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12. Same as everything else. That's how I always frame it
Torture arabs, no one on the right cares.
Torture Americans, the right is livid.

Flush the Qur'an down the toliet, no one on the right cares.
Flush the Bible down the toilet, and the right is outraged.

I'm gessing it will be the same pattern.
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:11 PM
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20. Depends on how savvy the 'insurgents' are.
If they understand the power of the video image (and they seem to) they will stack our soldiers in naked pyramids and wire them up with a black tarp over them, doing their very best to exactly recreate the images from Abu Ghraib.

This will make it very difficult for the US to 'play the victim' (even though the POW's will truly be victims), because the images are so iconic (seriously, the poor guy with the hood and wires will be THE definitive image to come out of this occupation).

The right wing can spin till they fall over, but the message will be unmistakable; "PAYBACKS ARE HELL". Nowhere more so than there.

God help our future POW's.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:51 AM
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16. Remember when Iraq showed a couple of American prisoners on tv?
Our illustrious leadership was livid, said that even showing them was "humiliation" and we put Iraq on notice about how we expected the Geneva Convention to be upheld, blah, blah, blah.

Imagine our soldiers being murdered, raped, tortured, humiliated, their national and religious symbols disecrated..... the right would have called for nuclear annihilation of Iraq.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:47 PM
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22. Hell, some on the right have already been calling for that.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:42 AM
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13. Maybe, just maybe....
Our troops shouldn't be getting so much "support" from us back home?? Just sayin....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:46 AM
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15. It's the freakin' EVIL CRIMINAL neoCONs who brought this shit on!!!!
GAWD!!! Every single one of them should serve the rest of their lives in Abu Ghraib!!!!
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:56 AM
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19. The neoCONs only pointed the way
It's still the military that is pulling the triggers, dropping the bombs, and tortuirng, abusing, and mistreating prisoners.

And they will continue to do this, because they know that they will never be punished for their crimes, as long as everyone goes along
to get along.

The neoCONs lied, but once the lie was outted, and the U.S. military
kept following the garden path they were led down, the U.S. military
became accomplices in the crime as well.

Now they both share evenly in the guilt.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:48 PM
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27. Just, please, do NOT trivialize the neoCONs hand in all of this,...
,...to me! But for the neoCONs in power,...would this shit be happening?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:44 AM
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14. Ugh! This just makes me so goddamn sick!!!!
NOT IN MY NAME!!!

NOT IN MY NAME!!!

STOP THIS EVIL, CRIMINAL HORROR!!!

STOP IT!!!! STOP IT!!!!!
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:19 PM
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23. kick
and nominated
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:30 PM
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25. The Waffen-SS did that.
Now, Rummy's SSB is doing it, among others.

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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:45 PM
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26. how does our culture create them?
These people apparently are not aberrant brain damaged monsters, they have now become the norm. These are your neighbors, the kid at the supermarket, the girl next door. They are America, and that scares the hell out of me. I used to think something like the holocaust could never happen in this country. I don't believe that any more. I have no doubt, none, that if a Buchenwald was created 5 miles down the road to eliminate whatever group we scapegoated at the moment, America would do NOTHING to stop it. Nothing. My fellow countrymen, my neighbors, would just drive by, look another way, turn up the radio louder. THIS is what will destroy this country. Not terrorism, not the economy, not a nuclear attack. We are disintegrating from within.
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